12 hours ago, Brunas said:

Anakin Skywalker (60)
R4-P17 (5)
Delta-7B (18)
Afterburners (6)

104th Battalion Pilot (42)

104th Battalion Pilot (42)

Gold Squadron Trooper (25)
Total: 198

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

IMO

Doesn't 1 of the ARCs get dangerously close to getting PS killed by a TIE swarm? Especially the swarm tactics ones. Which means you trade badly. So Anakin is left with too much of a job to do?

Random thought while playing them: The 3-force Jedis are as much fun to play (and imo too strong...) because they can do sloops/kturns without consequences.

e: Also, after 3,5 months of exclusively playing an i5 and i3s with 4health: holy crap is that refreshingly easy to play an i6 ace with double repositioning AND mods!

Triple Aethersprites is so similar to the Vader Inq QD list I played back in 1.0, I'm so in!

3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Random thought while playing them: The 3-force Jedis are as much fun to play (and imo too strong...) because they can do sloops/kturns without consequences.

e: Also, after 3,5 months of exclusively playing an i5 and i3s with 4health: holy crap is that refreshingly easy to play an i6 ace with double repositioning AND mods!

Triple Aethersprites is so similar to the Vader Inq QD list I played back in 1.0, I'm so in!

I know how you feel. After several moths of playing i4 3 hp interceptors, I started messing around with X-wings for the first time in 2.0. It's just so much more relaxing, especially Luke, where he just has mods no matter what.

Even cooler, all Jedi now succumb to the force power of Hate when it comes to blanks.

It doesn't modify any dice, but they can still feel it.

8 hours ago, Smudger13 said:

Ok so the Kylo + 3 looks really interesting. How have you got the loadout on these 4?

I swap between Null & Longshot. Sometimes ill drop BD Gunner for just Fanatical/Optics which frees up some pts.

Can also go with just Fanatical on BD, no upgardes on Scorch ( which feels bad dropping Optics from Kylo helps ), and Crackshot Malarus ( kinda FO Countdown ).

80 pt Kylo is by far my favorite Kylo build, has decent matchups, and takes just the right amount of 🤔 to keep my attention.

Backdraft is solid because he doesn't get init killed immediately as easily. I kinda wanna give Kylo, Malarus, Scorch, Midnight a try or just Kylo, FCS Quickdraw, Midnight, Null.

Not sure where all this lands competitively but its good to test.

25 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

I swap between Null & Longshot. Sometimes ill drop BD Gunner for just Fanatical/Optics which frees up some pts.

Can also go with just Fanatical on BD, no upgardes on Scorch ( which feels bad dropping Optics from Kylo helps ), and Crackshot Malarus ( kinda FO Countdown ).

80 pt Kylo is by far my favorite Kylo build, has decent matchups, and takes just the right amount of 🤔 to keep my attention.

Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 80
Half Points: 40 Threshold: 3
“Backdraft” — TIE/SF Fighter	41
Special Forces Gunner	10
Ship Total: 51
Half Points: 26 Threshold: 3
“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter	35
Fanatical	2
Ship Total: 37
Half Points: 19 Threshold: 2
“Null” — TIE/FO Fighter	31
Ship Total: 31
Half Points: 16 Threshold: 2

Backdraft is solid because he doesn't get init killed immediately as easily. I kinda wanna give Kylo, Malarus, Scorch, Midnight a try though or just Kylo, FCS Quickdraw, Midnight, Null.

I know that you can't fit the points for the glory of SNR, but applying a 4 pts upgrade before Hate is just insulting.

2 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

I know that you can't fit the points for the glory of SNR, but applying a 4 pts upgrade before Hate is just insulting.

I disagree. Also dropping SNR was the best thing I ever did for FO. Makes Kylo alot more interesting.

55 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

I swap between Null & Longshot. Sometimes ill drop BD Gunner for just Fanatical/Optics which frees up some pts.

Can also go with just Fanatical on BD, no upgardes on Scorch ( which feels bad dropping Optics from Kylo helps ), and Crackshot Malarus ( kinda FO Countdown ).

80 pt Kylo is by far my favorite Kylo build, has decent matchups, and takes just the right amount of 🤔 to keep my attention.

Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Advanced Optics	4
Ship Total: 80
Half Points: 40 Threshold: 3
“Backdraft” — TIE/SF Fighter	41
Special Forces Gunner	10
Ship Total: 51
Half Points: 26 Threshold: 3
“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter	35
Fanatical	2
Ship Total: 37
Half Points: 19 Threshold: 2
“Null” — TIE/FO Fighter	31
Ship Total: 31
Half Points: 16 Threshold: 2

Backdraft is solid because he doesn't get init killed immediately as easily. I kinda wanna give Kylo, Malarus, Scorch, Midnight a try or just Kylo, FCS Quickdraw, Midnight, Null.

Not sure where all this lands competitively but its good to test.

When I play FO I use very similar list. Except Adv.Optics is a trap on Kylo, so I use Hate

What has your experience been with Backdraft and SF Gunner - do you get you 10 points worth?

1 hour ago, Transmogrifier said:

What has your experience been with Backdraft and SF Gunner - do you get you 10 points worth?

For me its been a toss up. People tend to target BD early, so gunner helps me put dmg down before the rear arc gets going, that might just be a perception thing though. I like Gunner alot but its not necessary. I run alot of Kylo QD BD as well and typically include Gunner there.

1 hour ago, Oldpara said:

When I play FO I use very similar list. Except Adv.Optics is a trap on Kylo, so I use Hate

There fun lists right? I just like the 80% 3 hits and the way optics encourages me to focus more often which helps out on defense. Its nice not being dependent on locks for consistent offense since I never bid with FO and the meta is filled with I5. I also run a bit of instinctive aim optics torps which has been very reliable for me. Hates real good to no doubt, but I feel like I get consistent value from Optics to.

23 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

There fun lists right? I just like the 80% 3 hits

3 red dice with Focus + 2 Force + Optics is 2,828 expected hits while 3 red dice with 2 Force and TL is 2,790 expected hits. So why pay 4 pts?

9 minutes ago, Oldpara said:

3 red dice with Focus + 2 Force + Optics is 2,828 expected hits while 3 red dice with 2 Force and TL is 2,790 expected hits. So why pay 4 pts?

So i dont have to TL against i5 and i6 and not sweat the bid. I get it though Hate lets you spend force more freely. There many times with Kylo that TL boost isnt an option so you tend to focus boost anyway if that makes sense.

@Oldpara Also can we talk about Talonbane??? Congrats on your run at Adepticon.

Iv run him with Fearless sometimes with Burners. The slow dial makes the burners feel bad though.

Other times I have run Lone Wolf Prockets which felt great but hilariously over invested, the rest of the List tends to want to be R1 so the 4 pts into Wolfs seems wasted.

Any alternate Bane Builds you have messed with? Any value to contraband or cloak?

4 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

I disagree. Also dropping SNR was the best thing I ever did for FO. Makes Kylo alot more interesting.

I also like actually playing the game

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

@Oldpara Also can we talk about Talonbane??? Congrats on your run at Adepticon.

Iv run him with Fearless sometimes with Burners. The slow dial makes the burners feel bad though.

Other times I have run Lone Wolf Prockets which felt great but hilariously over invested, the rest of the List tends to want to be R1 so the 4 pts into Wolfs seems wasted.

Any alternate Bane Builds you have messed with? Any value to contraband or cloak?

Thank you.

Slow dial and no boost makes him easy to catch, so if you build list with him he needs to be cheap and least valuable/threatening target.

Usually I play him slowly to benefit from his 4 greens at r3 and then zoom in from behind to hit with 5 dices. 5 single moded dices hits like double modded Proton Torpedo, so if he's able to deliver it twice usually means he pays his cost.

He's not power piece, I would say tier2 at most, but in certain squads he can shine. I've made the Cut in 2 SOS using Talonbane this season (Polish SOS and Adepticon SOS). 1st Scum Junk (Talonbane, Palob, Unkar, L3-37, Quinn Jast) 2nd Super Ketsu/Teroch/Talonbane so apparently there are squads he fits nicely

Edit: and as for Cybernetics barely see any use of this thing. You pay 5pts for one use only/one ship Leia-like ability when Rebels have it for 2 points for whole squad every 3 turns 😕

Cloak is in the same situation: only use is for Unkar who might wants to stay cloacked and tracotr things. Overcosted.

20 hours ago, MegaSilver said:

As the person that flew 7B Obi and 3 ARCs at Hyperspace Qualifier at Adepticon:

ARCs are great at being tanky and getting in the way. They hit hard. Obi as an i5 3 force arc dodger is a solid flanker. Doesn't do anything fancy but doesn't really need too.

I'm not seeing that in listfortress (is there a search function on that site, or is "fortress" a mission statement?), so i have two questions:

1: how'd it do?

2: did you use the last 4 points?

3 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

I'm not seeing that in listfortress (is there a search function on that site, or is "fortress" a mission statement?), so i have two questions:

1: how'd it do?

2: did you use the last 4 points?

1. 5-1, though one of those wins was due to a concession.

2. It was my bid.

11 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

I'm not seeing that in listfortress

Qualifiers are AFAIK not entered because there's not that much value in that information

9 hours ago, MegaSilver said:

1. 5-1, though one of those wins was due to a concession.

2. It was my bid.

Guessing that 7B Obiwan is better than CLT Anakin.

6 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Qualifiers are AFAIK not entered because there's not that much value in that information

Not that much value in the biggest Hyperspace event since the new wave came out? Interesting...

5 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Not that much value in the biggest Hyperspace event since the new wave came out? Interesting...

The format means the only real data you get is who goes undefeated and even then there's edge cases.

1 minute ago, skotothalamos said:

Not that much value in the biggest Hyperspace event since the new wave came out? Interesting...

Well, the format is rather odd. The 6-0 requirement means a lot of players drop after a loss that would normally still be in the running in any other event.

18 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Not that much value in the biggest Hyperspace event since the new wave came out? Interesting...

Yes, because it is not at all comparable to the trials. That means at worst people mix it with trials and draw completely false conclusions

14 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Well, the format is rather odd. The 6-0 requirement means a lot of players drop after a loss that would normally still be in the running in any other event.

Yeah, I lost my first game and won the next two. Then I dropped because I’d had enough X-Wing for the day when there was plenty else to do with my time. Not much point in continuing, unlike a regular Swiss.

33 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Yeah, I lost my first game and won the next two. Then I dropped because I’d had enough X-Wing for the day when there was plenty else to do with my time. Not much point in continuing, unlike a regular Swiss.

Got the bye, lost game two, dropped immediately to go play hangar bays.