ok where is the best place to post these?

ok these links should work for everybody

01 An empire in Turmiol
https://bit.ly/2ODrr0x

02 A Season Of War
https://bit.ly/2I78sZZ

20 Blind Ambition
https://bit.ly/2I5MGpp

22 A Difference of Lanterns
https://bit.ly/2pqtIBr

23 Family Duty
https://bit.ly/2OJjyqK

Please let me know if there are any mistakes
3 down 9 to go

25 Court Games PDF
4 down 8 to go

https://bit.ly/2xwWncF

28 The Bright Flame Of The Worlds Glory PDF
5 down 7 to go

https://bit.ly/2DnV452

After reading these i'm pretty sure you've got them the wrong way round.

The Bright Flame of the World's Glory

Honor, Loyalty, Duty

Honor, loyalty, duty is planning events that have already happened in the bright flame of the worlds glory

@Maffster , you're brilliant.

I decided to list Honor, Duty, Loyalty after Bright Flame because the former worked better, in my opinion, as a revelation of what happened “behind the scenes” of the latter.

7 hours ago, Manchu said:

I decided to list Honor, Duty, Loyalty after Bright Flame because the former worked better, in my opinion, as a revelation of what happened “behind the scenes” of the latter.

But the problem is that in your opinion it makes The Bright Flame of the World's Glory better

But reading them in your order makes

Honor loyalty duty absolutely pointless.

I kept waiting for something relevant and it never came.

Also when reading the one after I was wondering has the tounament already happened.......... Oh yes it has but while I was reading I wasn't sure where it fit.

To make the bright flames work better by making the next story pointless is a price to high for me to pay

I've reordered my pdf files

I can't for the life of me find any reason to have them in the order you listed

6 hours ago, Manchu said:

I decided to list Honor, Duty, Loyalty after Bright Flame because the former worked better, in my opinion, as a revelation of what happened “behind the scenes” of the latter.

I've just had a shower and as often. Happens in the shower..... Thoughts become clear.

You improved the lion story by pulling the teeth from a scorpion story.

I think this isnt a very honorable thing to do and as such I would suggest that all your lion characters enter play dishonoured until you fix it.

I should expect such behaviour from a lion whos destined for a future of that of a ronin.

Hahahahahaha

I would suggest you take more showers, or longer ones perhaps, that the world may become clearer to you.

In Bright Flame , Yojiro’s comment to Toturi is enigmatic. Toturi has to work out not only the meaning of Yojiro’s words but also what his motives could be. If you have already read Honor, Duty, Loyalty , the tension is spoiled. Reading Bright Flame first, however, does not at all undercut the tension of Honor, Duty, Loyalty - which is less about what Yojiro ultimately decides to do than why he makes that decision.

23 minutes ago, Manchu said:

I would suggest you take more showers, or longer ones perhaps, that the world may become clearer to you.

In Bright Flame , Yojiro’s comment to Toturi is enigmatic. Toturi has to work out not only the meaning of Yojiro’s words but also what his motives could be. If you have already read Honor, Duty, Loyalty , the tension is spoiled. Reading Bright Flame first, however, does not at all undercut the tension of Honor, Duty, Loyalty - which is less about what Yojiro ultimately decides to do than why he makes that decision.

Well I think we're going to have to disagree.

I prefer the chronological order of events.

The tension is completly removed in your order.

Would you find any tension buying a lottery ticket if you already knew the numbers you were picking had already lost

5 hours ago, Manchu said:

I would suggest you take more showers, or longer ones perhaps, that the world may become clearer to you.

In Bright Flame , Yojiro’s comment to Toturi is enigmatic. Toturi has to work out not only the meaning of Yojiro’s words but also what his motives could be. If you have already read Honor, Duty, Loyalty , the tension is spoiled. Reading Bright Flame first, however, does not at all undercut the tension of Honor, Duty, Loyalty - which is less about what Yojiro ultimately decides to do than why he makes that decision.

This is only your opinion

The release order as intended by FFG contradicts you

The timeline in the actual story itself also contradicts you

Kaze no shiro has them listed in the correct order.

Oh well too late now, I hope the rest are in the right order

The tension of HDL lies in how Yojiro will balance his values. The word “character” can refer to a fictional person in a story as well as the elements that make up a personality. HDL is about the character of this character, Yojiro. And knowing that he chose right instead of left, so to speak, is not the key issue. Rather, it is why he chose as he did. By contrast, the tension in Bright Flame turns on the fact that Toturi does not know what Yojiro is trying to do.

By contrast, one’s preference is simply a personal matter.

Anyway moving on

The whole ordeal between Honor, Loyalty, Duty and The Bright Flames of the World's Glory was due to leaks happening back then. Various sources would leak cards as well as entire PDF scans. Many people including Manchu decided to read the scan before the official release date with FFG intending Honor, Loyalty, Duty to be read before purchasing the pack containing the story of the duel. It's just one of those things that Manchu stands by and it'll remain like that since it's his list.

Yes, this is already covered earlier in the thread.

@Manchu I still stand beside you! Perhaps I shall have to do my own PDF compilation after all to maintain the best order... ?

1 hour ago, Kaito Kikaze said:

@Manchu I still stand beside you! Perhaps I shall have to do my own PDF compilation after all to maintain the best order... ?

The best order has to be the events in order that they happened

I'm new to this having bought everything only 4 weeks ago.

Having read the original novels years and years ago I wanted to read the fiction in the best order.

This list seemed ideal but reading in this order ruined HDL (in my opinion) and made it completly pointless. Surely reading about the plan not knowing how the plan turned out just builds the bright flames story even more as you're waiting for the plan to be executed.

I get that the plan is briefly laid out at the start of that story but the full build up was lost.

Reading HDL after Bright flames seems so obviously wrong to me. And is backed up by ffg intended release order and the actual events in the story order.

I get that it's all boils down to opinions but I really did try to get the order perfect before I even read anything and feel a little let down by this list

The point that Toturi didn't know the motives and had to work them out is still true from his point of view even if the reader knows the motives

I feel the build up would have been better the other way.

But hey opinions vary and always will.

If you think the punch line of HDL is what Yojiro decided, I must suggest re-reading it. Over the course of the fiction so far, the major Scorpion theme has been the conflicting visions of Kachiko and Shoju. HDL makes that high-level ideological conflict into a concrete personal story, albeit with important political consequence.

31 minutes ago, Manchu said:

If you think the punch line of HDL is what Yojiro decided, I must suggest re-reading it. Over the course of the fiction so far, the major Scorpion theme has been the conflicting visions of Kachiko and Shoju. HDL makes that high-level ideological conflict into a concrete personal story, albeit with important political consequence.

And it still would have if I'd have read it where it should have been.

The whole planning during the story was weakened knowing it was a failed plan

I do plan on rereading them all again.

I did read bright flames pretty slowly as I was coping it into pdf and I was trying to avoid typos and mistakes

It might be noted I like everything perfect and that's the reason I'm turning the pack inserted fictions into pdf so I have them all uniform

I'm aware I have OCD a little but I'm happy with it. ☺

I've read the first 2 chapters of the sword and the spirit and I'm placing the book just before repentance but I'm wondering if it would be better placed just before Fireflies.

Both Fireflies and the sword and the spirit reference the challenge of the of Tadaka. Maybe it will become clearer as I get further into the book.

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@FantasyFlightGames

This is nonsense. I'm new to all this and it shouldn't be this hard for someone joining this world to find the chronological order to read ALL the fiction.

Can you please just release an official reading order and include EVERYTHING? Rulebooks, Pdfs, pack inserts and the novels. Just put the correct order in a list so a new player can catch up easily. Surely your story team knows the correct order.

Sheeeesh

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It's worth noting that I'm loving what I've read so far but an official order would make so much sense for a new player.

Please take control of the reading order and don't leave it to readers opinions

Thx

If you're really going crazy about chronological order I would advise you read Repentance Comes First before the Epilogue in The Sword and the Spirits.

Honestly if FFG made a reading order list it would all be listed by release date, in which case you'll still get people upset over the order of Fireflies and Sword and the Spirits, even though imo, the "spoilers" of each others plots do not impact the the two stories they are both telling. The stories are going to keep being listed under the opinions of readers until FFG makes a list. And when they do make that list people will probably create blogs or threads about why FFG is wrong and then make their own cherished list.

Also great job in catching up on the story so quickly. If I'm not mistaken I think FFG stated there will be a new story this week.

7 minutes ago, ElSuave said:

If you're really going crazy about chronological order I would advise you read Repentance Comes First before the Epilogue in The Sword and the Spirits.

Honestly if FFG made a reading order list it would all be listed by release date, in which case you'll still get people upset over the order of Fireflies and Sword and the Spirits, even though imo, the "spoilers" of each others plots do not impact the the two stories they are both telling. The stories are going to keep being listed under the opinions of readers until FFG makes a list. And when they do make that list people will probably create blogs or threads about why FFG is wrong and then make their own cherished list.

Also great job in catching up on the story so quickly. If I'm not mistaken I think FFG stated there will be a new story this week.

To be honest the fiction is the main reason I got involved. After reading the novels years ago I've never found anything quite like the l5r world.

Kudos to FFG for how they've taken over. Its becuase its not a ccg that I got involved.

I'd catch up quicker if I wasn't on 10 hour shifts this week but have some days off soon so hope to get completly up to date and hopefully will manage to get the last 6 inserts turned into pdfs.

Massive thanks for info about the epilogue. I'll be sure to skip the epilogue till I've read repentance comes first.

On 9/25/2018 at 7:41 PM, ElSuave said:

If you're   really going crazy about chronological order I would advise you read Repentance Comes First before  the   Epilogue in The Sword  and the  Spirits.

Just finished the book.

Thanks for the heads up about the epilogue. That was the perfect order to read the events.

Why oh why are they releasing the story in such a jigsaw fashion?