Also, Scum and Villainy Epic ships....

you all need to block mister waaagh!

my life has become much better now that his comments just show up as blocked.

trust me you will thank yourself......

Yup... it is like cleaning house.

ok, for some reason my computer isn't copying the statement I want to counter, so......

for those who think scum and villainy have no place in fighting 2 military forces.......

rebels are wanted criminals, any crime organization will take a chance at capturing these rogues and turning them in, or they are fighting for the same contraband to sell on the black market that rebels want for their cause.

scum and villainy are mostly outlaws themselves, so being hunted by the empire or raiding empire convoys for spoils is totally reasonable. hell, even being hired by a rebel operative to hit a certain target to draw attention away from a rebel operation is within the realm of reason.

please don't try to reason against this, if you read any novels or comics, this is abundantly clear.

Pretty much how i see it.

Kath scarlet raids the empire for plunder... having her as an 'imperial' pilot made little sense, hence my pe wave reveal house rules for having z95s as her wingmen.

Likewise Boba Fett is trying to get solo for *jabba* long before vader wants him and is also offering a price.

Scum and Villainy have been part of the OT since Luke stepped into he Mos Eisly Cantina

TBH, Lagomorphia's 100% right. As fun as it was ribbing ol' GreenFace after his relentless trolling of 3rd faction threads, it's time to move on.

...and back to looking forward to Wave 6!

TBH, Lagomophia's 100% right. As fun as it was ribbing ol' GreenFace after his relentless trolling of 3rd faction threads, it's time to move on.

Uh, what? You have to stretch the truth pretty dang far to consider my opposition to a third faction "relentless trolling." If that's your excuse for acting as horribly as you have in this thread, it's an awfully flimsy one.

Also, Scum and Villainy Epic ships....

Hoo Hoo, Hurray, hurray, hurray!

Also, Scum and Villainy Epic ships....

Hoo Hoo, Hurray, hurray, hurray!

Hold on, hold on, hold on folks.

We haven't got our Imperial Epic ships yet.

Also, Scum and Villainy Epic ships....

Hoo Hoo, Hurray, hurray, hurray!

Hold on, hold on, hold on folks.

We haven't got our Imperial Epic ships yet.

WANT THEM ALL!!!

BUT... now that SCUM is in you know they will do them later on.

Sorry, but what you said did seem like trolling. It was very dismissive of everyone else.

I'm not saying Gecko is any better, he can be a right bereavement at times, I've noticed, but your post very constructive, and could have been construed as an attempt to start an argument.

Perhaps that's because people seem to associate themselves too closely with their toys. If I was being dismissive of anything, it was FFG's choice to satisfy one particular segment of the player base. Should I not post my opinions out of fear that people will be offended if I don't like the same things that they do?

To answer your other question, FFG could have done what I'd been advocating before the announcement: a separate game that can be played either independently, or with the current lineup. If the factions had been modularized, everyone could play the game exactly the way they want to - officially - without anyone being alienated by the experience. At any rate, the point is kind of moot now.

Also people that don't play GW games think your picture is a troll, which makes it worse. I figure having Starbuck as my picture might confuse people in to begin nice to me.

So... you are a guy pretending to be a girl who should of been a guy.

You so crazy...

the first scum epic that jumps out is the wild karde

ok, please for the love of all that is sane!!!!!

stop quoting waaagh!!!!

you make it so I can see his posts!!!!!

also, if anyone who has been on this forum for more than a week knows he is a troll in an ork disguise.

he ends up in an argument in almost every thread he is in and blames the other guy.

reality check:

when you always seem to be at the middle of an issue with several different people.......YOU are the issue!!!!

Knock Knock...

Oh sorry I thought this was going to be a different topic...

I'll let myself out.

This doesn't make any sense, I can;t see any technical difference over what you are saying, only semantic.

Alright, let me try to give you a clearer picture of what I'd envisioned. Star Wars means different things to different people. You can see that quite plainly just by browsing this forum; some people like the EU, some people are ambivalent, some people like certain parts of it but not others, so on and so forth. Then there's the prequel crowd, and to a much lesser extent the ground combat crowd as well. If we take a step back and look at the bigger picture, FFG will have not one but three miniatures games before the next several months are out. Even for the most devout of Star Wars fans, that's going to be pretty stressful on the wallet. More to the point, however, is the fact that FFG has clearly turned their attention toward the Star Wars miniature genre. If they'd wanted to, they could have put most of what people have been clamoring for under one umbrella. Start by establishing the overarching Star Wars: Miniatures theme, and then add in the individual elements separately. X-Wing over here under one label, pirates and gangsters over there, the prequel ships can get their own module, and perhaps even a ground combat game that ties in with the ships. All using the same flightpath system, all of them capable of being played as just their own game, or with any or all of the other elements as players see fit. Everyone gets exactly what they want, and nobody is alienated. Where we're at now, however, is a place where people either have to suck it up, ask their opponents not to field certain ships if they want the OT experience (who would be will within their right to refuse), or simply stop playing the game.

If you want my personal opinion, it really has less to do with being a conservative and more to do with the fact that the new ships just don't look Star Warsy. I could play any game that I want, miniature or otherwise, but I chose this one for a handful of very specific reasons. One of those reasons was because it captured the feel of those dogfights we all cherish from the OT. I've read a handful of the books, and played several of the games, so the ships that I might consider to be worthy of representation are a mixed bag, and I don't expect them to be shared by everyone. Suffice it to say, a big part of wave 6 just isn't Star Wars to me, and without that feeling I might as well go play Attack Wing.

I think it will add to the game, especially on the competitive scene. At the last tournament I attended, I faced practically the same list 3 times in a row...why, because right now you can build one list that will generally work against the other faction. Now, with a 3rd faction folks wI'll have to reconsider popular lists as the new faction will likely present new challenges.

I think it will be a nice addition.

Oh the tears they are so delicious more!

We went firmly into the eu when we got the mouldy crow then the defender and phantom, clearly the designers are fans of more than just the OT, appearances from galaxies really isn't that surprising.

S&V was the obvious next step they have two or three more ships for rebels and imperials, limiting themselves to two factions when there is a bigger setting made no sense from a business standpoint and clearly there are people who identify with the criminal element more than either military faction, I've been saying this since I joined the forums.

It's happening grousing about it won't make ffg cancel wave six so accept it.

So... you are a guy pretending to be a girl who should of been a guy.

You so crazy...

Maybe, but admit it, you are totally attracted to me right now.

I would blast a hundred dumb-ass-orcs, just to...

Uh... yeah I am kinda.

Sure!

I'll admit it.

This doesn't make any sense, I can;t see any technical difference over what you are saying, only semantic.

Alright, let me try to give you a clearer picture of what I'd envisioned. Star Wars means different things to different people. You can see that quite plainly just by browsing this forum; some people like the EU, some people are ambivalent, some people like certain parts of it but not others, so on and so forth. Then there's the prequel crowd, and to a much lesser extent the ground combat crowd as well. If we take a step back and look at the bigger picture, FFG will have not one but three miniatures games before the next several months are out. Even for the most devout of Star Wars fans, that's going to be pretty stressful on the wallet. More to the point, however, is the fact that FFG has clearly turned their attention toward the Star Wars miniature genre. If they'd wanted to, they could have put most of what people have been clamoring for under one umbrella. Start by establishing the overarching Star Wars: Miniatures theme, and then add in the individual elements separately. X-Wing over here under one label, pirates and gangsters over there, the prequel ships can get their own module, and perhaps even a ground combat game that ties in with the ships. All using the same flightpath system, all of them capable of being played as just their own game, or with any or all of the other elements as players see fit. Everyone gets exactly what they want, and nobody is alienated. Where we're at now, however, is a place where people either have to suck it up, ask their opponents not to field certain ships if they want the OT experience (who would be will within their right to refuse), or simply stop playing the game.

Note: Not trying to troll or harshly criticise; I just can't see how your suggestion is different from what we have already.

No way!!!!

I can not wait to get my hands on this new faction!!

CANNOT WAIT!!!!

ok, please for the love of all that is sane!!!!!stop quoting waaagh!!!!you make it so I can see his posts!!!!! also, if anyone who has been on this forum for more than a week knows he is a troll in an ork disguise. he ends up in an argument in almost every thread he is in and blames the other guy. reality check: when you always seem to be at the middle of an issue with several different people.......YOU are the issue!!!!

**** I wish I could like this post more!!!

But isn't that basically what we have already? I don't see how your suggestion would be any different. No one is forced to buy or play with the S&V ships. The game is about as modular as it can be; as in, no one ship is required. You're free to customise your force any way you like with whatever ships you like (within the factions of course). It is no way required that you buy anything from S&V in order to play the game. And if your argument is that you will end up having to play against people using S&V, how would your way be any different? Surely those same people would want to use the S&V 'module', so therefore you'd be in the exact same situation.

Note: Not trying to troll or harshly criticise; I just can't see how your suggestion is different from what we have already.

*sigh*

No, nobody is forcing me to play the game. But they are forcing me to interact with elements of the game that I'd rather not. Even if I choose not to purchase the new ships (and I won't even bother addressing the issue of missing out on certain upgrades), I can't realistically stop my opponents from fielding them.

Why all the doom and gloom before any product has been released? It's almost become predictable:

1. New product announcement

2. Hate, crying, animosity, doom, and gloom

3. Product release

4. Joy and excitement for this wave and the next

5. Repeat

No way!!!!

I can not wait to get my hands on this new faction!!

CANNOT WAIT!!!!

This week I added two craptastic Rebel HWK's to my list MM shopping cart, because soon they are gonna be Badass SCUM Dark Phoenix bringers of doom, and of course two more Firesprays, cause... NOW Boba Fett is a MF'n SLAYER Babies!

So your issue with the 3rd faction is that it doesn't adhere to your view of star wars. You don't want to play games against Scum faction because you want to play X-Wing vs Tie fighter?

Ok, that's fine. But there's no practical way what your saying could work and be any different to adding a 3rd faction expansion.

You would still have opponents saying "I would like to use the Scum module" and you would still have to refuse.

Not to mention the absolute cluster fudge trying to organise tournaments would bring. Would you expect people to run one x-wing vs tie tournaments? and then various different ones with different modules plugged in?

It's impractical, and it's not catering to a specific person, you still get all the ships you like, and I get the ones I like.

Game design about ground combat aside, I'm looking forward to Star Wars: Descent it appeals to me as I don't have the imagination for RPG's without miniature.

You make it sound like "Such-and-such LGS is having an X-Wing event @ 11:30 on February 30th" would be difficult to organize, or for people to wrap their minds around. If people want to play X-Wing, that's what you do. If people want to play the Scum and Villainy module, you just advertise for that. Or you just run Star Wars: Miniatures events, and people can bring everything they own. Seems pretty simple to me.

Why all the doom and gloom before any product has been released? It's almost become predictable:

1. New product announcement

2. Hate, crying, animosity, doom, and gloom

3. Product release

4. Joy and excitement for this wave and the next

5. Repeat

There is some of number 2, to a limited degree, but for the most part it's been nothing but rampant and one-sided belligerence on part of the people who wanted a third faction. Some of them, anyways. It appears to be all but impossible to remain opposed to the idea of a third faction without someone needlessly stirring up animosity out of thin air.

For me the think I don't like about it is that X-Wing thus far has been kind of like living card games in that you buy the core set and some expansions and you basically have a self contained game where someone comes over you bring out the ships you have (for both faction) form lists and play.

Now with a 3rd faction and a foreseeable expansion in that direction I doubt I will be able to maintain a self contained (complete) game. I think it will be too expensive to maintain 3 balanced factions, so I will be forced to choose which two to collect. Given that my collection is still pretty incomplete for the two factions, starting a third one is not something I plan to get into, not so much because I'm disappointed with it or anything but there is no point in buying 1 or 2 ships of a faction.. you either collect it all or not at all as far as I'm concerned. Given the price of miniatures while reasonably priced individually, as a worthy of play collection you have to get multiple copies of pretty much everything in a faction to have a proper set...

So that part is a bit disappointing. I would have rather see them support the game is less expensive ways. for example releasing new pilot cards for existing ships in confined decks to create more variety in your existing collection.

The total cost to invest in this game hasn't really changed, except that the Most Wanted pack is $40 instead of $20. If you were keeping up with releases already, this isn't going to hit you very hard; like Waves 1-4, it's just four new SKUs.

If you were a one-faction person before, then the game just got cheaper for you, because now there's going to be less Imperial or Rebel content for you to buy. The problem will be getting all the upgrades you want (or "need"), but if you're a staunch one-faction player then you're already used to dealing with that, and whatever solution you used before will continue to work.

I find myself at a crossroads now as some of the cards, droids, etc really help out the trusty ol' Xs, Ys, Bs, As, Ties, Interceptors, etc. Do I buy these new models, only to throw them away or watch them collect dust on the shelf? I understood that FFG has run out of OT material and let in some EU when we had 2 factions. But this new faction is entirely EU (excluding Boba Fett / Slave 1 of course).

This doesn't make any sense. You understand that they've run out of OT ships, so if they'd kept to the original two factions, every new release would have been EU. But now, with the new faction, every new release will be EU (except for the parts that aren't).

It seems to me that once they've exhausted the OT, an OT purist is done with the game regardless of how many factions are in the game going forward.

Eh. Some people want to play X-Wing Miniatures, and some people want to play Star Wars Galaxies Miniatures. It's just too bad FFG decided to cater to the latter. I wonder when they'll officially change the name.

As someone else noted upthread, there are exactly two ship releases from Galaxies. You could call it Shadows of the Empire Miniatures with as much justification.

In fact they've been pretty diverse in their EU sources, although they are skewed toward video games and comics--probably because it gives them concrete visual representations on which to base their modeling work.

you all need to block mister waaagh!

my life has become much better now that his comments just show up as blocked.

trust me you will thank yourself......

I appreciate the majority of his posts, and when I don't (like here), I'm perfectly willing to tell him so; I don't feel any need whatsoever to block him.

Also people that don't play GW games think your picture is a troll, which makes it worse. I figure having Starbuck as my picture might confuse people in to begin nice to me.

So... you are a guy pretending to be a girl who should of been a guy.

Posts like this are why women avoid hobby gaming, and I'm not kidding. You realize how blatantly sexist this is, right?