What if there is no night kill and this is a plauge game?

If Scum manage to infect everyone's intel before we root them out, they win. They "killed" me and... did something to Ebon? Or they just blocked me and "killed" him?

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

Agree.

Forty said intel was NOT infiltrated

However, roleblock is still an option, also is a recruit. Afterall we did have no kill, knowing I wasn't that would point to biggs firmly. Else we have a doc who targeted me or biggs, but then I'm reluctant as all this info is out in the open it's easy for cult to fake claim

Forty said a specific un-named player’s intel was not infiltrated, not that no intel was infiltrated.

I’m still not sure how much this information can be trusted, but given our current concerns about cult I’m also worried this is the only phase we can make use of it.

The information I got last night was that Biggs is town. I don’t know if I was infiltrated, and if this is a cult game I don’t know what the order of operations would be. I’m concerned this is going to become a Biggs vs Ebon clash as time winds down given the information about scum visits, and I think we need as clear a picture as we can get.

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

Forty said a specific un-named player’s intel was not infiltrated, not that no intel was infiltrated.

I know, just saying one doens't imply the other, although it does lean that way

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

The information I got last night was that Biggs is town. I don’t know if I was infiltrated, and if this is a cult game I don’t know what the order of operations would be. I’m concerned this is going to become a Biggs vs Ebon clash as time winds down given the information about scum visits, and I think we need as clear a picture as we can get.

interesting, but counter point if you're a cult leader biggs was pushing you yesterday and is anyway a good recruit... makes sense as you 2 are in the 4 unknowns

2 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

If scum visited you then you're as likely to be converted as me Ebon.

Even though it's just my word, to my knowledge I'm still town

6 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

interesting, but counter point if you're a cult leader biggs was pushing you yesterday and is anyway a good recruit... makes sense as you 2 are in the 4 unknowns

I’m not tho, and my comment when Cal pushed me should make it clear to town that I’m doing my level best to find scum.

21 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I’m not tho, and my comment when Cal pushed me should make it clear to town that I’m doing my level best to find scum.

I believe biggs and I are a good punt today, it solves some of the analysts night actions, gives us a trust baseline. Also biggs play D1 re Analysts seems odd.

All very interesting.

I wonder if scum have the ability to block intel entirely (Biggs) or manipulate the data a player receives?

Will review the intel again later, but assuming two scum, are our best odds of hitting scum going off wagon?

9 hours ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Was this information given to you without you asking for it, or did you ask for this information?

The "not sure from who" part seems like an odd detail.

I'm not ready to reveal the nature of how I know this, but I assume if this came from someone then they can probably verify the claim

8 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Was I sent here by the Devil? No good sir, I’m on the level.

We shall see good sir

4 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

If Cal is correct we have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum by going for non-Cal non-voters from day 1.

Yeah, I think that's our best bet, assuming the information that was given to me was correct.

I don't want to reveal more than that, but I can if town thinks it would help. It is troubling if there is an infiltration/cult mechanic at play here.

I’m relatively comfortable keeping my vote on Cal. He hasn’t appeared to pick up my town tell, and I think his argument to vote off the wagon may have been one of those “tell all of the truth except for the part about being not being town” gambits.

My concern of course would be cult, and not voting one of the players we know were visited. Ebon seems to think we should leave the question of him and Biggs for another day, which seems like it would be a pretty good move if he got turned last night.

As for Biggs, I’m choosing to trust the result I received last night.

Although, did anyone else get their info in full caps?

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Although, did anyone else get their info in full caps?

I did. And boy, does BIGGSIRL look funny in all caps.

I'm inclined to vote Cal. Going down his "Ebon or Madaghmire" rabbit trail isn't REALLY a 50/50 because we don't know if Cal is town. Almost certainly though, between Cal, Ebon and Mad, at least one of them is scum.

Option 1: Believe Cal. Vote Ebon or Mad. If one flips town, vote the other. If the other flips town too, vote Cal. (If we haven't lost the game already.)

Option 2: Vote Cal. If he's town, vote Mad or Ebon.

I like Option 2 better, not because the odds are better of finding scum on the first try (they look equal to me) but because I think Cal is dodging and weaving, hoping we'll get off his back (he was already looking scummiest to most of us before his reveal today). His dodge of my question suggests to me he's just bluffing the whole thing.

##vote @Caldias

Why don't we kill two birds with one stone and vote Ebon? He was visited, and not on the train.

That being (half jokingly) said, I can see the logic for voting Cal, and am willing to go along with it if I can't find a more likely scum. It seems the major options are:

1) Biggs, because he was visited,

2) Ebon, ditto and because of Cal's evidence,

3) Mad, because of Cal, or

4) Cal, because of his evidence.

I am personally more concerned with the visitations than killing Cal to double-check his evidence. Those at least would answer the fear of a cult, which has to be caught early and is far more deadly than regular scum.

Ebon, as I said above, fits both catagories and thus seems the more efficient target, but he crumbed early and Biggs is generally more suspicious as a result of what has already been discussed, so I would prefer to vote him.

Obviously, there is the probability that there is no cult and so the visit indicates towniness in both of them, which makes Cal the safest option, and is why I am willing to vote for him first. But I still think voting Biggs is worth the risk.

2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Although, did anyone else get their info in full caps?

Me too

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Why don't we kill two birds with one stone and vote Ebon? He was visited, and not on the train.

That being (half jokingly) said, I can see the logic for voting Cal, and am willing to go along with it if I can't find a more likely scum. It seems the major options are:

1) Biggs, because he was visited,

2) Ebon, ditto and because of Cal's evidence,

3) Mad, because of Cal, or

4) Cal, because of his evidence.

I am personally more concerned with the visitations than killing Cal to double-check his evidence. Those at least would answer the fear of a cult, which has to be caught early and is far more deadly than regular scum.

Ebon, as I said above, fits both catagories and thus seems the more efficient target, but he crumbed early and Biggs is generally more suspicious as a result of what has already been discussed, so I would prefer to vote him.

Obviously, there is the probability that there is no cult and so the visit indicates towniness in both of them, which makes Cal the safest option, and is why I am willing to vote for him first. But I still think voting Biggs is worth the risk.

I’m willing to vote Ebon, his crumb was good but I wouldnt be voting him because I thought he started the game as scum. I’d be voting from concern over the visitation

I just feel like voting Biggs, for me, is the kind of thing I’d be railing at myself for if I was say, watching in observers. “Wtf is wrong with this phluckwit?” I’d yell into the ether. “He got a town result and he’s letting people convince him to vote the ONE GUY he has that kind of info on?”

6 hours ago, PodRacer said:

All very interesting.

I wonder if scum have the ability to block intel entirely (Biggs) or manipulate the data a player receives?

Will review the intel again later, but assuming two scum, are our best odds of hitting scum going off wagon?

interesting.. just catching up have been on vassal with Pod.

5 hours ago, Caldias said:

I'm not ready to reveal the nature of how I know this, but I assume if this came from someone then they can probably verify the claim

If you are who you say you are, re-read your PM it should be the same as mine.. I don't think we want the person to verify

4 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Ebon seems to think we should leave the question of him and Biggs for another day, which seems like it would be a pretty good move if he got turned last night.

The opposite

6 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

I believe biggs and I are a good punt today , it solves some of the analysts night actions, gives us a trust baseline. Also biggs play D1 re Analysts seems odd.

4 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Although, did anyone else get their info in full caps?

no

54 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I’m willing to vote Ebon, his crumb was good but I wouldnt be voting him because I thought he started the game as scum. I’d be voting from concern over the visitation

valid, but please reconsider with above correction, and that if I die today we will be another town down. So either biggs is lying or Cal is, or scum somehow failed...

@EbonHawk my thing said exactly 1 scum was on last night's vote.

@madagh

@Madaghmire I noticed your tell, but I know you're good at subterfuge, so I am more trusting the info I got that either you or Ebon is the best place to look.

41 minutes ago, Caldias said:

@EbonHawk my thing said exactly 1 scum was on last night's vote.

which if you read the fine print about the source would imply that's correct

40 minutes ago, Caldias said:

@Madaghmire I noticed your tell, but I know you're good at subterfuge, so I am more trusting the info I got that either you or Ebon is the best place to look.

why do you wish to look off wagon though? and can you explain me outside of the possible scum visit which as said I have no idea of.

also point of fact, if you believe i was recruited etc then my claims about Draven earlier where true, as I wouldn't have been scum when making them.. Cal's game seems odd but that could be pushback from his push. anyone bed

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

interesting.. just catching up have been on vassal with Pod.

If you are who you say you are, re-read your PM it should be the same as mine.. I don't think we want the person to verify

The opposite

no

valid, but please reconsider with above correction, and that if I die today we will be another town down. So either biggs is lying or Cal is, or scum somehow failed...

Punt to me means you push it off. But I think this is idiomatic, and now that I think about it you probably aren’t referencing American Football.

34 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

why do you wish to look off wagon though? and can you explain me outside of the possible scum visit which as said I have no idea of.

also point of fact, if you believe i was recruited etc then my claims about Draven earlier where true, as I wouldn't have been scum when making them.. Cal's game seems odd but that could be pushback from his push. anyone bed

see below

On 2/4/2020 at 12:08 PM, ovinomanc3r said:

All you go direct to the meeting room as you have been commanded. Mon Mothma is already waiting.

- Please, sit down. We’ve just discovered that some of you are leaking nude pics of our dear princess during her holidays at the sunny beaches of Tattoine. This is serious business so you better start talking.

After a few seconds of lascivious smiles one by one some of you start pointing towards Matt. He first denies the accusations but not be so persuasive he then point out that all you have seen those pics.

- And you enjoyed! - He shout while been arrested by some rebel officers to be executed.

@Matt3412 is dead. He was a Rebel Intel Analyst. He was town.

Vote record:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0) -

@Madaghmire - (0) - Biggs ,

@FortyInRed - (1) - Ghost , Caldias , Matt, Bertie

@PodRacer - (1) - ebon, Bertie , Bertie

@BiggsIRL - (0) - Pod ,

@Bertie Wooster - (1) - Pod , Mad

@EbonHawk - (0) -

@Matt3412 - (5) - Forty, Pod, Biggs, Bertie, Ghost

@Caldias - (0) -

Night 1 starts now.

On Matt: Forty, Pod, Biggs, Bertie, Ghost

Off Matt: Me, Mads, Ebon

Assuming we have 2 scum, if exactly one was on the train then exactly one is off, and there's less people in the off vote pool, and I have the added benefit of knowing that I'm town, so for me it's easily a coin flip between Ebon and Mads