2 hours ago, LagJanson said:

Good job! There isn’t too many lists these days in Hyperspace that don’t feel like they pair up badly to something.

WHY CANT I JUST HAVE A LOST THAT IS GOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING?!

HYPERSPACE IS BAD!

18 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

WHY CANT I JUST HAVE A LOST THAT IS GOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING?!

Oh, I'm sure you can get a loss against everything if you try hard enough...

6 hours ago, Darth Seridur said:

I pretty much took the 2 best elements of it!

The list is less fun that 4 ship Vader where you have a Striker, a Tie fighter and Vermiel/Marek. Was experimenting heavily with that a while back, but just felt i didnt like certain matchups.

Ahh...see, connecting forum names to real people means so much. I've known of you from PhilGC's blog for a long time. Congrats!

51 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

WHY CANT I JUST HAVE A LOST THAT IS GOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING?!

HYPERSPACE IS BAD!

Unironically my standard list building methodology is to get a list with a solid chance against everything, bypassing lists that are awesome against 80% of the field with 1 or 2 bad matchups. I dunno, I'm happy to work for all my games if I don't get matchup screwed.

Just now, Biophysical said:

Unironically my standard list building methodology is to get a list with a solid chance against everything, bypassing lists that are awesome against 80% of the field with 1 or 2 bad matchups. I dunno, I'm happy to work for all my games if I don't get matchup screwed.

Having a ‘solid’ matchup against the field is a fine strategy... as long as ‘solid’ doesn’t mean ‘above 60% against all lists forever’ which implies the list is busted.

Basically, I think people are not used to having to work for their wins, and when they do, they feel they weren’t ‘favored’ enough, which is code for ‘I want to autopilot some games’

7 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Basically, I think people are not used to having to work for their wins, and when they do, they feel they were hosed by dice.

FTFY.

I don't know, in most games than not right now "working for the win" usually means to just roll better than your opponent...

2 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

I don't know, in most games than not right now "working for the win" usually means to just roll better than your opponent...

That kind of statement feels like you're playing a different game than I am. Like, you're jousting a ton.

2 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

WHY CANT I JUST HAVE A LOST THAT IS GOOD AGAINST EVERYTHING?!

Just dodge the hard matchups!!!

2 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

I don't know, in most games than not right now "working for the win" usually means to just roll better than your opponent...

Sounds like a joust between near parity lists... I've definitely played in some games where dice feel like they've been big, but even in those I can look at positioning and see things that one of us have done wrong. I'm not saying dice can't decide a game, they certainly can and have, but most are decided by the maneuvers.

5 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

I don't know, in most games than not right now "working for the win" usually means to just roll better than your opponent...

I'm going to have to agree with Boom here - maybe you're running into a lot of equal jousting lists (it sounds like you're playing a jousting list).

I know my team's games at KC didn't feel like that, and I can sort of speak for Paul too a bit (we debriefed some after the team swiss).

Maneuvering felt like the most important part of the game all weekend, win or lose.

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

FTFY.

That's why I play Han. Can always look at the dice and say "Nope!"

8 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Maneuvering felt like the most important part of the game all weekend, win or lose.

That was my experience. Of my two losses, it really came down the maneuvering. I mean one was a bad matchup, but a wrong choice on a key turn didn't do me any favors and the other it was a double edged sword: my great moves put me ahead and then I threw away that lead with an bad one.

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

my great moves put me ahead and then I threw away that lead with an bad one.

I wasn't at Krayt Cup, but I did that this weekend, too!

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

Having a ‘solid’ matchup against the field is a fine strategy... as long as ‘solid’ doesn’t mean ‘above 60% against all lists forever’ which implies the list is busted.

Basically, I think people are not used to having to work for their wins, and when they do, they feel they weren’t ‘favored’ enough, which is code for ‘I want to autopilot some games’

I was promised that if i flew a fat turret i could be hopped up on meds and not practice and still win. I feel cheated, 2.0 is a lie

Just now, catachanninja said:

I was promised that if i flew a fat turret i could be hopped up on meds and not practice and still win. I feel cheated, 2.0 is a lie

YOU'VE BECOME THE VERY THING YOU SWORE TO DESTROY!

1 hour ago, Biophysical said:

Unironically my standard list building methodology is to get a list with a solid chance against everything, bypassing lists that are awesome against 80% of the field with 1 or 2 bad matchups. I dunno, I'm happy to work for all my games if I don't get matchup screwed.

I'm torn because I like to do the same. But it turns out that statistically it's a way better strategy to just not pull that bad matchup twice in swiss...

18 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I'm going to have to agree with Boom here - maybe you're running into a lot of equal jousting lists (it sounds like you're playing a jousting list).

I know my team's games at KC didn't feel like that, and I can sort of speak for Paul too a bit (we debriefed some after the team swiss).

Maneuvering felt like the most important part of the game all weekend, win or lose.

I’ve been informed by reliable sources that rolling natties is a legitimate strategy...

But for real, thanks to everyone who helped run Krayt Cup! I haven’t been able to go, so I appreciate the streams and discussion coming out of it. Hoping for a fifth year of the most prestigious tournament so that I can finally attend and meet more of the community!

When dice have decided my games, it's been because my opponent and I achieved parity in the awfulness of our errors.

36 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

I was promised that if i flew a fat turret i could be hopped up on meds and not practice and still win. I feel cheated, 2.0 is a lie

If this who I think it is, your mistake was not running Luke Gunner. That took no practice.

If a player makes a high-risk high-reward play, and the dice punish or reward it, is that "dice deciding the game"?

1 hour ago, Tlfj200 said:

YOU'VE BECOME THE VERY THING YOU SWORE TO DESTROY!

I'm so sad no one threw this at me when i was running miranda and we were having this conversation for real

TIE Salad is my new favorite Empire list:

TIE Salad (199)
Darth Vader — TIE Advanced x1	65
Hate	3
Afterburners	6
Ship Total: 74
Half Points: 37 Threshold: 3
 	
Major Vermeil — TIE Reaper	49
Ship Total: 49
Half Points: 25 Threshold: 4
 	
Gideon Hask — TIE/ln Fighter	30
Ship Total: 30
Half Points: 15 Threshold: 2
 	
Academy Pilot — TIE/ln Fighter	23
Ship Total: 23
Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2
 	
Academy Pilot — TIE/ln Fighter	23
Ship Total: 23
Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2

12 minutes ago, impspy said:

TIE Salad is my new favorite Empire list:

TIE Salad (199)
Darth Vader — TIE Advanced x1	65
Hate	3
Afterburners	6
Ship Total: 74
Half Points: 37 Threshold: 3
 	
Major Vermeil — TIE Reaper	49
Ship Total: 49
Half Points: 25 Threshold: 4
 	
Gideon Hask — TIE/ln Fighter	30
Ship Total: 30
Half Points: 15 Threshold: 2
 	
Academy Pilot — TIE/ln Fighter	23
Ship Total: 23
Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2
 	
Academy Pilot — TIE/ln Fighter	23
Ship Total: 23
Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2

bUt eMpIrE iS gArBaGe iN hYpErSpAcE!

1 hour ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

If this who I think it is, your mistake was not running Luke Gunner. That took no practice.

Last round, I put our empire player (TIE salad) against a seemingly innocent Han Wedge list, which the empire list usually dumpsters.

EZ.

...After we finish pairing and set up, my empire player looks at me and says "he has luke gunner".


...Oh.

(Luke gunner does, in fact, make vader nervous.)