ok, who votes tha waaagh stops plaing xwing so we don't have to deal with his crap anymore?

(raises hand)

Who said he even plays, all I ever saw was yah-yah-yah.

Stuff is just more expensive in the UK than the US across the board. Don't know why really. May be something to do with the fact we are a small island that doesn't make anything, so everything has to be imported. I find that I often buy things from the US when buying a lot and if the shipping isn't too expensive (like for singles orders of Magic cards).

X-wing is imported to the US from China though.

I get a discount at my local store so small ships usually cost about £10.50, stuff like shuttles about £22.

I *could* get them cheaper from places like 'the outpost' but i'd rather keep my local town store in business

But yeah we really get stung on ship prices compared to the US.

ok, who votes tha waaagh stops plaing xwing so we don't have to deal with his crap anymore?

(raises hand)

You are being just as bad as you seem to perceive him to be.

There is a history between some of us which predates your arrival into our fold...

Who said he even plays, all I ever saw was yah-yah-yah.

Let's be fair, I've never seen you play either. Just a bunch of smilies and some endangered species.

It is the EU vs OT war all over again.

At least now, the EU ship as a faction of their own that won't dilute the rebel and imperial faction too much. Imagine if instead of a scum faction, we had even more obscure rebel and imperial ship? Even fielding those 2 factions would not feel much like Star Wars.

It has already began: Field 2 E-Wing with a HWK 290 and ask anyone that doesn't know much about Star Wars except for the movies what universe it is.

$10 is about £6 so when we list prices because we pay so much more for stuff over here if a new thing is listed as $40 i fully expect it to be £40 in the UK.

seeing as a $10 ship costs me roughly £10 when it gets here.

I get a discount at my local store so small ships usually cost about £10.50, stuff like shuttles about £22.

I *could* get them cheaper from places like 'the outpost' but i'd rather keep my local town store in business

But yeah we really get stung on ship prices compared to the US.

Just looked at Outpost, it's more expensive than the price you've got. £10 £20 is still the best I've been able to find.

Been looking at the Decimator at that seems to be UK RRP £30, which is $50. Still getting shafted. Our discounts are US RRP...

I can tell. Can't you all just kiss and get it over with?

You first?

$10 is about £6 so when we list prices because we pay so much more for stuff over here if a new thing is listed as $40 i fully expect it to be £40 in the UK.

seeing as a $10 ship costs me roughly £10 when it gets here.

Even with import and other costs its still cheaper than GW, who make their stuff here in the UK.

Nobody's disputing FFG beats GW in every respect. It just sucks that everything's got a higher markup here. Then again, exchange rates are funny things: they represent the worth of your currency to foreigners rather than to you. It might be that, as a slice of our incomes, our prices are roughly equivalent to US ones. As in our stuff costs more but we get paid more but people want our money so the pound's stronger.

I can tell. Can't you all just kiss and get it over with?

Well I am a jolly fellow, and I tried to be cool with these rascals, and it went nowhere, so I am pretty much over it. I am here because I LOVE FFG's STAR WARS MINIATURES GAMES, and I like to chill with cool like minded people. Anything else is extra gravy (not bad), or a wast of my time (very bad).

As i've said a few times, i worked for GW HQ for some time, you dont want to *know* the mark up the customer pays.

As staff we got models at 'lead weight', which at the time was £27 per kg. 'lead' weight also applied to plastics.

I'd buy a new army every other lunch time... anyidea how many plastic sprues you can pile in a box and still not scratch 1kg?

My entire undead army cost me peanuts and at that time you could just go into mail order and pick what you wanted from bins.

weigh it and have the money deducted from your wages. Thing is though you cant eat lead and plastic (well not for long) so eventually everyone leaves to find a job where you dont get a tremendous discount on toys but you can afford to eat and go out with your mates

Well we know third party sellers buy stock at 60% off and i cant imagine GW are selling it to them at cost so yeah customers get massively ripped off and know it which is why people leave that area of the hobby.

A fair chunk of the production cost is the painting I'd bet. Plus if FFG uses decent plastic (still no idea what the ships are made of) that's fairly expensive. FFG's signed up to one of those manufacturing ethics coalitions too so the workers are being paid well and in decent conditions, which adds more to the production cost. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant chunk of the US RRP is manufacturing cost. Then there's paying the designers, it mounts up and I don't think FFG are being unreasonable with the price. If they were unpainted and the rules were about as balanced as a panther versus a Panther (guess who I'm talking about) then it would be.

As i've said a few times, i worked for GW HQ for some time, you dont want to *know* the mark up the customer pays.

As staff we got models at 'lead weight', which at the time was £27 per kg. 'lead' weight also applied to plastics.

I'd buy a new army every other lunch time... anyidea how many plastic sprues you can pile in a box and still not scratch 1kg?

My entire undead army cost me peanuts and at that time you could just go into mail order and pick what you wanted from bins.

weigh it and have the money deducted from your wages. Thing is though you cant eat lead and plastic (well not for long) so eventually everyone leaves to find a job where you dont get a tremendous discount on toys but you can afford to eat and go out with your mates

Did you sell off all those armies after you left (and thus no longer under whatever contract stopped you selling them on while you worked there)? Would have made a killing.

Well we know third party sellers buy stock at 60% off and i cant imagine GW are selling it to them at cost so yeah customers get massively ripped off and know it which is why people leave that area of the hobby.

I did not mind the cost ( in the 90's), it was the flippant way they would obsolete your armies every few years.

Well we know third party sellers buy stock at 60% off and i cant imagine GW are selling it to them at cost so yeah customers get massively ripped off and know it which is why people leave that area of the hobby.

I did not mind the cost ( in the 90's), it was the flippant way they would obsolete your armies every few years.

Well back then the game was still good, now your using skirmish rules for a large army and it does not work well at all games are 3-4 hours sometimes and whoever gets first turn tends to win, i just got so sick of it x-wing was a real breath of fresh air.

Did you sell off all those armies after you left (and thus no longer under whatever contract stopped you selling them on while you worked there)? Would have made a killing.

Therein lies a story.

When i left it was on reasonably good terms and with a very favourable payment and a minimal non disclosure/working for a competitor agreement (it was certainly less than 6 months).

I left with tons of armies, loads of unreleased and concept stuff, studio scenery, full scale marine helmets, a bren gun, loads of stuff that i'd either bought, had as management samples or been given.

I ebayed a load of it on leaving as i had no interest in GW games.. trust me ,work there for a few years it kills your interest in the GW universe... we all got a telling off once as we were all playing 'rapid fire' wwii tank games or battletech at lunch and it apparently 'looked bad'.

Anyway GW got ebay to pull all my auctions, i had a row with legal. I agreed to not sell anything that had been released while i was there.. then i got a friend to sell it for me instead.

Put it this way i had six unreleased dark elf assasins that went for around £100 each as the tip of the iceberg. I also had the original 'orgus flyer' from rogue trader and like i say life size museum props that i rescued from being binned.

I wont tell you how much i made selling it all but lets just say i didnt need to work for a year....

Well we know third party sellers buy stock at 60% off and i cant imagine GW are selling it to them at cost so yeah customers get massively ripped off and know it which is why people leave that area of the hobby.

I did not mind the cost ( in the 90's), it was the flippant way they would obsolete your armies every few years.

Well back then the game was still good, now your using skirmish rules for a large army and it does not work well at all games are 3-4 hours sometimes and whoever gets first turn tends to win, i just got so sick of it x-wing was a real breath of fresh air.

EXACTLY THIS. And this is why i say play skirmish dogfights with a skirmishh dogfight system rather than wanting to do fleet action with a ruleset not designed for it on other threads.

40k was designed from 2nd ed up for games of around 2000 points (give or take a thousand either way), people did these 15k mega battles and the mechanics broke down, it took too long, the averages didnt work and the force proportions got scewed and meant you ended up with very 'support heavy' armies.

Its why i'm an advocate of playing Armada for fleet action games and so pleased about S&V and really dont care that much about capital ships, while i own both huge ships the fact they had to half scale them to me proves they are really out of the scope of the game.

Posts like this are why women avoid hobby gaming, and I'm not kidding. You realize how blatantly sexist this is, right?

Are you talking to me?

I'm too scared to talk to women so I doubt that I've managed to make them not play x-wing.

No it is one of his know-it-all smarty jabs at me.

Yes, it was aimed at Joe Boss etc. It wasn't a know-it-all smarty jab, though: either you knew it was a sexist thing to say and said it anyway, or you didn't know. I made the more charitable assumption.

Did you sell off all those armies after you left (and thus no longer under whatever contract stopped you selling them on while you worked there)? Would have made a killing.

There was also a 'work around' selling stuff while you worked there. You either sold it via friends (everyone did) or you did what the 'eavy metal team occasionally did... you sold the 'paint job'. You listed it as pro painted and as you were selling the service not the actual item so to speak it used to slip by. Instant sacking thing though for leaking unreleased stuff.

I get a discount at my local store so small ships usually cost about £10.50, stuff like shuttles about £22.

I *could* get them cheaper from places like 'the outpost' but i'd rather keep my local town store in business

But yeah we really get stung on ship prices compared to the US.

Just looked at Outpost, it's more expensive than the price you've got. £10 £20 is still the best I've been able to find.

Been looking at the Decimator at that seems to be UK RRP £30, which is $50. Still getting shafted. Our discounts are US RRP...

You need to get your 10 per cent 'first order' bonus from out post and combine that with the current 10 per cent they have as a general sale (which happens occasionally).

On my first order from outpost for some stuff my local store could not stock, when it arrive it came with another 10 per cent off code.

So take 10 per cent off outpost prices, 20 per cent if you can wait til the right moment and i think its deffo cheapest in the UK

Well we know third party sellers buy stock at 60% off and i cant imagine GW are selling it to them at cost so yeah customers get massively ripped off and know it which is why people leave that area of the hobby.

I did not mind the cost ( in the 90's), it was the flippant way they would obsolete your armies every few years.

Well back then the game was still good, now your using skirmish rules for a large army and it does not work well at all games are 3-4 hours sometimes and whoever gets first turn tends to win, i just got so sick of it x-wing was a real breath of fresh air.

EXACTLY THIS. And this is why i say play skirmish dogfights with a skirmishh dogfight system rather than wanting to do fleet action with a ruleset not designed for it on other threads.

40k was designed from 2nd ed up for games of around 2000 points (give or take a thousand either way), people did these 15k mega battles and the mechanics broke down, it took too long, the averages didnt work and the force proportions got scewed and meant you ended up with very 'support heavy' armies.

Its why i'm an advocate of playing Armada for fleet action games and so pleased about S&V and really don't care that much about capital ships, while i own both huge ships the fact they had to half scale them to me proves they are really out of the scope of the game.

Join me as two nerds we'll rule this galaxy as two bitter sods stung by a poorly run games company!

So last weekend I was working my arse off to complete a job thanks to a pipeline screw up (Canada, I blame you). Come back from that to find out the super mega awesome reveal from Friday at GenCon was… pirates?

Uhm… sure. Okay. Whatever.

Am I the only one who just really couldn't give a ****? I mean Black Sun this and bounty hunter that… It's all a bunch of crap I never cared about. I know there's a sizable contingent of people who were positively certain that Imperials would get a Huge ship to the point of practically seeing a Thrawn card in their dreams. Am I the only one who feels that this was almost absurdly anti-climactic?

And on top of that, I can't help but think of other games I've played that started out with a design philosophy that got completely torpedoed by the game designers adding on additional expansions or factions or what have you. So far I think the incredible balance FFG's designers have struck was thanks in no small part to the fact that only two sides needed to be balanced against each other. Now we'll have a third group forcing the hands of the other two faction's abilities. No, I don't think the sky is falling, but I'm kinda thinking it looks a might cloudy.

I utterly disagree with everything you typed out, except that part about Canada. If it was not for RUSH and cool weather, they would be a eye sore. I mean they just stay up there to themselves and they are all healthy and happy... screw them!

Oh, that was a bit of a work thing. See, my shop handles a lot of types of printing but we also outsource a bit too. The client wanted these very specific bags, and the only place we could find to do them was in Canada. We sent them a PRINT READY file. All they had to do was print them. But some how they managed to screw that up by going in and editing something (dropping a letter from a web address). So once we got them back (already a day late) we found the error. We then had to strip the ink of the offending line off of all 1,000 of them, then line them up to the rest of the design and reprint the erroneous line.

It… was not fun.