STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!
Ashoka was fine by me. Like a chick version of Anakins attitude when he was teen. Then watching her follow such a similar path to Ani was so cool. Hell she even falls in love. And her final arc was sweeeeet. For a weak start she is one of the few characters I can truly say had depth I could appreciate. Plus I thought she was cute in a Twilek sort of way
But no lie, I was mostly there for Obi-wan. He is hands down my favorite star wars hero of all. Sucker dies and still manages to have a speaking line in every currently released episode. And to find out he had a romantic relationship too he was dealing with! BLEW my mind. So cool. I'm very curious to know if he will appear as a force ghost yet again in the new trilogy.
So anywho...Why the grumbling about the high bridged SDs? They look intimidating as all hell to me. Big bridge just staring down at you, looking at your every move. Very imperial. And sure I thought the ties looked a bit off at first but I don't really notice a difference now for some reason.
DIsney is too focused on making a profit to screw themselves over by ruining Star Wars
They like money and generally speaking the better the product is the more people that will buy it.
Star Wars Rebels is actually really good, its not at Clone Wars Level yet but it took two seasons for Clone Wars to get any footing and Rebels is definitely off to a better start then Clone Wars was
To anyone who brings up the disney sequels that suck the argument I give is that Disney has never theatrically released a BAD movie
Mediocre? Oh yes
But never bad.
The direct to DvD sequels were made when a complete moron was in charge of disney's animation department and didn't want to put out anything new
He has been gone for a while now though and we don't see any of those sh*tty sequels coming out.
Now onto Rebels
I LOVE Rebels thus far
Hera is my favorite character and she is definitely someone I want to fly as in X-Wing
I also really like Kanaan but I'm hoping we see more of his book personality. I find the difference between his book and tv self interesting and I am intrigued to see what changed.
I also want more books following Kanaan and Hera before the rest of the group came in. I really like their chemistry
The one thing I REALLY want from Rebels is for the few seasons to focus on the start up and toward the end of the series we see the early days of the real war
I should probably let you know ahead of time, in the efforts of full disclosure, that I gave up on Clone Wars after the first two seasons. The first episode, with Yoda and the Clones, was so **** good, I hung around for two seasons waiting for it to get back to that level of good.
Then they announced that they were bringing Maul back, after they'd given him a brother who co-opted Wolverine's backstory, and ruined the Sith Tattoo thing, and that's when I was out.
Also, you're judging Disney by the Post-Little Mermaid Era. Prior to that, Disney DID theatrically BAD stuff.
I'm intrigued by your theory that they are too concerned with making money to ruin Star Wars when it's exactly that reason that I think they will, eventually, re-ruin it.
Even pre Little Mermaid was really good, do they hold up as well today, not most of them no, but examining at the time does put them in perspective
And what I mean by wanting to make money is listening to the people who they know make good stuff and giving them money to make it better
Look at Pixar and Marvel
Neither were ruined by disney and Marvel was able to do something they otherwise would never have been able to
On the subject of clone wars 3rd season was really really good lol and the Maul and mandarin storyline while it was pandering, was probably some of the strongest written episodes in the show
And Ahsoka is actually a perfect example of how Rebels is off to a better start
Ahsoka was unarguably awful in the beginning of the show, Ezra is at least tolerable
BUT Ahsoka went from Jar Jar status to absolutely amazing as the series continues and becomes one of my personal favorite star wars characters.
Not to mention they actually made
The Fall of Darth Vader seem tragic
IE instead of cheering when the ***** ass Anakin finally dongs the sexy black leather you actually feel bad about it and understand more of the characters motivations for siding with the empire.
He actually feels like a young Darth Vader in the show rather then some whiney teen that just happens to turn into a badass when he has his limbs removed.
Now, as much as I like Ahsoka, I do hope she gets her death-by-Vader in Rebels.
Now, as much as I like Ahsoka, I do hope she gets her death-by-Vader in Rebels.
I'm going to be a baby here and hope that doesn't happen since she's amazing
that being said
If it did happen
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BOTH HEARTBREAKING AND PHENOMENAL
It really enhances a lot of the saga, imo. Shows just how far Vader has fallen, pretty much confirms to Obi-wan that Vader can't be redeemed, and also highlights just how important Luke is to redeeming Vader. And depending on when you ask Lucas, shows why Luke is the chosen one.
And the haters get to relish in her death. Win-win.
Now, as much as I like Ahsoka, I do hope she gets her death-by-Vader in Rebels.
Oh my god YES.
That would be so perfect. A duel between master and apprentice, perhaps even mirroring Obi-Wan and Vader's duel.
I also want him to call her Snips if she doesn't recognize him, just to terrify the living hell out of her. Maybe disarm her for just a moment.
It really enhances a lot of the saga, imo. Shows just how far Vader has fallen, pretty much confirms to Obi-wan that Vader can't be redeemed, and also highlights just how important Luke is to redeeming Vader. And depending on when you ask Lucas, shows why Luke is the chosen one.
And the haters get to relish in her death. Win-win.
It would set Vader truly as the face of the empire
Anakin Skywalker is dead
But Vader/Ani hated Obi-wan in the closing acts. The Clone Wars make Ani out to actually care about Ashoka. He could potentially have little to no angst toward her. I thought it would be very clever of them to use Ashoka as another force in Vaders life that pushes him towards the light again. Making it so that it wasn't just Luke who turns him back but Anakin actually converting to the Dark Side over the course of the Clone Wars, then as the ghosts of that war come back into his life (Ashoka, his kids, maybe a stray good soldier clone or two) he starts the long road back. Proving that he was indeed the Chosen one spoken of in prophecy. That HE traveled all the way to the dark and took just as long to get back. Not that Luke did in the span of one fight, or had the power to cause the change in Vader.
It would be really intriguing to have Ashoka coming in as an adult leaving clues to how Palpatine was to blame for it all and slowly bring Vader to the realization that his fall was engineered and sow the seed of rebellion in Vader himself.
Best part? That would mean that Luke isn't the chosen one and the force was possibly only brought back in balance for a moments before Vaders death. There was the part in Clone Wars where to fill the prophecy the chosen one was supposed to stay on that weird world controlling the two siblings but didn't.
There's no question. Luke was
never
the chosen one.
Vader fulfilled the prophecy by killing Palpatine. When he died, there was finally balance.
Mostly because Luke was no Jedi. Just a Force Sensitive with a lightsaber and a couple weeks of training, really.
I have no issue with Disney merchandising it, I think they learned it from Uncle George. But I still have an issue with the incompetence of the Stormtroopers.
But if you can post those two pictures right next to each other and not see a similarity, I'm just gonna give up conversing with you at this point. I guess all I can say is that I didn't find Disney analogues for every character in Rebels, but DUDE; Ezra is Aladdin. I don't know what Disney-Rose-Colored Glasses you're wearing. I even saw the Disney Infinity figure for Aladdin at Target recently. It's basically a CGI version of the character, and it looks just like Ezra.
I will say when you give them both a superficial glance, they are pretty similar, but if you take the time to look past first glance, I think there are enough differences that they aren't clones. They are both animated middle-eastern-esque youths with market research driven hair length to make acceptable protagonist everymen. They both are orphan turned hero archetypes. I think that's where the difference ends, though.
I'm sure this has been said somewhere before, but neither Vader nor Luke brought balance to the Force at the end of Jedi. In fact, they brought a glaring imbalance to the Force. With the death of the Emperor and the turning of Vader, the dark half of the Force became the missing element. Ying without Yang.
Keeping this in mind, Vader brought balance, just like the prophecy said in the years after Episode III because of the Purge. There were limited dark side force users and limited Light side users. Ying and Yang.
I have a feeling that it is the post Return of the Jedi balance issue that will feature heavily in Episode VII. I have always felt that the Force was neither dark or light...it simply was the Force. Balance can only exist with both sides. What do you all think?
I think it was balanced after Vader died, because Luke wasn't a Jedi / light side.
it simply was the Force. Balance can only exist with both sides. What do you all think?
No it doesn't need both sides. The Dark side isn't yin to the light's yang. It is a corruption of the natural state the Force should be in. The Force is about creation and life, and death which is what the Dark side is about, is not a balance to that.
Or at least that's what George said at one point.
But he did seem to change his mind with the Mortis arc from the clone wars.
Edited by VanorDMI think it was balanced after Vader died, because Luke wasn't a Jedi / light side.
because Luke wasn't a Jedi / light side.
Really? Based on what? Because he claims to be a Jedi at the end of RotJ, and I've seen nothing to contradict that statement.
But if you can post those two pictures right next to each other and not see a similarity, I'm just gonna give up conversing with you at this point. I guess all I can say is that I didn't find Disney analogues for every character in Rebels, but DUDE; Ezra is Aladdin. I don't know what Disney-Rose-Colored Glasses you're wearing. I even saw the Disney Infinity figure for Aladdin at Target recently. It's basically a CGI version of the character, and it looks just like Ezra.
I will say when you give them both a superficial glance, they are pretty similar, but if you take the time to look past first glance, I think there are enough differences that they aren't clones. They are both animated middle-eastern-esque youths with market research driven hair length to make acceptable protagonist everymen. They both are orphan turned hero archetypes. I think that's where the difference ends, though.
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My big complaint with rebels is that it was an awfully short season!
Fulcrum in my head is Ahsoka, but I concede that it could be Rex, any rogue clone or... frankly anyone - it's up in the air.
Bail probably has more than one Corvette at his disposal, and more than one pot of paint. He'd probably have the resources to know about the base, Also ever since he sold his stock in Dioysa he probably has more time to do this sort of stuff.
Ahsoka we just don't know what she's been up to - and we really want to, so she's an ideal candidate.
Rex... I see him as being too loyal to vader, but then who knows?
Echo could have been disenfranchised by the Empire and deserted, other clones did it before.
Fulcrum, or even that one rogue Imperial senator(i forget the name) could be one and the same and they can be working against the rebellion, setting them up into traps/to fail.
The spire was a trap.
That base was a death trap.
Another theory: Fulcrum is ex senator Jar Jar Binks - Hear me out, he's smarter than he looks apparently, he was previously the fulcrum - the swaying vote that gave Palpatine emergency powers. He'd want to aid the Rebels and he might even have the resources.
Edited by DariusAPBPeace will always seek to establish peace. Evil will always seek to establish chaos.
Keep in mind that Palpatine, perhaps the most evil entity in the entirety of Star Wars lore, wanted to exist forever and exert control over everything. He engineered the Clone Wars and eventual rise of the Empire to install himself as ruler of the galaxy. He became powerful as a Sith, in being powerful craved and acquired more power for himself, and for a time held near absolute control over the known galaxy.
I can't agree with the statement that evil will always seek to establish chaos. In some cases, evil just wants all the marbles.
And just for the record, Luke isn't the Chosen One. Anakin is, as the prophesy prophesied. The Jedi, in their arrogance, misunderstood the prophesy. They assumed balance meant the Jedi, warriors of the Light side, defeating the Sith. The truth is that the balance that Anakin would bring would be destruction on all sides and a wiping clean of the slate. Back to a square one scenario. A reset button. Anakin (operating as Vader) destroys (99%) of the Jedi ( most importantly , the Jedi leadership) and then Anakin 'kills' Vader and kills Palpatine, destroying the Sith leadership . Balance .
I have been enjoying the show, though being an Imperial player it makes me sad every time the blow up a tie fighter.
In the greater list of legends Sith... Palpatine isn't that evil.
The KOTOR Emperor was worse in many ways, Palpatine even was theorized to be planning for the Yuuzan Vong invasion in some EU.
Palpatine was a **** but by no means the biggest.
But if you can post those two pictures right next to each other and not see a similarity, I'm just gonna give up conversing with you at this point. I guess all I can say is that I didn't find Disney analogues for every character in Rebels, but DUDE; Ezra is Aladdin. I don't know what Disney-Rose-Colored Glasses you're wearing. I even saw the Disney Infinity figure for Aladdin at Target recently. It's basically a CGI version of the character, and it looks just like Ezra.
I will say when you give them both a superficial glance, they are pretty similar, but if you take the time to look past first glance, I think there are enough differences that they aren't clones. They are both animated middle-eastern-esque youths with market research driven hair length to make acceptable protagonist everymen. They both are orphan turned hero archetypes. I think that's where the difference ends, though.
Take a look at side-by-side pictures of Batman from the first season of Batman: The Animated Series, and Batman from Justice League Unlimited. They are by no stretch clones; but they are both the gorram Batman.
And as a grown man sporting long hair since 1997, (I was in the Army from '89 to '97, or I'd have a better track record.) I can tell you that there must be some seriously flawed market research they are using. I can't tell you the number of times someone has told me that the 80s called and wants their hair back. I tell them it wasn't a call from the 80s, it was a messenger on horseback from the middle ages, or the dark ages, or the revolutionary war, or the civil war, etc.
Peace will always seek to establish peace. Evil will always seek to establish chaos.
Keep in mind that Palpatine, perhaps the most evil entity in the entirety of Star Wars lore, wanted to exist forever and exert control over everything. He engineered the Clone Wars and eventual rise of the Empire to install himself as ruler of the galaxy. He became powerful as a Sith, in being powerful craved and acquired more power for himself, and for a time held near absolute control over the known galaxy.
I can't agree with the statement that evil will always seek to establish chaos. In some cases, evil just wants all the marbles.
And just for the record, Luke isn't the Chosen One. Anakin is, as the prophesy prophesied. The Jedi, in their arrogance, misunderstood the prophesy. They assumed balance meant the Jedi, warriors of the Light side, defeating the Sith. The truth is that the balance that Anakin would bring would be destruction on all sides and a wiping clean of the slate. Back to a square one scenario. A reset button. Anakin (operating as Vader) destroys (99%) of the Jedi ( most importantly , the Jedi leadership) and then Anakin 'kills' Vader and kills Palpatine, destroying the Sith leadership . Balance .
He doesn't kill Luke or Leia. Unbalanced. FAIL.