9 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

Wedge is less likely to force that spending though?

Less dice rolled means less chance to roll any focus results.

It's about a 10% difference.

5 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

I knew it.... drats!

As far as CSI and Jedi Starfighters, I agree, they do look tempting, but I too can hold out. Plus I'm kinda rather sleepy now anyway.

Sleepy Vader?

3 hours ago, TheOz said:

That cool, if my local tire does it I’m all over that same list with burners on midnight and QuickDraw, everyone gets to boost!

I put optics and fanatical on the fo and sf, and promptly forgot to ever trigger them, so your strategy sounds better.

According to gateofstorm calculator, Wedge with 2 other focussed friends shooting something with 2 green dice and focus deals on average basically the same damage of Luke with TL and the same companions, with the defending ship ending up keeping the focus 25% of the times with Wedge and 20% with Luke.

The difference is basically meaningless IMO.

Assuming Luke gets a lock, the difference between just the two Rebel Heroes is only slightly in favour of Wedge

The difference is one cost 10 less point, has ps 6 and doesn't rely on having to get a lock (which is not always an option against higher ps or when losing the bid) and it's easier to kill.

Luke is a fine pilot, but Wedge at 52 is a ******* steal

https://pinksquadron.dk/pbm/?sid=16&q=pilots

In the PBM data for wave 3 hyperspace events:

Quickdraw is in 74.6% of First Order lists.
Lu'lo is in 73.5% of Resistance lists.
Wedge is in 63.6% of Rebel lists.
Anakin is in 53.0% of Republic lists.
Darth Maul is in 52.8% of Separatist lists.
Fenn Rau is in 50.7% of Scum lists.
Darth Vader is in 47.8% of Empire lists.

22 minutes ago, svelok said:

https://pinksquadron.dk/pbm/?sid=16&q=pilots

In the PBM data for wave 3 hyperspace events:

Quickdraw is in 74.6% of First Order lists.
Lu'lo is in 73.5% of Resistance lists.
Wedge is in 63.6% of Rebel lists.
Anakin is in 53.0% of Republic lists.
Darth Maul is in 52.8% of Separatist lists.
Fenn Rau is in 50.7% of Scum lists.
Darth Vader is in 47.8% of Empire lists.

Of these, how many do we think are problematic, and how many are just the wrong choice people are doubling down on?

Actually, I think maybe just Lulo?

dang it... no, FO QD seems correct because the choices are so low?

47 minutes ago, svelok said:

https://pinksquadron.dk/pbm/?sid=16&q=pilots

In the PBM data for wave 3 hyperspace events:

Quickdraw is in 74.6% of First Order lists.
Lu'lo is in 73.5% of Resistance lists.
Wedge is in 63.6% of Rebel lists.
Anakin is in 53.0% of Republic lists.
Darth Maul is in 52.8% of Separatist lists.
Fenn Rau is in 50.7% of Scum lists.
Darth Vader is in 47.8% of Empire lists.

Additionally; faction popularity:

If all seven factions showed up evenly, you would expect each to be around 14%, right around where Republic (15%) and Resistance (13%) are currently.

2 minutes ago, svelok said:

Additionally; faction popularity:

If all seven factions showed up evenly, you would expect each to be around 14%, right around where Republic (15%) and Resistance (13%) are currently.

Some quick reactions to this data:

Resistance seems lower than I thought, but that's probably just a local meta thing.

Scum and FO don't surprise me by being on the low end: I haven't seen much of them at all or heard much discussion of them.

Rebels probably spiked when Leia got buffed.

Empire seems to be staying steady: I feel like they have plenty of options and a loyal playerbase.

Republic/Separatists are slightly lower than I thought they would be, but maybe more people are just sticking to what they know.

So... are Rebels doing well because so many are using them? Or are so many using them because there is a legitimate imbalance?

2 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

So... are Rebels doing well because so many are using them? Or are so many using them because there is a legitimate imbalance?

Both?

2 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

So... are Rebels doing well because so many are using them? Or are so many using them because there is a legitimate imbalance?

legit imbalance. A lot of their hyperspace ships are just too cheap now; especially the super fat ones so you end up with just... blobs of beef floating about, soaking up damage. They're just efficient, but Leia pushes them over the edge. into "needs adjustment" tier.

24 minutes ago, ThinkingB said:

legit imbalance. A lot of their hyperspace ships are just too cheap now; especially the super fat ones so you end up with just... blobs of beef floating about, soaking up damage. They're just efficient, but Leia pushes them over the edge. into "needs adjustment" tier.

Leia is too cheap. It was an over correction. The "beef" however doesn’t feel over good on first glance without Leia around. Solid, yes.

I got caught in a Guri off tonight. Rhetorically: what can I throw out? We need to go lighter. Virago isn’t worth more than 10 points of bid, and that is a sane and rational decision.

1 hour ago, AEIllingworth said:

I got caught in a Guri off tonight. Rhetorically: what can I throw out? We need to go lighter. Virago isn’t worth more than 10 points of bid, and that is a sane and rational decision.

I really have 3 price points that I like to build Guri- High 50's, low 70's, and high 90's/low 100's.

For the low 70's, I take

- Fearless (3)

- Documentation that changes her name to 'Fenn Rau' (5)

That's a nice, cheap, 71 point "guri" that doesn't need a bid to move after every i5 ship.

6 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

I really have 3 price points that I like to build Guri- High 50's, low 70's, and high 90's/low 100's.

For the low 70's, I take

- Fearless (3)

- Documentation that changes her name to 'Fenn Rau' (5)

That's a nice, cheap, 71 point "guri" that doesn't need a bid to move after every i5 ship.

Neat!

8 hours ago, LagJanson said:

Leia is too cheap. It was an over correction. The "beef" however doesn’t feel over good on first glance without Leia around. Solid, yes.

I don't know, I feel like Leia has made just every random rebel beef good, but Leialess proper rebel lists were doing well in the broken fiesta that was pre point changes extended so while Leia definitely made the average rebel list way better than it should I won't dismiss 4 ship rebels as being good only because of Leia.

Right now you can just throw Wedge, Leia and 2 other random ships and you get an above average HS list, but in a meta where Leia costs 4-5 or more you should still be able to throw Wedge, 2-3 Bs and 0-1 Y and still having a top tier list

3 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

I don't know, I feel like Leia has made just every random rebel beef good, but Leialess proper rebel lists were doing well in the broken fiesta that was pre point changes extended so while Leia definitely made the average rebel list way better than it should I won't dismiss 4 ship rebels as being good only because of Leia.

Right now you can just throw Wedge, Leia and 2 other random ships and you get an above average HS list, but in a meta where Leia costs 4-5 or more you should still be able to throw Wedge, 2-3 Bs and 0-1 Y and still having a top tier list

You misunderstood.

I said the list was solid without Leia. It’s good. Needs a little more thought on when to toss that Kturn around when you sacrifice mods.

Er... your example of a top tier list has an issue though. Wedge, 2 Bs and a Y would need space walker Leia, and she’s Resistance not Rebel.

13 hours ago, svelok said:

https://pinksquadron.dk/pbm/?sid=16&q=pilots

In the PBM data for wave 3 hyperspace events:

Quickdraw is in 74.6% of First Order lists.
Lu'lo is in 73.5% of Resistance lists.
Wedge is in 63.6% of Rebel lists.
Anakin is in 53.0% of Republic lists.
Darth Maul is in 52.8% of Separatist lists.
Fenn Rau is in 50.7% of Scum lists.
Darth Vader is in 47.8% of Empire lists.

Basically, almost every empire list is Vader + friends, or tie swarm, with only a VERY small % that aren't either of those two.

13 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Basically, almost every empire list is Vader + friends, or tie swarm, with only a VERY small % that aren't either of those two.

And every one of those Vader lists are cool.

14 hours ago, svelok said:

https://pinksquadron.dk/pbm/?sid=16&q=pilots

In the PBM data for wave 3 hyperspace events: 

Quickdraw is in 74.6% of First Order lists.
Lu'lo is in 73.5% of Resistance lists.
Wedge is in 63.6% of Rebel lists.
Anakin is in 53.0% of Republic lists.
Darth Maul is in 52.8% of Separatist lists.
Fenn Rau is in 50.7% of Scum lists.
Darth Vader is in 47.8% of Empire lists.

The numbers are similar but not identical. Probably because I only include tournaments with enough lists.

Here's the full album. I'm not sure how big the cost/benefit ratio is if I write it up in a thread, and there's always the chance of causing more harm when sharing these things too early. Anyway, I trust most people in this thread enough to not misinterpret.

27 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

And every one of those Vader lists are cool.

I agree.

29 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

And every one of those Vader lists are cool.

But Howlrunner is waifu...

14 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Anyway, I trust most people in this thread enough to not misinterpret.

your faith in your friends is your weakness

15 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

According to gateofstorm calculator, Wedge with 2 other focussed friends shooting something with 2 green dice and focus deals on average basically the same damage of Luke with TL and the same companions, with the defending ship ending up keeping the focus 25% of the times with Wedge and 20% with Luke.

The difference is basically meaningless IMO.

Assuming Luke gets a lock, the difference between just the two Rebel Heroes is only slightly in favour of Wedge

The difference is one cost 10 less point, has ps 6 and doesn't rely on having to get a lock (which is not always an option against higher ps or when losing the bid) and it's easier to kill.

Luke is a fine pilot, but Wedge at 52 is a ******* steal

Wedge just dies though. Luke should make it to the end of the game almost every time.

29 minutes ago, Chumbalaya said:

I agree.

I to also agree.