I would be a bit upset if it was a new edition...but it doesn't mean older content potentially couldn't be salvaged.

I personally would prefer a soft reboot with a core rulebook that acts as an errata to the old and revision of mechanics with a way to grandfather older stuff in. However I also understand the logistics of that are not possible and when you band aid a problem you're just covering it up and patching it, not really solving the original problem.

That being said, to me there's not a lot that I would want to see revised. Starship combat definitely needs a revision but beyond that...some of the earlier specs definitely? Nothing else really leaps to mind.

The advantage of a new edition is its a great jumping off point for new players, and a lot of the ground work has already been done. When EotE was released, I imagine Lightsabers and Force Powers etc were not really fully finalised until F&D, with everything now have a basis to work from in theory it means a second edition can be tighter from the start with potentially more content.

Would I not buy a new edition? Come on, of course not it's Star Wars RPG. I own the entire line including the rare Rescue at Glare Peak. I'm not exactly going to break my collection now especially when it's not like we are getting a book every month. I have the disposable income to easily afford a new book every month and not blink (but please don't do that FFG. I do like having some money for X-Wing and other things too...)

A reprint of the out of print books has a lot more chance to happen than a new edition for the year to come.

5 hours ago, Ebak said:

I would be a bit upset if it was a new edition...but it doesn't mean older content potentially couldn't be salvaged.

I personally would prefer a soft reboot with a core rulebook that acts as an errata to the old and revision of mechanics with a way to grandfather older stuff in. However I also understand the logistics of that are not possible and when you band aid a problem you're just covering it up and patching it, not really solving the original problem.

That being said, to me there's not a lot that I would want to see revised. Starship combat definitely needs a revision but beyond that...some of the earlier specs definitely? Nothing else really leaps to mind.

I think a good solution would not be a 2.0, but a 1.5. So, we are re-releasing out of print stuff while updating with small changes that doesn't completely make our old books suddenly obsolete. If you are getting new into the game, you get the newer books with some revised errata and things such as updated vehicle rules from Genesys. That without making our old collections obsolete. Already have everything? Pick what you want to update and what you aren't worried much about. I need a new EotE core book myself since it is falling apart. I would prefer it to be a 1.5 (errata, tweaks from years of play) then just a 1.0 repeat or a 2.0.

2 hours ago, Sturn said:

I think a good solution would not be a 2.0, but a 1.5. So, we are re-releasing out of print stuff while updating with small changes that doesn't completely make our old books suddenly obsolete. If you are getting new into the game, you get the newer books with some revised errata and things such as updated vehicle rules from Genesys. That without making our old collections obsolete. Already have everything? Pick what you want to update and what you aren't worried much about. I need a new EotE core book myself since it is falling apart. I would prefer it to be a 1.5 (errata, tweaks from years of play) then just a 1.0 repeat or a 2.0.

I can think of similar analogy from the old WEG game when it moved from 2nd edition to 2nd edition, expanded and revised. Ironically, the biggest change in that was also in how ship combat was handled, but other than that, material written under both 1st editions and base 2nd edition were equally valid and could be used with very little change.

3 hours ago, Balorna said:

I can think of similar analogy from the old WEG game when it moved from 2nd edition to 2nd edition, expanded and revised. Ironically, the biggest change in that was also in how ship combat was handled, but other than that, material written under both 1st editions and base 2nd edition were equally valid and could be used with very little change.

given the way the mechanics work you could probably do the same with this version

12 hours ago, Sturn said:

I think a good solution would not be a 2.0, but a 1.5. So, we are re-releasing out of print stuff while updating with small changes that doesn't completely make our old books suddenly obsolete. If you are getting new into the game, you get the newer books with some revised errata and things such as updated vehicle rules from Genesys.

Doing that means going through the validation process by Lucasfilm once again for each book that is modified. And Lucasfilm doens't care about RPG books and can wait for months (or years like what happened for the French translations of SW RPG books which waited from early 2019 to late 2020 to receive the validation by Lucasfilm) before being validated.

And then you must print them all in the same unique printer in China that prints all Disney materials. So, it has a printing schedule well booked in advance. It could more than a year before we see the 1.5 Star Wars RPG books.

19 hours ago, Ebak said:

I would be a bit upset if it was a new edition...but it doesn't mean older content potentially couldn't be salvaged.

That all depends on how radical and substantial the changes are between the editions.

Technically, D&D 3.X, 4e, and 5e are all variations of the core d20 system, but it takes a lot of work to "salvage" material from one edition to make it viable for a different edition. There's even a fair bit of "it's salvageable, but requires a LOT of work" with regards to using 1e Pathfinder material in 2e Pathfinder.

Were FFG to completely redo the skill lists, dispatch with talent trees, and remove a lot of filler talents needed for those trees, that means a lot of work either converting or just straight up rebuilding PCs and stat blocks as there's a lot of material that's now been invalidated by that change.

And I don't know about you, but there's a fair number of folks in this hobby that simply don't have the disposable income to repurchase an RPG line. And most RPG companies know this, so while the old model may have been "release a new edition every few years!" (not unlike DC's habit of completely rebooting the DCU ever several years), in today's world doing a radically new edition isn't as much of an assured sales generator as it had been even a decade ago. I think for a lot of RPG companies, as long as the current edition of an RPG is still making steady sales and there's room to introduce new product, then there's not a major drive to release a new edition that's going to alienate the core fanbase that RPG has built up over the years.

Nowadays, it seems the best times for a new edition are when the current edition is completely tapped out (not something Star Wars will have to worry about anytime soon) or the mechanics are so unsalvageably bad that something needs to be done to reinject new life into the game. Granted, there are exceptions, such as Games Workshop releasing new editions of WH40K (and with it new models and updated army books) at what feels like the drop of a hat, or Palladium and their stolid refusal to update a system that's been around since the 80's and is very much showing its age.

Something else that is important to note, is that "new" doesn't automatically equate to "better". Plus, whether or not a product is "good" is very subjective.

Having played 1st ed AD&D for a decade, I was happy to switch to 3rd. And I was equally happy to switch to 3.5. When 4e was announced, I was like, "Good, 3.5 has gotten too clunky". But then we tried it, and my friends and I despised it.

Yet there are players who love 4e. But not enough to save it. 4e died quickly, because a lot of people jumped to Pathfinder.

Now, the 5e model is, "Slow and steady", with a slow release schedule as opposed to 4e's, "Crank out the products!" attitude.

I don't want a new edition. For that, I'd just use Genesys, as it fixes most of the bugs.

But honestly, Star Wars just needs some errata, not a new edition.

1 hour ago, salamar_dree said:

Plus, whether or not a product is "good" is very subjective.

You just had to ... didn't you?

On 8/19/2020 at 5:26 PM, Sturn said:

I think a good solution would not be a 2.0, but a 1.5. So, we are re-releasing out of print stuff while updating with small changes that doesn't completely make our old books suddenly obsolete. If you are getting new into the game, you get the newer books with some revised errata and things such as updated vehicle rules from Genesys. That without making our old collections obsolete. Already have everything? Pick what you want to update and what you aren't worried much about. I need a new EotE core book myself since it is falling apart. I would prefer it to be a 1.5 (errata, tweaks from years of play) then just a 1.0 repeat or a 2.0.

They don't care about making your books obsolete. They want to sell new books, not cater to what you've already paid for...in fact, making your books obsolete gives them increased opportunities. And if you're not one to buy in again, well that's OK too because it's always about the new customers. Pretty much everyone here is a past customer, and that's not where they'll find most of their money.

22 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

They don't care about making your books obsolete. They want to sell new books, not cater to what you've already paid for...in fact, making your books obsolete gives them increased opportunities. And if you're not one to buy in again, well that's OK too because it's always about the new customers. Pretty much everyone here is a past customer, and that's not where they'll find most of their money.

Actually they do care. They care about makingna profit. So they care about pissing off their customers. So they are likely going to look at coversations like that to get a barometer reading on how the fans feel about whether we want a new edition. Something they did not have the ability to guage before.

1 hour ago, Daeglan said:

Actually they do care. They care about makingna profit. So they care about pissing off their customers. So they are likely going to look at coversations like that to get a barometer reading on how the fans feel about whether we want a new edition. Something they did not have the ability to guage before.

If they make business decisions off conversations in a forum, they have absolutely no business training and deserve to fail, lol. HappyDaze is accurate in his/her statement. The business model says to start a new edition at this point, for profit at least. This edition is well beyond it's lifespan. They might not care if this line is profitable.

8 hours ago, TheWizurd said:

If they make business decisions off conversations in a forum, they have absolutely no business training and deserve to fail, lol. HappyDaze is accurate in his/her statement. The business model says to start a new edition at this point, for profit at least. This edition is well beyond it's lifespan. They might not care if this line is profitable.

The old model might say "new edition time!" but as I said, that's an OLD model, one based around a thriving economy, global or regional, something we don't really have.

Plus, FFG/EDGE has access not only to forum feedback, but sales numbers as well as a variety of other social media (Facebook, reddit, Twitter, etc) that can give them a better picture of how folks feel about whether or not a new edition is needed.

And if we're taking anecdotal evidence, then the only place I've seen heavy calls for a new edition is on these forums. Everyone else, be it these forums, the dozen or so FB groups I'm a member of or the various subreddits, seems generally pretty happy with the current edition, with the most being asked for is some kind of slightly revised edition that addresses a few warts (namely starship combat), and no desire to "buy it all again" with a new edition that introduces radical/sweeping changes. And if the books were selling strong before the pandemic, then the only drastic step needed on EDGE's part is to try and figure out a way to get reprints onto store shelves faster.

Edit: Plus, if anyone thinks for a moment that Asmodee doesn't have people in their marketing department whose sole job is keeping abreast of social media with regards to their products, or that such data has zero impact on their marketing plans, you're a fool, pure and simple.

Dead and gone are the days when company forums were the best place for an RPG company to get feedback from their customer base on products; for better or worse, social media is the primary method for a company to see what their customers (current, past, and potential) are saying about their goods.

3 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

The old model might say "new edition time!" but as I said, that's an OLD model, one based around a thriving economy, global or regional, something we don't really have.

Plus, FFG/EDGE has access not only to forum feedback, but sales numbers as well as a variety of other social media (Facebook, reddit, Twitter, etc) that can give them a better picture of how folks feel about whether or not a new edition is needed.

And if we're taking anecdotal evidence, then the only place I've seen heavy calls for a new edition is on these forums. Everyone else, be it these forums, the dozen or so FB groups I'm a member of or the various subreddits, seems generally pretty happy with the current edition, with the most being asked for is some kind of slightly revised edition that addresses a few warts (namely starship combat), and no desire to "buy it all again" with a new edition that introduces radical/sweeping changes. And if the books were selling strong before the pandemic, then the only drastic step needed on EDGE's part is to try and figure out a way to get reprints onto store shelves faster.

Edit: Plus, if anyone thinks for a moment that Asmodee doesn't have people in their marketing department whose sole job is keeping abreast of social media with regards to their products, or that such data has zero impact on their marketing plans, you're a fool, pure and simple.

Dead and gone are the days when company forums were the best place for an RPG company to get feedback from their customer base on products; for better or worse, social media is the primary method for a company to see what their customers (current, past, and potential) are saying about their goods.

And in reality they need to aggregate all channels including reddit, Twitter, their forums, etc. ignoring any of those would be silly. So yes they should pay attention to their forums. but they should consider that a single data point to be included. Gone are the days where they blindly putting out new editions with out considering what their customers want.

The other thing to consider is people have been asking for reprints for a while. So they likely see sales dropping off. But not because of decreased demand. But decreased supply.

I think the question now is; at least for me, wil lthe new books {or rather, reprints} be available on FFG's own site as well or strictly on Edge Studios ?

18 minutes ago, Ni Fang said:

I think the question now is; at least for me, wil lthe new books {or rather, reprints} be available on FFG's own site as well or strictly on Edge Studios ?

Im guessingnit will work like fff works now. When i add stuff to my cart it goes to the asmodee store. Not ffg. Even thougj you start at ffg

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Im guessingnit will work like fff works now. When i add stuff to my cart it goes to the asmodee store. Not ffg. Even thougj you start at ffg

Ah Ok, I think I get it, so if I were to order from Edge, it would go through asmodee, like FFG does ? OH good! This makes more sense, but it will have the edge logo, no FFG, that I think will be the only difference.... maybe ?

4 minutes ago, Ni Fang said:

Ah Ok, I think I get it, so if I were to order from Edge, it would go through asmodee, like FFG does ? OH good! This makes more sense, but it will have the edge logo, no FFG, that I think will be the only difference.... maybe ?

probably. Itnis possible that is part of the reprint issue. Logos for print masters need changed.

6 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

probably. Itnis possible that is part of the reprint issue. Logos for print masters need changed.

Well, it doesn't look like Edge's logo is changing, and it's my understanding that it already existed in the regions where Edge handled translation/distribution, so...those maybe already existed even before the restructure?

15 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Well, it doesn't look like Edge's logo is changing, and it's my understanding that it already existed in the regions where Edge handled translation/distribution, so...those maybe already existed even before the restructure?

Im refering to switching from Ffg logo in the print master to edge

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

Im refering to switching from Ffg logo in the print master to edge

Yes, I know. And, as I mentioned, I believe the covers for the existing translation/distribution under their umbrella already has Edge’s logo...the work is already done, those masters already exist.

10 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Yes, I know. And, as I mentioned, I believe the covers for the existing translation/distribution under their umbrella already has Edge’s logo...the work is already done, those masters already exist.

That doesnt help the english version.

Just now, Daeglan said:

That doesnt help the english version.

My understanding is that some are.

But rather than go back and forth on it more, I’ll concede that it must take months to change a single asset in digital files, when the new asset and its parameters already exist within the company.

9 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

My understanding is that some are.

But rather than go back and forth on it more, I’ll concede that it must take months to change a single asset in digital files, when the new asset and its parameters already exist within the company.

You are forgettimg the covid shut down that has backed everythimg up. How long did the Chinese printer shut down? How long was edge shut down? Did they have someone to switch the asset? How long did it take to move all the FFG assets over to Edge? Did they do anything before Sam Stewart was hired? Where are the books in the backlog in China?

There are a lot of moving parts that we have no information on.

Sure the swaapping logo part does not take long. But l the other moving parts we have no info on.

I worked at an advertising company. Swapping the logo is just one small part.