Updated with the new characters from A Simple Test .

You may want to update Sotorii to no longer be Crown Prince. Or were you waiting for a subsequent fiction that shows the announcement was made?

3 hours ago, Hida Jitenno said:

You may want to update Sotorii to no longer be Crown Prince. Or were you waiting for a subsequent fiction that shows the announcement was made?

Indeed I am, or if it is mentioned in the RPG next week.

So, my brain just hit me with something about Hitoshi: in the AEG story, Toshimoko had an illegitimate kid, who became Seppun Toshiken. The year is about right (1 year early) for Toshiken's gempukku.

Could Hitoshi in fact be Toshiken as a modified character? Or would it take more than one parent/illegitimacy to give enough evidence to suggest that?

51 minutes ago, Hida Jitenno said:

So, my brain just hit me with something about Hitoshi: in the AEG story, Toshimoko had an illegitimate kid, who became Seppun Toshiken. The year is about right (1 year early) for Toshiken's gempukku.

Could Hitoshi in fact be Toshiken as a modified character? Or would it take more than one parent/illegitimacy to give enough evidence to suggest that?

Well since Toshiken's mother was a Seppun (thus why he was taken into her family) I'd say the odds are strong that if they are the same character we are talking a very heavily modified character. Even then old lore pegged Toshikens birth in 1110 so if the current year is 1123 its possible he could be up for his Gempuku but given how they are playing with ages of characters for likely not.

3 minutes ago, Schmoozies said:

Well since Toshiken's mother was a Seppun (thus why he was taken into her family) I'd say the odds are strong that if they are the same character we are talking a very heavily modified character. Even then old lore pegged Toshikens birth in 1110 so if the current year is 1123 its possible he could be up for his Gempuku but given how they are playing with ages of characters for likely not.

Sure, but we have Shinjo Yasamura and Shono who have different parents and different birth order as well, for example.

8 minutes ago, Hida Jitenno said:

Sure, but we have Shinjo Yasamura and Shono who have different parents and different birth order as well, for example.

The parents change was fueled though by the fact that they gender swapped one of the parents. As for the ages yes it is a change but its not switching the clan entirely of a significant character.

Updates from the Unicorn clan letter.

I added in the two characters from the story at the start of the Mantis DLC. I also have a question:

Should I include the characters mentioned in the paragraph or so of flavour that go with the Techniques and suchlike?

4 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I added in the two characters from the story at the start of the Mantis DLC. I also have a question:

Should I include the characters mentioned in the paragraph or so of flavour that go with the Techniques and suchlike?

It's a heck of a list you're maintaining, so I'm not gonna say you should, given I have no idea how many more that would call for if the Core Rulebook includes proportionally that many flavor snippets as well.

4 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I added in the two characters from the story at the start of the Mantis DLC. I also have a question:

Should I include the characters mentioned in the paragraph or so of flavour that go with the Techniques and suchlike?

There's a lot of flavor names in there. Could be characters we may never see but who knows. Under Mantis Techniques it almost feels like they're telling a very vague but interesting story with a bunch of different characters on a ship.

It's probably no coincidence that they decided to use the name Hitoshi when giving examples of family names.

It really comes down to how much work you really want to put in this list. The easy way is to just classify them under a new category like "RPG Flavor" and a sub-heading like "Mantis Clan RPG DLC" and just shove all the names in there.

So, what I've decided to do is maintain the full list as a Google Sheet, and this list here as an extract. The following people qualify to be included in the list here:

• Any character with a card
• Any character in a product fiction, web fiction or novella
• Any character with an important position not already mentioned (if the Asahina Daimyo were to turn up in a sidebar in an RPG, for example)

If you want to see everyone else, they are included on the sheet (along with other data) which is linked in the first post.

Under the Oni list is one named "Neiru's"; should be "Nairu's". (Gaze into the Darkness fiction).

Other Oni to include are: Kanazagan, The Maw, and the First Oni (all included in the Beta RPG)

7 hours ago, Oni no Pikachu said:

Other Oni to include are: Kanazagan , The Maw, and the First Oni (all included in the Beta RPG)

You got it wrong, it’s Kazanagan.

I have corrected the Oni.

The Falcon clan characters have not been added to this, but have been to my spreadsheet, as they are purely ancestral, from a couple of centuries back.

Having got hold of the GM kit, I have added a number of Tortoise characters and a handful of others.

There's a couple of interesting little things in there. It was the Empress who let the gaijin trade before the Battle of the White Stag, but the Emperor who gave Agasha Kasuga his new clan. This matches up with the old continuity, but the death of the Empress isn't stated outright in the sidebar. Nor is there any description of what the gaijin were like, just that the survivors were absorbed into the Tortoise.

I also noticed something that I had missed the first time. There's another peasant that Miyako interacts with in the Perfect Land sect - she has the same name as the peasant Headman's wife in the village they pass through in The Rising Wave way back in the beginning.

7 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I also noticed something that I had missed the first time. There's another peasant that Miyako interacts with in the Perfect Land sect - she has the same name as the peasant Headman's wife in the village they pass through in The Rising Wave way back in the beginning.

Yuki is actually the persona Miyako adopts in the PLS. And not to crush any incipient conspiracy theories or anything, but that's just because Yuki is a really common name, especially in lands that get a lot of snow. 🙂

39 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I also noticed something that I had missed the first time. There's another peasant that Miyako interacts with in the Perfect Land sect - she has the same name as the peasant Headman's wife in the village they pass through in The Rising Wave way back in the beginning.

I’m not sure I understand you. Where does Miyako interacts with Yuki? I mean, Miyako IS Yuki.

She has the same name as the headman’s wife in TRW, but I think that was a coincidence (in setting), and a way for the writer to throw us after a false track (out of setting)

I, at least, read the first half of the fiction thinking it was the same Yuki than in TRW. Then it came the plot twist

Edit: basically, what Kinzen said, a coincidence.

Ah, that would be why I misread things. I'd better fix that

Of course, Yuki means snow, I think. (like Yuki no Onna)

I list them separately in the Fiction Library appearances entry for the story, both to avoid spoilers and to honor Ms. Brennan’s conception of the compartmentalized personalities.

First of all, thank you for this resource. It was a great help while I was reading through all the fiction.

But I have some questions, and some suggestions for this great resource:

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Hida Keinosuke - I’m new to L5R, so I’m not sure how it works. But this Ronin joins the Crab Clan, but how do we know he gets the name Hida? I can’t find anything in the Beta Rulebook adventure about this.

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Hida Tomonatsu - Is this character in the Beta Rulebook adventure considered to be the same character as the one in the later fiction? To me she doesn't seem to be the same character. Perhaps there should be a note about this or perhaps add a duplicate, with an explanation?

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Doji Shigeru - Shouldn’t the Key for the Beta Rulebook be added to this character? Someone suggested to add this character earlier in this thread, but back then the character didn’t have its own card. The character is mentioned on page 14 of the Beta Rulebook.

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Matsu Mitsuko - Can we really be sure that this character is dead? It isn’t confirmed as I see it.

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Isawa Juriko - This character isn’t listed. It is mentioned on page 5 of the In the Palace of the Emerald Champion-adventure.

And when I look at your Google Spreadsheet it has the key RPG:P under the heading Mentioned, shouldn’t this be changed to RPG? Or at least add the RPG-Key?

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Utaku Yamino - Change to: Utaku Yumino.

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Brotherhood - (Hida) Gakuto - As I’m new to L5R, i’m wonder how we know this monk is of the Hida family? All I can find in the Beta Rulebook adventure is that the character is a retired samurai who belonged to the Crab clan.

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The character Michiru from the Beta Rulebook adventure is missing.

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In the Key-list:

ACtDi - A Call to Diplomacy -> Change this to: ACfDi - A Call for Diplomacy

The following is missing in the Key-list: ACtU - A Call to Unity, but change this to: ACfU - A Call for Unity.

Then change all instances of ACtDi and ACtU to ACfDi and ACfU among the characters.

However, all the ”A Call to…” and ”A Call for…” were just the names of the articles that the seven letters were released in. If someone download these letters from the support page of the Fiction line today, it just says, as an example: ”Letter from Akodo Toturi” and the name of the PDF is ”l5c_worlds_clan_letter_lion_lo-rez.pdf”. I would suggest to change the Keys for these to something like: ”2018 Winter Court Letter - Lion Clan” instead. So that those who download these letters today will be able to find them here.

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The key: RPG:P is in the Key-List, but doesn’t seem to be used anymore. Remove it?

What were those Pre-generated characters? Where can they be found?

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As I understand it the ”RPG”-Key includes everything RPG related, including the Beta Rulebook, but doesn’t include all the adventures, which have their own Keys.

I was hoping that every RPG-book, accessory and so on could get their own Key, so it will be easier to see in what book a character can be found.

If not every book can get its own Key, I was hoping that atleast the Beta Rulebook could get its own Key. Because atleast in my opinion, the Beta Rulebook isn't canon.

Perhaps add a note to each adventure-Key in which product the adventure can be found in.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

First of all, t  hank you for this resource. It was a great help while I was reading through all the fiction.

Thank you R5 for a lot of input. I'll try to answer your questions and take your advice as applicable

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Hida Keinosuke - I’m new to L5R, so I’m not sure how it works. But this Ronin joins the Crab Clan, but how do we know he gets the name Hida? I can’t find anything in the Beta Rulebook adventure about this.

There's a tradition of the Crab where they take basically all-comers if they can prove they can fight and are willing to fight on the wall. These people are nearly always asked to join the Hida, as the 4 other families of the Clan are all specific specialists and also many times smaller than the Hida. That said, even if educated, I'll admit it's a guess.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Hida Tomonatsu - Is this character in the Beta Rulebook adventure considered to be the same character as the one in the later fiction? To me she doesn't seem to be the same character. Perhaps there should be a note about this or perhaps add a duplicate, with an explanation?

I was sticking with the so-called 'one Steve rule'. We haven't yet seen any full name shared between two 'modern-day' characters (I know Yuki is use twice for different peasants, but that's different) so it seems most likely to be the same person. We don't learn much about Tomonatsu in Dark Hands of Heaven , making it difficult to be sure.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Doji Shigeru - Shouldn’t the Key for the Beta Rulebook be added to this character? Someone suggested to add this character earlier in this thread, but back then the character didn’t have its own card. The character is mentioned on page 14 of the Beta Rulebook.

Good catch, thanks.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Matsu Mitsuko - Can we really be sure that this character is dead? It isn’t confirmed as I see it.

I thought I had left a ? beside her status. Maybe that was just in the spreadsheet - updated.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Isawa Juriko - This character isn’t listed. It is mentioned on page 5 of the In the Palace of the Emerald Champion-adventure.

And when I look at your Google Spreadsheet it has the key RPG:P under the heading Mentioned, shouldn’t this be changed to RPG? Or at least add the RPG-Key?

Juriko is Aki's sensei who died in her backstory, and thus is treated like Togashi Yoshi's lover - kind of apocryphal until the pre-generated characters (RPG:P) are fully canonised.

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Utaku Yamino - Change to: Utaku Yumino.

Ah... typos

21 hours ago, R5D4 said:

Brotherhood - (Hida) Gakuto - As I’m new to L5R, i’m wonder how we know this monk is of the Hida family? All I can find in the Beta Rulebook adventure is that the character is a retired samurai who belonged to the Crab clan.

Again, this is a bit of an educated guess - 95% (if not more) of that sort of person would be Hida. As a side note, it's always polite to refer to an unknown samurai by the family of the Kami, if you can't identify their family normally.

22 hours ago, R5D4 said:

In the Key-list:

ACtDi - A Call to Diplomacy -> Change this to: ACfDi - A Call for Diplomacy

The following is missing in the Key-list: ACtU - A Call to Unity, but change this to: ACfU - A Call for Unity.

Then change all instances of ACtDi and ACtU to ACfDi and ACfU among the characters.

However, all the ”A Call to…” and ”A Call for…” were just the names of the articles that the seven letters were released in. If someone download these letters from the support page of the Fiction line today, it just says, as an example: ”Letter from Akodo Toturi” and the name of the PDF is ”l5c_worlds_clan_letter_lion_lo-rez.pdf”. I would suggest to change the Keys for these to something like: ”2018 Winter Court Letter - Lion Clan” instead. So that those who download these letters today will be able to find them here.

I see what you mean, but I like the more poetic names. I hope you like the compromise.

22 hours ago, R5D4 said:

The key: RPG:P is in the Key-List, but doesn’t seem to be used anymore. Remove it?

What were those Pre-generated characters? Where can they be found?

These have a couple of sources: the 4 folios from the beginner game box; the 3 supplementary ones for download; the characters available at the convention game Kyotei Castle. As I said before, I consider them kinda-apocryphal.

22 hours ago, R5D4 said:

As I understand it the ”RPG”-Key includes everything RPG related, including the Beta Rulebook, but doesn’t include all the adventures, which have their own Keys.

I was hoping that every RPG-book, accessory and so on could get their own Key, so it will be easier to see in what book a character can be found.

If not every book can get its own Key, I was hoping that atleast the Beta Rulebook could get its own Key. Because atleast in my opinion, the Beta Rulebook isn't canon.

Perhaps add a note to each adventure-Key in which product the adventure can be found in.

The idea behind the "RPG" key is for people that only show up in things like the single paragraph fluff for Advantages or Disadvantages, or Invocation names - we have proof of their existence but almost nothing else about them, like when they lived! I don't think there's anyone outside the adventure that's only in the Beta rulebook.

The changes to the Winter Court Letters looks good. As I said, all my feedback is just suggestions. Without this resource I probably would have given up on all the fiction and then also the RPG.

I don’t know if you missed this one in my previous post, but you hadn’t commented on it: The character Michiru from the Beta Rulebook adventure is missing.

And I read some more about the ronin Keinosuke and him completing the Twenty Goblin Winter in the Beta Rulebook. Reading about the Twenty Goblin Winter on the wiki, it says that the newcomers usually took the Moshibaru vassal family name?

I’m just wondering why (Hida) Gakuto has his family name between parentheses and Hida Keinosuke’s family name isn’t? Is there a difference there?

About the ”RPG”-Key, I forgot to mention that I meant to have Keys for the fiction/stories included in the different RPG-books. But i guess we don’t know how many more stories the different books will have. (I haven’t seen Emerald Empire yet.)

On 12/18/2018 at 10:05 AM, R5D4 said:

The changes to the Winter Court Letters looks good. As I said, all my feedback is just suggestions. Without this resource I probably would have given up on all the fiction and then also the RPG.

I don’t know if you missed this one in my previous post, but you hadn’t commented on it: The character Michiru from the Beta Rulebook adventure is missing.

And I read some more about the ronin Keinosuke and him completing the Twenty Goblin Winter in the Beta Rulebook. Reading about the Twenty Goblin Winter on the wiki, it says that the newcomers usually took the Moshibaru vassal family name?

I’m just wondering why (Hida) Gakuto has his family name between parentheses and Hida Keinosuke’s family name isn’t? Is there a difference there?

About the ”RPG”-Key, I forgot to mention that I meant to have Keys for the fiction/stories included in the different RPG-books. But i guess we don’t know how many more stories the different books will have. (I haven’t seen Emerald Empire yet.)

Michiru is missing because when I first started on this, I was sticking to Samurai, and she wasn't definitely one. These days are changed, and I'll update the list.

I'm trying not to assume too much - that Keinosuke joined the Hida is a small assumption (IMAO) but the existence of a specific vassal family is a large assumption, I feel.

I'm also doing my best to stick to the name the character is currently known as - thus Gakuto, now a monk, doesn't use his former family name; whereas Hida Keinosuke is no longer a ronin and will use his new family name.

The problem with the RPG fiction is that they don't have names, leaving me slightly floundering for what to name the Keys.