3 hours ago, Daeglan said:WotC did that and got a smack down for it. So i think there is a minimal amount of books requied. Whichnos how we got Saga edition.
Yeah many of these type of contracts have a publishing requirement, unsure of this contract. I highly doubt that Disney is motivated to enforce this, but FF can't afford to take a chance and loose the license either. I guess they could argue that reprints qualify as publishing or we might see a half hearted book published once a year.
2 minutes ago, TheWizurd said:Yeah many of these type of contracts have a publishing requirement, unsure of this contract. I highly doubt that Disney is motivated to enforce this, but FF can't afford to take a chance and loose the license either. I guess they could argue that reprints qualify as publishing or we might see a half hearted book published once a year.
That didnt fly for Wotc. What they can argue is shifting to a new division causing delays along with printer shut downs and covid
12 minutes ago, Daeglan said:That didnt fly for Wotc. What they can argue is shifting to a new division causing delays along with printer shut downs and covid
While I ran those versions of the game, I was unaware of these issues at Wizards. Covid has caused delays for most of this industry, so these seem like legit excuses. Not sure if they are allowed to subcontract the license out, as in the LotR license, or not but I am sure a company like Modiphius would love to get their hands on it. I see 2d20 SW in the future perhaps? I am just kidding, mostly. SW is my first love and RPG my second. I just want to see something done with it.
The thing with the current edition of Star Wars is that there are still dozens of Region/Sector books that they could make. Those don't even need new "crunch", except for a few new species and Adversaries.
4 hours ago, salamar_dree said:The thing with the current edition of Star Wars is that there are still dozens of Region/Sector books that they could make. Those don't even need new "crunch", except for a few new species and Adversaries.
Exactly this.
They could update some old ideas from WEG for additional content. They could do something like the galaxy guides or re-examine some of the classic campaign settings. Frankly, it would be interesting to see official works exploring how to introduce concepts from the prequels, sequels, and TV series into the old WEG stuff. I have ideas for my own campaigns, but I ain't no perfessional and would like to see what real game designers and writers can come up with.
14 hours ago, Balorna said:They could update some old ideas from WEG for additional content. They could do something like the galaxy guides or re-examine some of the classic campaign settings. Frankly, it would be interesting to see official works exploring how to introduce concepts from the prequels, sequels, and TV series into the old WEG stuff. I have ideas for my own campaigns, but I ain't no perfessional and would like to see what real game designers and writers can come up with.
The region books like Lords of Nal Hutta would be great. A version of frgments of the rim would be awesome.
Era books for the sequel trilogy era book and mandaloeian era b I ok and high rebublic era
23 hours ago, salamar_dree said:The thing with the current edition of Star Wars is that there are still dozens of Region/Sector books that they could make. Those don't even need new "crunch", except for a few new species and Adversaries.
Diminishing returns on increase fringe elements. Too much risk and effort for too little returns. A new edition has some risks, but the returns are much higher.
22 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:Diminishing returns on increase fringe elements. Too much risk and effort for too little returns. A new edition has some risks, but the returns are much higher.
You assume. The problem is all the places i have seen the number of people who do not want a new edition is greater than those who do. . They want some minor tweaks. So the risk is far far greater than the rewards.
1 hour ago, Daeglan said:You assume. The problem is all the places i have seen the number of people who do not want a new edition is greater than those who do. . They want some minor tweaks. So the risk is far far greater than the rewards.
Nah, we are all fans here on these forums. There will be a few that won't buy a new edition, but most will, despite what they say. Seen it happen many times.
For me, it's not a matter of, "To buy or not to buy." I simply don't see the need for a new edition at all.
A few minor tweaks, mainly to vehicle combat, and this can continue.
If they do choose to make a 2nd edition, I would want it to be as backwards compatible as possible.
21 minutes ago, TheWizurd said:Nah, we are all fans here on these forums. There will be a few that won't buy a new edition, but most will, despite what they say. Seen it happen many times.
You are are also assuming. Pathfinder is an example of what happens when you go against what the fans want.
2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:You are are also assuming. Pathfinder is an example of what happens when you go against what the fans want.
No comparison between D&D and any SW RPG. Totally different situation. The current system isn't open license. D&D is the giant in the industry, any SW RPG is small peanuts in comparison. There is no market for a clone. There are still folks playing WEG SW. Some will get left behind, but there was no profit in such customers anyhow. If they care about making a profit off this RPG, they will introduce a new edition. They might not. It might be about the minis line
1 hour ago, TheWizurd said:No comparison between D&D and any SW RPG. Totally different situation. The current system isn't open license. D&D is the giant in the industry, any SW RPG is small peanuts in comparison. There is no market for a clone. There are still folks playing WEG SW. Some will get left behind, but there was no profit in such customers anyhow. If they care about making a profit off this RPG, they will introduce a new edition. They might not. It might be about the minis line
But there is a risk of players refusing to move to a new edition. And i suspect it is greater than you think. A new edition would HAVE to be SIGNIFICANTLY better to convince people to start over. I am not seeing that happen.
Edited by Daeglan1 hour ago, Daeglan said:But there is a risk of players refusing to move to a new edition. And i suspect it is greater than you think. A new edition would HAVE to be SIGNIFICANTLY better to convince people to start over. I am not seeing that happen.
What does "better" entail? That's something that is a personal judgment.
On the other hand I suspect that any update might just be to Genesys. It was stated in the last vidcast that they are already working on Twilight Imperium for Genesys. Wouldn't make sense to do two space opera settings.
The model for profit in this industry is to introduce new editions at a certain point. This game is well beyond that point and that they aren't terribly worried about profit for this line.
Guessing that they might not even know where they want to go and this game will continue to limp along at its current pace.
9 minutes ago, TheWizurd said:What does "better" entail? That's something that is a personal judgment.
On the other hand I suspect that any update might just be to Genesys. It was stated in the last vidcast that they are already working on Twilight Imperium for Genesys. Wouldn't make sense to do two space opera settings.
The model for profit in this industry is to introduce new editions at a certain point. This game is well beyond that point and that they aren't terribly worried about profit for this line.
Guessing that they might not even know where they want to go and this game will continue to limp along at its current pace.
No the model is a new edition when there are enough problems to warrant them. If you do a new edition before that it is seen as a cash grab and resented.
11 hours ago, Daeglan said:No the model is a new edition when there are enough problems to warrant them. If you do a new edition before that it is seen as a cash grab and resented.
A cash grab? Maybe.
Resented? Maybe again.
But profitable? It must be, or it wouldn't be done as a standard practice of the industry.
I'm in the camp that this system doesn't need a new edition (I'd happily buy an 'Advanced GM's Guide' or something with some tweaked mechanics), but that doesn't mean it won't happen if someone somewhere at FFG/Edge crunches the numbers and decides it's worth it.
A new edition/rulebook to support a propper ST, High Republic, or other non-PT/OT timeline is something I, for one, would scoop up in an instant. Of course, should Edge prefer to go the route of just releasing a few faction/location books and scenarios, I'd certainly buy into that as well. I'm currently missing just two FFG SWRPG books ( Fully Operational & Starships and Speeders ) and I'm looking forward to buying up whatever future stuff they put out.
30 minutes ago, angelman2 said:A new edition/rulebook to support a propper ST, High Republic, or other non-PT/OT timeline is something I, for one, would scoop up in an instant. Of course, should Edge prefer to go the route of just releasing a few faction/location books and scenarios, I'd certainly buy into that as well. I'm currently missing just two FFG SWRPG books ( Fully Operational & Starships and Speeders ) and I'm looking forward to buying up whatever future stuff they put out.
I don't know why you'd need a new edition/CRB to support those games. What we've got is plenty to play any era, it's just based in the OT. We also don't have nearly enough information about the High Republic to warrant anything right now, and it'll probably be a couple years before we do. The Sequel Trilogy also doesn't have nearly the wealth of information that the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy have, so it would be harder to fill out an era book, much less a full CRB.
I think a better course of action is to keep the game based in the one era that pretty much everybody loves and then release supplemental books about other eras.
I am interested in location books like the CSA or the Greater Javin (aside from the planet and Rebel base named Isis. That didn't age well). Something else that would be great is some books that fill in rather obscure locations that don't have a lot of information, that way they really add to the world-building rather than just compiling information. I don't think they'd do this though as it's rather a lot of effort to come up with something more-or-less from scratch.
1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:I don't know why you'd need a new edition/CRB to support those games. What we've got is plenty to play any era, it's just based in the OT. We also don't have nearly enough information about the High Republic to warrant anything right now, and it'll probably be a couple years before we do. The Sequel Trilogy also doesn't have nearly the wealth of information that the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy have, so it would be harder to fill out an era book, much less a full CRB.
I think a better course of action is to keep the game based in the one era that pretty much everybody loves and then release supplemental books about other eras.
I am interested in location books like the CSA or the Greater Javin (aside from the planet and Rebel base named Isis. That didn't age well). Something else that would be great is some books that fill in rather obscure locations that don't have a lot of information, that way they really add to the world-building rather than just compiling information. I don't think they'd do this though as it's rather a lot of effort to come up with something more-or-less from scratch.
I would love to see some creativity like we had in the WEG days, but that doesn't seem to be the way. I am guessing that it's frowned upon these days.
14 minutes ago, TheWizurd said:I would love to see some creativity like we had in the WEG days, but that doesn't seem to be the way. I am guessing that it's frowned upon these days.
From my understanding of it, Disney keeps a much tighter grip on what is allowed than Lucasfilm used to. The approach has it's pros and cons, but I just want as much information as I can get. Then I'll use/ignore/change stuff as I desire. I've actually come across a lot of WEG stuff in my research for various things in my games.
24 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:From my understanding of it, Disney keeps a much tighter grip on what is allowed than Lucasfilm used to. The approach has it's pros and cons, but I just want as much information as I can get. Then I'll use/ignore/change stuff as I desire. I've actually come across a lot of WEG stuff in my research for various things in my games.
I think it’s worth remembering that, back in the WEG days, Star Wars was effectively a “dead” property. By that, I mean that no new movie or TV content was forthcoming, the first Marvel series ended in 1987 with Dark Horse not picking up the license until 1991. WEG was given free rein because (at the start, at least) they were the only new material coming out for the foreseeable future.
Now, though, it’s an active media franchise again, with constant content being released through distribution streams that reach more people than a niche RPG, some direct LFL content and some licensed. So, those outlets will have what appears to be more leeway, but they also have to go through an approval process.
In short (too late
), it’s easier for a licensee to have room for invention if a property is dormant than if it’s active.
3 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:I think it’s worth remembering that, back in the WEG days, Star Wars was effectively a “dead” property. By that, I mean that no new movie or TV content was forthcoming, the first Marvel series ended in 1987 with Dark Horse not picking up the license until 1991. WEG was given free rein because (at the start, at least) they were the only new material coming out for the foreseeable future.
Now, though, it’s an active media franchise again, with constant content being released through distribution streams that reach more people than a niche RPG, some direct LFL content and some licensed. So, those outlets will have what appears to be more leeway, but they also have to go through an approval process.
In short (too late
I agree, but my point still goes.
I wasn't saying it was bad or good, just that it was the current state of affairs, a state of affairs that has both pros and cons. I find the cons worse than the pros are good, but I can also understand that others may disagree with that evaluation. I have always had a great focus on headcanon, treating published materials as a buffet. Other people don't think that that, and want a single, cohesive story to follow (now you can argue about whether the story actually is cohesive, but let's not get into that on either side).
I rankle against that tendency, which is fairly indicative of my thinking and philosophy in general (which amuses me greatly).
46 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:I agree, but my point still goes.
I wasn't saying it was bad or good, just that it was the current state of affairs, a state of affairs that has both pros and cons. I find the cons worse than the pros are good, but I can also understand that others may disagree with that evaluation. I have always had a great focus on headcanon, treating published materials as a buffet. Other people don't think that that, and want a single, cohesive story to follow (now you can argue about whether the story actually is cohesive, but let's not get into that on either side).
I rankle against that tendency, which is fairly indicative of my thinking and philosophy in general (which amuses me greatly).
Totally understood. I wasn’t making a judgment call on it, either, but rather just looking at the contexts that would have allowed for WEG to just go nuts with new material but prevent FFG/Edge from employing that same sort of leeway.
An entirely new edition wouldn't hurt me any. The only book I have is the EotE core book, and I have only played in a couple games so far. That being said, I haven't noticed in holes in the system that needs to be filled.