2 hours ago, All Shields Forward said:

Before you waste too much time, take a look at their "sources". Should show quickly how much bull they peddle as fact.

Oh no, I am well aware how important it is to source check and some of them are quite lacking. Lacking both actual sources in some instances, and sources that are lacking in anything but conjecture. However, it's still interesting to see because, it is what the right is being fed as fact and only by understanding that can we hope to debunk if it is untrue, and fight against it if necessary or just label the person as a crank if they are unable to see reason.

For example a flat earther will never have my time of day. It is pointless arguing that with me. The Earth is spherical and there is plenty of irrefutable evidence to support this compared to the countless and baseless conjecture spouted by a flat-earther.

The Green New Deal is another one I've been looking into, but I've not wanted to talk about it because while I believe I have a handle on it, no doubt there is some tiny thing I've missed that will be used to call my research into question and used to discredit what I say which tends to be how the internet works these days.

Also...we're on day 7 of the accusations of fraud and I am still hearing nothing concrete and recounting is going on. It's looking like no fraud happened and that means, the system works, and Trump is a egotistical moron who is simply refusing to acknowledge he lost.

Don't get me wrong. I think doing the check of the votes is perfectly and legitimately valid, it's not illegal to request an audit of the votes cast and check that the votes were legitimate and it should be welcomed as part of the democratic process...still not changing that he lost and will lose the 2020 election.

What's more, Trump supporters...how are you feeling? Still confident in your Presidents credibility over his accusations of voter fraud? It's day ****ing 7, we should have at least a morsel of proof by now. What if; god forbid of course , he lost legit?

20 hours ago, Npmartian said:

9 minutes ago, Ebak said:

Oh no, I am well aware how important it is to source check and some of them are quite lacking. Lacking both actual sources in some instances, and sources that are lacking in anything but conjecture. However, it's still interesting to see because, it is what the right is being fed as fact and only by understanding that can we hope to debunk if it is untrue, and fight against it if necessary or just label the person as a crank if they are unable to see reason.

For example a flat earther will never have my time of day. It is pointless arguing that with me. The Earth is spherical and there is plenty of irrefutable evidence to support this compared to the countless and baseless conjecture spouted by a flat-earther.

The Green New Deal is another one I've been looking into, but I've not wanted to talk about it because while I believe I have a handle on it, no doubt there is some tiny thing I've missed that will be used to call my research into question and used to discredit what I say which tends to be how the internet works these days.

Also...we're on day 7 of the accusations of fraud and I am still hearing nothing concrete and recounting is going on. It's looking like no fraud happened and that means, the system works, and Trump is a egotistical moron who is simply refusing to acknowledge he lost.

Don't get me wrong. I think doing the check of the votes is perfectly and legitimately valid, it's not illegal to request an audit of the votes cast and check that the votes were legitimate and it should be welcomed as part of the democratic process...still not changing that he lost and will lose the 2020 election.

What's more, Trump supporters...how are you feeling? Still confident in your Presidents credibility over his accusations of voter fraud? It's day ****ing 7, we should have at least a morsel of proof by now. What if; god forbid of course , he lost legit?

Did u see the works cited on the videos...? https://www.prageru.com/video/the-charlottesville-lie/ At least I have something back up by something besides just words and name-calling.

(My quotes are screwed)

4 hours ago, ImperialYeet said:

Did u see the works cited on the videos...? https://www.prageru.com/video/the-charlottesville-lie/ At least I have something back up by something besides just words and name-calling.

(My quotes are screwed)

You seriously consider PragerU a valid source? They're not even a real university for crying out loud. It's just some conservative dorks with funding to make faux information and serve it as propaganda.

1 hour ago, KCDodger said:

You seriously consider PragerU a valid source? They're not even a real university for crying out loud. It's just some conservative dorks with funding to make faux information and serve it as propaganda.

Remove Conservative and you've described every university in the US.

Prager U is biased but no more so that the typical Wapo article.

6 hours ago, Ebak said:

Don't get me wrong. I think doing the check of the votes is perfectly and legitimately valid, it's not illegal to request an audit of the votes cast and check that the votes were legitimate and it should be welcomed as part of the democratic process...still not changing that he lost and will lose the 2020 election.

What's more, Trump supporters...how are you feeling? Still confident in your Presidents credibility over his accusations of voter fraud? It's day ****ing 7, we should have at least a morsel of proof by now. What if; god forbid of course , he lost legit?

With info i am seeing, such as from blazetv (steven crowder and co) and newsmax, i am definitely seeing evidence of these frauds.. whether the hundreds of dead voters, or the whole issue with the dominion voting machines..

5 hours ago, ImperialYeet said:

Did u see the works cited on the videos...? https://www.prageru.com/video/the-charlottesville-lie/ At least I have something back up by something besides just words and name-calling.

(My quotes are screwed)

It does seem like some people, only get their info from one or two sources, and no where else..

23 minutes ago, McFoy said:

Remove Conservative and you've described every university in the US.

Prager U is biased but no more so that the typical Wapo article.

And at least they OWN their bias...

The same Steven Crowder that declared a reporter wheeling in camera gear in a red rider was a person wheeling in unsecured ballots?

That Steven Crowder?

*Or how about the witness for Project Veritas that admitted they made the voter fraud claim up?

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

With info i am seeing, such as from blazetv (steven crowder and co) and newsmax, i am definitely seeing evidence of these frauds.. whether the hundreds of dead voters, or the whole issue with the dominion voting machines..

It does seem like some people, only get their info from one or two sources, and no where else..

And at least they OWN their bias...

The only thing I am seeing on BlazeTV is talk about what they suspect happened and a lot of conjecture around what was happening. There is Democratic Rep Vernon Jones coming out and saying this whole think 'stinks of fraud' but it's hard to consider him credible when he, a man who defines himself as a " conservative Democrat" who pitched in his endorsement of Donald Trump and is a former member of the Republican party...yeah I'm gonna be a bit sus about his claims. Nevermind the fact he presents no tangible proof.

Granted, if the democrats have caused fraud, then it's right that it be found out. Until such time, they are only allegations and Trumps lawyers have not exactly been at their best in court. I was going to say honest however it's their honesty that actually cost them.

The Federal judge overseeing the case in Philadelphia asked if there were observers in the room from the campaign, the lawyer for the Trump campaign gave a bull**** answer of "There is a non-zero amount of people in the room". A statement that is factually correct (I mean, one person, regardless who they are, in the room makes it true...), but not what the judge asked. The judge asked specifically "I am asking you as a member of the bar of this court: are there people representing the Donald J Trump for president, representing the plaintiffs, in the room?" and the response was "Yes". The judges response: "Then what's the problem?"

So...Trump is saying they're observers aren't being allowed in, yet their lawyer avoided saying that until effectively threatened by the Judge. That is effectively the judge saying "Answer the question, and don't lie because if you EVER get found out BOY will you be in serious legal ****." It's quite frankly amazing that that judge was able to keep his temper knowing that a lawyer was trying to bull**** him.

Also, people want transparency in the process, if we did that we wouldn't need poll watches if you could just spectate the exact counting going on. Being a poll watcher (from my research) is actually something you have to apply for and there are rules and processes you have to abide by to be authorised to become a poll watcher, some states even have different rules and requirements. The way Trump made it sound at his rallies you can just turn up like security and wander in. That's not how it works from what I'm reading, yet people expected that, and then called foul when they were turned away.

As for those rules, inside the building, only the media may take pictures, no one else. Kind of makes it hard when you have a mob of people pressing their peepers, phones and cameras up against the window to enforce that. Thus, cover the **** windows, which they should have done from the very start. The problem is, people take that and immediately be like "OH IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" Also to answer your question, no, the fact they were outside doesn't change anything. A window is by its very nature transparent, making it no different to being inside visually and can't stop the snap snap of a camera.

There are checks and balances in these things. One of the reasons we don't do pure digital voting (something I was all for until I did some research and realised how VERY insecure it is) is because it presents a potential security risk and also is an audit nightmare. Physical ballots? Crack open those boxes and recount if you doubt the result, which is what is happening right now in a lot of states.

As for hundreds of people dead who voted. I believe you. I really do. We are in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern history, between 23rd October and 3rd November, 9584 people died and that's just of COVID-19. If those people had already submitted their ballots at any point before their death then they were exactly that. Dead. That's IS fraud, but it's not calculated and intended fraud. It's an unfortunate moment of timing and likely those votes would have been stricken assuming the death records were up to date, and while they are regularly purged, it may not be every day.

The problem is, people will instantly see 'dead people voted' and assume something nefarious. How dare those 9584+ die at an inconvenient time! Everyone knows, you submit your ballot and calmly wait to expire, keeping the grim reaper checking his clock until the end of the election. Would make everything a lot smoother, easier and result in a lot less conspiracy theory bait.

This is why I think this audit is good because it's proof that democracy works.

If there was some complicit, planned and intentional fraud found, it will be accounted for and the democrats held responsible (I would hope at least). Regardless, congratulations! The system works and has the necessary checks in place for fraud to not slip by.

However, likewise, if Trump's accusations amount to exactly that...accusations with no proof and all audits check out. Congratulations! The system still works! I'd hope that would be enough to satisfy every Trump supporter, but a worrying part of myself that doubts the entirety of humanity just makes me feel like they'll just pull back into the old "Oh, it was so masterfully done and all covered up" conspiracy theory.

Because god forbid anything is ever simple, there's always an irrationally complex explanation. Thus my question earlier? What if, he is found to have been blowing hot air about all this after all the investigations have concluded?

Edit: Incidentally. I am wondering how long this will go on for until its shut down by the mods. Given their usual response time I reckon it would be shut down by Thanksgiving...2022

10 hours ago, All Shields Forward said:

Or how about the witness for Project Veritas that admitted they made the voter fraud claim up?

He didn't admit that he made it up. The USPS inspector general who tried to bully him into saying that the he made it up, falsely reported to the media that he made it up.

Dennis Prager at PragerU has a video whining about being unable to say the n-word anymore. They have one video, on the Civil War, a long time ago that can be used to give them legitimacy (amazingly, it comes out and says that yes, slavery was the cause of the Civil War).

Project Veritas are scam artists. They lie. They have had one successful lie, against ACORN, that they keep attempting to repeat. But are constantly caught. I will constantly find it hilarious when the "law and order" crowd get into a hissy fit about the police doing what they do. ****, from what I've read, he was treated better than most, with them actually asking him if he wanted his lawyer. But then again, the postal worker would know better than most, you do not mess with the postal inspectors.

As for the claims of fraud, I encourage you to look at what all they are saying vs what they are actually filing in court. 2 very, very different stories. Which is why the courts are laughing as they are tossing their cases left and right.

I am so tired of a lot of this intellectual dishonesty. I grew out of of the "Nazi's were socialist", "Dems were Klansman" after highschool. Party names may not have changed. Idealogies, however, can. To ignore the shift in idealogies after the 60's is stupid. Never forget, Strom Thrumond changed parties.

12 hours ago, All Shields Forward said:

The same Steven Crowder that declared a reporter wheeling in camera gear in a red rider was a person wheeling in unsecured ballots?

That Steven Crowder?

*Or how about the witness for Project Veritas that admitted they made the voter fraud claim up?

The veritas video, i've not seen, so can't comment. BUT if its that postal worker who "Supposedly recanted", that has already gotten debunked.

As for what you think crowder did, i've not seen that.. YET. Emphasis on yet.

11 hours ago, Ebak said:

As for hundreds of people dead who voted. I believe you. I really do. We are in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern history, between 23rd October and 3rd November, 9584 people died and that's just of COVID-19. If those people had already submitted their ballots at any point before their death then they were exactly that. Dead. That's IS fraud, but it's not calculated and intended fraud. It's an unfortunate moment of timing and likely those votes would have been stricken assuming the death records were up to date, and while they are regularly purged, it may not be every day.

The problem is, people will instantly see 'dead people voted' and assume something nefarious. How dare those 9584+ die at an inconvenient time! Everyone knows, you submit your ballot and calmly wait to expire, keeping the grim reaper checking his clock until the end of the election. Would make everything a lot smoother, easier and result in a lot less conspiracy theory bait.[/quote]

Thing is, i've actually SEEN folks who've received ballots for their deceased family members, 3+ YEARS AFTer their death. **** one woman i worked with, her sister had to go to the election board SEVEN STRAIGHT years, with her hubby's death certificate, to KEEP REMOVING him from the voter rolls, cause the FOLLOWING years he kept appearing back on it..

And i've heard DOZENS UPON DOZENS Of other instances of it happening..

11 hours ago, Ebak said:

This is why I think this audit is good because it's proof that democracy works.

If there was some complicit, planned and intentional fraud found, it will be accounted for and the democrats held responsible (I would hope at least). Regardless, congratulations! The system works and has the necessary checks in place for fraud to not slip by.[/quote]

And i agree. This is why we need these things looked into. Such as that whole shebang with those Dominion counting machines...

11 hours ago, Ebak said:

However, likewise, if Trump's accusations amount to exactly that...accusations with no proof and all audits check out. Congratulations! The system still works! I'd hope that would be enough to satisfy every Trump supporter, but a worrying part of myself that doubts the entirety of humanity just makes me feel like they'll just pull back into the old "Oh, it was so masterfully done and all covered up" conspiracy theory.

And if it all does get investigated, and nothing's found wrong, THEN I WILL accept the results. BUT with how some of these judges (and reporters) seem to not even WANT checking being done, it makes me curious as to why.

You're full of lies, it's not been recanted. Guy lied, accept it. The recording the guy himself provided of his interview by authorities even backs that up.

"'I didn't specifically overhear the whole story. I just heard a part of it," Hopkins said in the recording. "And I could have missed a lot of it."

"My mind probably added the rest. I understand that," he said at another point, adding: "All it is is hearsay, and that's the worst part."

When an agent asked Hopkins in the recording if he would still swear to the affidavit's claim that the postmaster "was back-dating ballots," he replied: "At this point? No.'"

Also, why do the supposed dead voters keep turning out to be alive?

7 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

Also, why do the supposed dead voters keep turning out to be alive?

US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive - BBC News

For an in depth (and independent) view on the claim.

9 hours ago, LTuser said:

As for what you think crowder did, i've not seen that.. YET. Emphasis on yet.

It isn't "what I think Crowder did". It's the fact that he promoted a video as proof of voter fraud when it was just people moving camera gear.

https://www.insider.com/video-claiming-detroit-voter-fraud-actually-shows-photographer-camera-gear-2020-11

Seeing pictures of the march in DC - at a time when daily Covid infections are already threating to spiral out of control - is horrifying.

Any leader with any kind of decency would be telling people NOT to march, to keep distancing to protect themselves and others, not actively encouraging them before going for a round of golf.

12 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Seeing pictures of the march in DC - at a time when daily Covid infections are already threating to spiral out of control - is horrifying.

Any leader with any kind of decency would be telling people NOT to march, to keep distancing to protect themselves and others, not actively encouraging them before going for a round of golf.

To be fair, it has been shown that outdoor marches/rallies/protests have not been major outbreak sources.

2 hours ago, All Shields Forward said:

You're full of lies, it's not been recanted. Guy lied, accept it. The recording the guy himself provided of his interview by authorities even backs that up.

"'I didn't specifically overhear the whole story. I just heard a part of it," Hopkins said in the recording. "And I could have missed a lot of it."

So everything from conservatives, must be lies.. I take it you think everything from CNN or MSNBC must be the truth then?

12 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

To be fair, it has been shown that outdoor marches/rallies/protests have not been major outbreak sources.

Only if those 'protests' are antifa/blm riots... Remember how they kept saying trump rally's were superspreader events?

15 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

To be fair, it has been shown that outdoor marches/rallies/protests have not been major outbreak sources.

Even if that's the case, the rising daily statistics are scary enough without seeing thousands of people crowding together. Whatever the reason.

1 hour ago, LTuser said:

Only if those 'protests' are antifa/blm riots... Remember how they kept saying trump rally's were superspreader events?

Well, I can think of one thing that may have caused some slight differences in spread. But the Trump rallies also tend to be more enclosed, even in hangers. And again, lack something rather specific that you see rather commonly in the BLM protests. I think the only real events from Trump that have definitely been called super spreader events are his Tulsa rally, the Barret confirmation party, and the election night party.

On 11/9/2020 at 8:46 AM, Jo Jo said:

Like the Democrats did for 4 years? Heck, Hillary Clinton said last week on the NY Times Podcast: “I was the candidate that they basically stole an election from,".

Bit Hypocritical to just say accept the results and shut up. As close as the election was in some states, it would almost be negligence to not look into some of the results. Will they find enough evidence of fraud or manipulation to swing a state or three back? No, probably not.

Lordy. There’s no coming back from an alternate universe with this level of detail.

On 11/13/2020 at 11:03 AM, KCDodger said:

You seriously consider PragerU a valid source? They're not even a real university for crying out loud. It's just some conservative dorks with funding to make faux information and serve it as propaganda.

Yea PragerU is like Ken Ham/Kent Hovind-level crazy. They are decades behind on every topic. It’s like an SNL skit.

6 hours ago, LTuser said:

So everything from conservatives, must be lies.. I take it you think everything from CNN or MSNBC must be the truth then?

MSNBC and CNN are **** too. Try again.

Project Veritas is saying they recanted, but the interview they secretly recorded and released proves differently. They told investigators it was false but they have been telling their readers something else because they know they are too dim to check on their own.

19 hours ago, LTuser said:

So everything from conservatives, must be lies.. I take it you think everything from CNN or MSNBC must be the truth then?

Only if those 'protests' are antifa/blm riots... Remember how they kept saying trump rally's were superspreader events?

We wore masks at our rallies. Trumpets don't.

On 11/14/2020 at 7:44 AM, LTuser said:

Thing is, i've actually SEEN folks who've received ballots for their deceased family members, 3+ YEARS AFTer their death. **** one woman i worked with, her sister had to go to the election board SEVEN STRAIGHT years, with her hubby's death certificate, to KEEP REMOVING him from the voter rolls, cause the FOLLOWING years he kept appearing back on it..

And i've heard DOZENS UPON DOZENS Of other instances of it happening..

Unfortunately, people are incompetent, especially in government. Despite being diagnosed by the NHS as deaf in my left ear, it wasn't revealed until I was 17 that the government had no idea about this. Different story I know, but unfortunately, particularly in government administration screw ups happen which is actually found to be the result of deceased people being permitted to vote. The important thing is that they didn't vote. If they actually did submit a ballot then that's when things get fishy, unless as mentioned above their ballot was sent prior to their demise which you can check from post marking, at that point it's just a sad case of someone dying just before they can contribute to democracy.

I can believe your claims of dozens and dozens of other instances of it happening. However, you're not going to solve it. Even with this modern age, computer systems bug out, user error occurs, these things happen and has been happening for a long time. I sadly wasn't able to find the paper I read the other day but I was able to find this: https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The Truth About Voter Fraud.pdf

It has an entire section on deceased voters and the only statistic they present in a case where there was a 'substantial' amount of dead voters, the percentage rate would be 0.0027%. The rest had wild numbers claiming thousands of fraudulent ballots were cast, followed by an embarrassingly small number found after the investigation and most when investigated: "Journalists following up on seven cases found clerical errors and mistakes but no fraud, and no other evidence of fraud was reported"

That's what I think is laughable, people are saying that entire graveyards voted for Joe Biden and that's how he won. However the presidency wasn't decided on 0.0027 of voters, and the article I found before did have a higher number of around 0.003%. Granted the Coronavirus would result in that percentage being higher this year...by about a percentile. 9584, considering that it's across the whole US and I've not appropriately distributed them across the different states...we are talking maybe, MAYBE shoving that number up to 0.01% depending how things go.

On 11/14/2020 at 7:44 AM, LTuser said:

And i agree. This is why we need these things looked into. Such as that whole shebang with those Dominion counting machines...

So I did some looking into that and from what I found it was a hoax instigated by QAnon that was then picked up by One America News Network, where it was then tweeted about by President Donald Trump, and of course once the President tweets it, it turns baseless conjecture with no evidence into fact...

I could find no definitive citation beyond One America News Network for their source of the information, I think it's worth mentioning that because....you kinda should say where you got this information from when reporting on it.

Moreover, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency has stated that this election was the most secure in US history. Let's not forget, the persons signature on the bill to create that wing of the government is one Donald J. Trump. The very wing of the government, he helped set up, it calling bull**** on what he is saying.

Now, that's not to say that voting machines are themselves problematic. However, Dominion themselves did say after Trump claimed that 941,000 votes for him were changed to Biden, that it was completely false. Simply the number don't add up. They supply machines to only 14 counties in Pennsylvania, and that accounts to 1.3 million votes. 676,000 + went to Trump which was 52% of their votes. The remaining went to Biden. A big difference from 941,000. That being said I would not trust Dominion or voter machine manufacturers anyway. They tend to not like it when you probe into their machines to the point academics who have wanted to test how secure voted machines are in general have been stonewalled by most voter machine manufacturers.

Despite that, this is the reason you don't just destroy vote slips before a recount can be made, despite what the machine says, you can always audit the result with a recount, which I believe is what is or has been done? I honestly can't keep track.

On 11/14/2020 at 7:44 AM, LTuser said:

And if it all does get investigated, and nothing's found wrong, THEN I WILL accept the results. BUT with how some of these judges (and reporters) seem to not even WANT checking being done, it makes me curious as to why.

Oh god, you're proving my point here. "What are they trying to hide?"

For start, I can understand the very notion of not wanting to humor the President shall we say. For as much as checking the ballots is good for democracy, let's not forget: It was the Presidents own accusations that put doubt on that democratic process in the first place requiring the need to check the ballots, merely because he lost and his ego can't take that.

It was a textbook move that quite a few people predicted almost exactly how it would go down:

1. Discredit mail in ballots, calling them 'rife' with voter fraud.
2. Tell people to go watch the polls but neglect to inform them on the proper procedure for becoming a poll watcher and how you can't just turn up on the day to observe the count.
3. Encourage supporters to vote in person to provide immediate results
4. Make statements how it 'must be decided on election night' despite that being literally impossible because counting goes on for days before a clear winner is decided officially.
5. Encourage Republican states to not allow the counting of mail in ballots to start early.
6. On election night: Trump is ahead, surprise surprise.
7. "Th-th-th-That's all Folks! I'm the president for another term. I won, you can stop counting now as its the end of election night.......what do you mean they have to count every vote?"

The President, like a cutthroat businessman, tried to pull a fast one, and is now playing the victim to get sympathy from his supporters. It was what a lot of people would call a **** move.

That is why the above concerns me because I know there will be people who won't accept the results of an investigation anyway and will just blindly continue to believe that Donald Trump isn't anything more than a egotistical bully who's very tenure of president in my opinion can be summed up as "let me just throw my massive **** around because I have true power now and can shove people who AREN'T my employees around, which apparently includes the President of Montenegro." However that's getting into my personal feelings regarding Trump.

As for Judges throwing out cases. As legal eagle (check out his channel, very interesting to see things from a lawyer perspective) puts it "You can sue anyone for anything at any time for any reason in America, but those claims need to have a legal basis and eventually you'll need to provide evidence, otherwise those lawsuits will be thrown out."

If the Judges are throwing out those cases, then from what he's said they are looking at the evidence being submitted by the plaintiff and deciding either "Where is your evidence, please submit your evidence or I am throwing this out." or "I'm looking at this evidence and it's not enough to hold water as a legal case." A lot of the instances of cases being thrown out is when there's an affidavid claiming someone saw something but that person is unable to provide tangible evidence of what they are claiming, and unfortunately in a legal case if your only evidence is "I am saying this happened" is very difficult to uphold in court and prove or even disprove. If there was supporting evidence then it would have likely been accepted.

In my opinion, all that is going on is nothing shy of political theatre. It is a way for Trump to keep his supporters angry and upset and thinking about him rather than moving on to the next term of presidency. It's also why I think a majority of Republicans aren't speaking out against him. Those that are towing the line are hoping to inherit the supporters when it comes to their election campaign next time. There is no way it can be overturned at this stage.

14 hours ago, KCDodger said:

We wore masks at our rallies. Trumpets don't.

This is what i don't get.. Liberals call us trump supporters 'trumpettes and the like', yet seem to think WE conservatives "NEED TO BE MORE TOLERANT" to them?? Sorry, but where is THEIR tolerance??

Add to that i've seen comments from folk, even OVER on sites like newsmax, and fox, saying "once biden gets inaugurated, we need lists of trump supporters, so all businesses that hire them/employ them, can be targeted and told "DON'T keep these folks hired, or else"... Or others suggesting, having "Truth and reconsilliation" like commissions....

It honestly seems, from some liberals, Tolerance is a one way street.

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

Unfortunately, people are incompetent, especially in government. Despite being diagnosed by the NHS as deaf in my left ear, it wasn't revealed until I was 17 that the government had no idea about this. Different story I know, but unfortunately, particularly in government administration screw ups happen which is actually found to be the result of deceased people being permitted to vote. The important thing is that they didn't vote. If they actually did submit a ballot then that's when things get fishy, unless as mentioned above their ballot was sent prior to their demise which you can check from post marking, at that point it's just a sad case of someone dying just before they can contribute to democracy.

I can believe your claims of dozens and dozens of other instances of it happening. However, you're not going to solve it. Even with this modern age, computer systems bug out, user error occurs, these things happen and has been happening for a long time.

And that's one thing that made me instantly NOT trust mass mail in voting from the get go.. IF WE CONTINUALLY See frak-ups in government, whether it was stimulus checks being mailed to the dead (or those in prison), or folks still getting their SS checks, mailed to family/deposited into families banks, years after they've reported them dead (and had paperwork to prove it), HOW IS IT many in the media, seemed to instantly jump on the "THEY ARE SECURE, stop saying otherwise", when trump said it "COULD lead to fraud"...??

If you're having such incompetence in one branch/area, HOW IS IT hard to see that there could also be the same ineptness in others??

Additionally, since we've heard of instances in the past of "irregularities" in vote counts in some of these states, in the past, if they keep happening, year after year, doesn't that seem to indicate that those Running the show are inept?? (emphasis on if)

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

That's what I think is laughable, people are saying that entire graveyards voted for Joe Biden and that's how he won. However the presidency wasn't decided on 0.0027 of voters, and the article I found before did have a higher number of around 0.003%. Granted the Coronavirus would result in that percentage being higher this year...by about a percentile. 9584, considering that it's across the whole US and I've not appropriately distributed them across the different states...we are talking maybe, MAYBE shoving that number up to 0.01% depending how things go.

Yea, i have heard folk make those bogus claims before. No one's going into grave yards and picking names off headstones to register... Or at least i certainly HOPE Not...

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

So I did some looking into that and from what I found it was a hoax instigated by QAnon that was then picked up by One America News Network, where it was then tweeted about by President Donald Trump, and of course once the President tweets it, it turns baseless conjecture with no evidence into fact...

I could find no definitive citation beyond One America News Network for their source of the information, I think it's worth mentioning that because....you kinda should say where you got this information from when reporting on it.

Well, looking it up, i find 3 sights that seem to corroborate issues.. several that don't.

here's the three i was on about.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/in_30_states_a_computer_system_known_to_be_defective_is_tallying_votes.html

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/11/07/dominion-the-glitchy-voting-system-thats-causing-problems-in-key-swing-states/

https://www.wnd.com/2020/11/dominion-voting-systems-tied-clintons-pelosi-widely-used-battleground-states/

Now i've seen stories on WND before, and they look very sketchy (poss conspiracy level), but 21st century and american thinker, i feel are reliable..

Then there was this from NBC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

Now, that's not to say that voting machines are themselves problematic. However, Dominion themselves did say after Trump claimed that 941,000 votes for him were changed to Biden, that it was completely false. Simply the number don't add up. They supply machines to only 14 counties in Pennsylvania, and that accounts to 1.3 million votes. 676,000 + went to Trump which was 52% of their votes. The remaining went to Biden. A big difference from 941,000. That being said I would not trust Dominion or voter machine manufacturers anyway. They tend to not like it when you probe into their machines to the point academics who have wanted to test how secure voted machines are in general have been stonewalled by most voter machine manufacturers.

Hence why i would love to know, what election officials said "SURE lets use these guys"...

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

In my opinion, all that is going on is nothing shy of political theatre. It is a way for Trump to keep his supporters angry and upset and thinking about him rather than moving on to the next term of presidency. It's also why I think a majority of Republicans aren't speaking out against him. Those that are towing the line are hoping to inherit the supporters when it comes to their election campaign next time. There is no way it can be overturned at this stage.

Is it any different though, than the repeated attacks based on lies (russiagate etc) trump's had to endure From the dems though?

Tolerance isn't ignoring Conservative's attack on women's rights, LGBTQ rights, four years of spreading racism and antisemitism, and constantly attacking the foundation of Democracy. Tolerance is not hating women, non white people, LGBTQ, and Jewish people for simply existing.