37 minutes ago, bllaw said:

Yahweh is all powerful and Satan has no power over Him and he knows this.

So then it's Yahweh giving kids bone cancer and HIV.

8 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

So then it's Yahweh giving kids bone cancer and HIV.

1) HIV is from the parents mistakes

2) The ways of God are not for us to understand

4 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

1) HIV is from the parents mistakes

2) The ways of God are not for us to understand

All he has to do is not give kids HIV. He's god, he supposedly has that power. This is the false god you say all morality comes from? Don't make me laugh.

The truth is Yahweh lives in fear of man. He knows that in Eden resides the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. He fears us and the power we gained from the tree of knowledge. He fears what we will be if we also eat from the tree of life.

1 minute ago, All Shields Forward said:

The truth is Yahweh lives in fear of man. He knows that in Eden resides the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. He fears us and the power we gained from the tree of knowledge. He fears what we will be if we also eat from the tree of life.

He does fear- us trapped in this life of sorrow forever, never able to go to heaven.

Just now, Bravo Null said:

He does fear- us trapped in this life of sorrow forever, never able to go to heaven.

He fears us because we can exceed him

16 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

So then it's Yahweh giving kids bone cancer and HIV.

No I clearly stated that it is our own fault. Yahweh set the terms and we disobeyed them so we receive the punishment.

1 minute ago, All Shields Forward said:

All he has to do is not give kids HIV. He's god, he supposedly has that power. This is the false god you say all morality comes from? Don't make me laugh.

The truth is Yahweh lives in fear of man. He knows that in Eden resides the tree of knowledge and the tree of life. He fears us and the power we gained from the tree of knowledge. He fears what we will be if we also eat from the tree of life.

He does have that power but we disobeyed Him and brought punishment and HIV on ourselves. We are flawed humans. And if an eternal outlook is taken, then HIV and bone cancer don't matter in the least since they last for an infinitely small period of time in comparison to eternity.

What power did we gain from the tree of knowledge? All we gained was death. Ignorance of what sin is is most definitely bliss so the human race had it off much better before the fruit was eaten so why would God fear us? He is an all powerful God and we are to fear him not the other way since we have no power ourselves

3 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

He fears us because we can exceed him

He created us and he lives eternally. We live a short time and die. How could we exceed him?

1 hour ago, ImperialYeet said:

From what I know, they must die heroically in battle with a weapon.

Well, you aren't Asatru. There is more nuance to it.

6 minutes ago, bllaw said:

He created us and he lives eternally. We live a short time and die. How could we exceed him?

Eating from the tree of life would make us gods ourselves

1 minute ago, All Shields Forward said:

Eating from the tree of life would make us gods ourselves

Incorrect. We would simply not die.

Just now, All Shields Forward said:

Eating from the tree of life would make us gods ourselves

Do you feel like a god? Does it seem like everyone on this world is a god? If we were all gods, why would we war over petty things such as land and power? We have not exceeded God in anyway at all and have no real power

It was Satan who said that eating the fruit would make Eve like God. Satan is the prince of lies so of course, this was just a lie

16 minutes ago, bllaw said:

Do you feel like a god? Does it seem like everyone on this world is a god? If we were all gods, why would we war over petty things such as land and power? We have not exceeded God in anyway at all and have no real power

Have you read the Bible? God orders war and genocide

2 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

Have you read the Bible? God orders war and genocide

In the Old Testament, AKA Law. The New Testament is about the redemption, Gospel.

35 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

1) HIV is from the parents mistakes

This is easily the most appalling thing written in this thread and it says sooooooo much about the people that go along with this cult.

There is zero point me going into why, because you won't listen. But as brief summary for anyone else who might not be so colossally brainwashed,

a) Even assuming that statement were true, why should children suffer for the actions of their parents? How is that in any way fair or justifiable?

b) It says so much about you that believe HIV only affects those that 'make mistakes', that they must have done something to deserve it. You know that a person could be doing everything 'right' by Christian standards (e.g only having sex within marriage) and still catch HIV from a partner that was cheating, right? You know that accidents happen with medical equipment, with blood transfusions.... that there are hundred other ways it could happen? And that's just the potential mother themselves. See point a for the rest.

c) Also incredibly telling that you only addressed the one you had even a sh***y answer for and completely ignored the other condition that has no means by which you could possibly blame someone else attached to it.

This thread is garbage, by the way. It was supposed to be political news about the election. But such is the absolute state of American politics that some of you can't keep your cult out of it and now we have this.

I've only continued following along so I could point and laugh, but I couldn't let such a vindictive, ignorant comment stand.

The religion of love. What a f***ing joke.

1 minute ago, All Shields Forward said:

Have you read the Bible? God orders war and genocide

I have actually. The wars God orders are holy wars, purging terrible pagans living in Canaan which are nothing like many more modern wars. Also that was the old testament its different from the new testament. Eating from the tree did not make us Gods, it made us LIKE God in the sense that we know good from evil but that's it. That does not make God fear us. But, hypothetically, if it DID make God fear us humans for whatever reason, why would he send us Jesus Christ, His son, as a way for us to spend eternity with him in Heaven? Why would he still love us that much? It doesnt add up

1 minute ago, GuacCousteau said:

47 minutes ago, ImperialYeet said:

1) HIV is from the parents mistakes

This is easily the most appalling thing written in this thread and it says sooooooo much about the people that go along with this cult.

I couldn't agree with you more and I couldn't disagree with ImperialYeet more on this. He's clearly confused on this topic and do not take what he says as a representation of what Christianity is at all.

17 minutes ago, Bravo Null said:

In the Old Testament, AKA Law. The New Testament is about the redemption, Gospel.

Jesus came not to change the law but to fulfill prophecy. It's literally what Jesus said.

Read the bible

16 minutes ago, bllaw said:

I have actually. The wars God orders are holy wars, purging terrible pagans living in Canaan which are nothing like many more modern wars. Also that was the old testament its different from the new testament. Eating from the tree did not make us Gods, it made us LIKE God in the sense that we know good from evil but that's it. That does not make God fear us. But, hypothetically, if it DID make God fear us humans for whatever reason, why would he send us Jesus Christ, His son, as a way for us to spend eternity with him in Heaven? Why would he still love us that much? It doesnt add up

It's because your Bible is a modern fake. Old Christianity was polytheistic and explained the god that made us isnt the same god that sent Jesus.

3 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

Jesus came not to change the law but to fulfill prophecy. It's literally what Jesus said.

Read the bible

While Jesus did not change what the law said, He did bring about a new message along with it. The entirety of the sermon on the mount is evidence of this (Matthew 5-7). Jesus is continually raising the bar and this is the message he brought to the earth.

5 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

It's because your Bible is a modern fake. Old Christianity was polytheistic and explained the god that made us isnt the same god that sent Jesus.

I'm sorry I have no idea what you're talking about could you explain? They're both the same God and there is only one God.

53 minutes ago, bllaw said:

I'm sorry I have no idea what you're talking about could you explain? They're both the same God and there is only one God.

El and Yahweh are not the same god. Yahweh is closer to the ancient's war god.

Well now.

Personification of God leads to all sorts of missteps. I think it's a pretty childish view, if I'm being mean. The Disney God.

I believe in God, because I believe that the concept refers to everything that exists and everything that gave rise to existence, as a unified whole. Since existence clearly exists, and since everything that exists is obviously part of an interconnected system that can, from an assumed perspective, be viewed as a whole unit, God clearly exists. Because everything exists and that's what God is. All of it, as one, .....with a will and intelligence.

Except there is no outside to observe from. Because if there was, you'd say well, God and Heaven are there.

But then there'd be a connection from there, to what is here, and therefore it's still an interconnected, inter-dependant whole system.

There is no point at which you can create a separation, with logic. It's thought, and conceptualization, that creates the separation.

You can use words other than God to help process this, depending on your view. Universe, Reality, etc....

Clearly, if this whole bauble has a unified will and intelligence, it's about as far from human understanding as it can be. Personifying it is daft. I doubt it has a separate sense of self and thinks thoughts like John Smith is bad, he can go to H***

What it thinks, is me, and you, and everything else. And it doesn't think it, it just does it. Because it's perfect and doesn't need to think, to categorise, to define. It just IS everything.

I imagine God is just continuously droning OM and letting stuff happen to him/in him/of him Because, I believe it's said, the whole point of creating everything was so that everything could exist and just do it's thing.

Like, for fun. As long as it's fun for everything.

What I take to be the Fall, is the development of self awareness, and the evolution of that self into a disconnected, independent entity. Clearly, this means you've stepped out of perfect synchronicity with God, since you now view yourself as separate and can make any old s**t up, creating conflicts with other elements of the whole, and so on.

Creating not fun for everything.

Your independent, separate self is the main player in the false idol game.

How we return to God, the Universe, Reality, whatever, and enter the kingdom of heaven, is to realise the separate self is a construct. A conceptualization. That we are in fact, part of a vast interconnected, wholly inter-dependant system, no element of which is separate from another. Basically, to learn how we can act in perfect harmony with ALL that exists around us, without reference to the self, it's attachments and aversions.

Its not simple, modern society worships the self. But you can begin by realising that the self is a tool for interaction with others. When you see that, it kinda stops you spending hours polishing it, gazing at it and adding all sorts of non-essential bells and whistles to it.

It becomes a useful tool, rather than object of reverance.

Its honestly surprising how much more alive and full things are when you aren't continuously measuring them up to your own preconceived ideas, desires and expectations.

Its almost.... heavenly.

Treating everything as holy, acting with love and non-judgement towards every tiny speck of creation, throwing off the delusion of an independent, singularly serving self, is basically the entire message.

Be fully present. Be a part if it.

Meditation really helps with being fully present btw. It's a prayer-like state, so religion/belief is no barrier.

Even Atheists can pray.

Handily, this all works great for bringing heaven to Earth and I reckon if every single living being managed to achieve non-judgmental, selfless awareness, then boom, rapture, heaven on Earth. As promised.

Life after death is another thing that leads to missteps. The assumption being that your self just passes over and carries on as it was.

Life gives rise to more life. The life that you hold does not belong to your self. Life is a thing that passes from one, to another, it transforms and it continues. After your death, there will be more life, which grows from the life that you lived.

But it doesn't belong to the self and the body that you have constructed and vaguely maintained. Neither have the capacity to hold on to it, or to live a different life to the one you have.

So, logic. I believe in life after death, but I do not believe in the life of Cuz05 after death. My life will pass to whatever I have created with my life and the things that interacted with it. And so I will live on in some fashion. Because I did good, cool things that rubbed off on the world and they'll just naturally echo, rather than left to eternal death, after falling on deaf ears.

And no, I'm not talking about my painted mini's.

Ideas, feelings, concepts, ways of conducting oneself as a human being.

At some point, generations hence, a life may emerge that is very much like my own. I may have sown the seed for that life. Or reinforced, or positively transformed, the archetype.

Life after death is not a cop out of this life, nor a threat of punishment or offer of reward. It's a statement of fact. Live well, the life that grows from this one will benefit. Everything will benefit.

A life lived like crap is A) It's own punishment and B) Sows seeds of suffering for everything that is connected to it.

God/universe/reality/existence just kinda works that way, because it can't work any other way. Any other way would be static, or Chaos, not a continuous systematic transformation that gives rise to complex life. And existence is blatantly transforming continuously.

So its all really simple. You are one with everything. Everything is called God, if you want. Treat all things as holy and put nothing of yourself above anything of everything else. Go in peace.

If everybody just does that, it's sweet. Best thing about it, it's self evident and requires no system of belief. It just requires you to live life selflessly, stop making judgements and stop acting as if you somehow have more value than the thing next to you. Or that you, yourself, know things that are undeniable fact, things that are in opposition, and in conflict with, other aspects of God, (all of existence, remember).

And the best thing, none of it really matters more than anything else. We have a life, if we live it well, it is it's own reward. If we live it in a fashion that makes all the lives that touch ours worth living too, then by jingo, we've cracked it. Then we can all just have fun forever, because why would we want to do anything else?

Universe would presumably be super happy with that. Because it helps us along that way. The path of least resistance is a thing. A rule. Conflict naturally dwindles and resolves if energy is not poured into its maintenance.

I mean, all this religious stuff is just allegorical tales that are intended to teach the ignorant how life is just naturally well lived. Because somehow we forgot how to do that when we started thinking about ourselves.

When we bit that Apple.

But by God, people, y'all have to realise that everything exists in this same place. You can't go choosing for some things to be in another place, there aren't any other places. If one thing suffers, it's here and it gets shared.

And I absolutely, categorically refute that life on Earth = suffering. Life lived in devotion to the self = suffering, because that's a life lived in the mind, not on Earth. That's a pretty plain message from all sorts of religions and philosophies.

All of which do say basically the same things.

You just have to look out for the bits that unwise men put in to protect their holdings.

Here's the kicker, if you're of a religious persuasion. Do you worship, or believe in, the idea of God, as defined by your own thoughts, as a separate, all powerful parental figure that stands outside of our senses? As represented by a book?

Because that's a false idol, my friend. Your actual God is here, in all of it, everywhere, in the actually fully realised present. You're told to place yourself in awe of all this. All. Of. It. And you're told to be a continuous, harmonious part of him.

Every time you look away, think and form a judgement, you're ignoring him in favour of yourself.

If, however, your belief, your ideas, help you be that fully realised, harmonious part, then that's right on. Stay in the zone.

27 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

El and Yahweh are not the same god. Yahweh is closer to the ancient's war god.

I'm sorry but that video proved literally nothing. The Israelites lived in a Polytheistic world so there were traces of Polytheism in their culture and that's that. The bible agrees in some places with other religions texts because they were all made in the same world with the same creation so of course they're similar but they're not copying each other. There was never a change of God's the Israelites always worshiped the same God. That video does not line up at all with innumerable other sources on the chronological order of the writing of the bible.

24 minutes ago, bllaw said:

I'm sorry but that video proved literally nothing. The Israelites lived in a Polytheistic world so there were traces of Polytheism in their culture and that's that. The bible agrees in some places with other religions texts because they were all made in the same world with the same creation so of course they're similar but they're not copying each other. There was never a change of God's the Israelites always worshiped the same God. That video does not line up at all with innumerable other sources on the chronological order of the writing of the bible.

Fact don't care about your feelings. The archeological evidence is older than the false books that removed the polytheistic origin.

Yahweh was a god of war in the House of El that early Israelites worshipped amongst other Canaanite gods. Yahweh was not the creator. El was.