Day-old takes:

Rebels - Are people going to realize that Leia Falcon was good all along?

Imperials - Good God. All my favorite obnoxious ships got cheaper and/or HS legal. Inquisitors went up an inconsequential amount. Soontir +1 LOL. Interceptors and v1s in HS! *spaceship noises*

Scum - Really happy with the HS additions but I don't think the power lists were affected at all here.

CIS - Going a season of HS with limited Tac Relay access has taught people that they are nice but not essential. The price increases on Tac Relays and Vultures seem to just underline what we've already learned: Hyena-based lists are very good, just mix in whatever other toys you want that will fit and let Networked Calculations do its thing. I'm interested to see what enterprising people do with the Nantex, but I have a hard time caring about the non Mindlinked Networked ships.

Republic - Torrents back in HS is great, particularly with reality-based points costs. I'm enjoying the bottom tier generics being left out of HS for certain factions. I don't play Republic but I got more than I expected here in terms of sensible points adjustments.

First Order - I don't fly FO but these changes all seem reasonable. Cheap i1 Silencers is cool - I'm curious to see how they match up against CIS swarms.

Resistance - Fine I guess? Not much HS churn, which is boring, but given the 2.0 ship pool is not super surprising. I wish Nien got cycled out of HS but whatever.

Generic Upgrades - new scaling on Passive Sensors is cool. Not sure Proton Rockets or Plasma Torpedoes needed to be cheaper. Glad to see Marksmanship added to HS.

35 minutes ago, Transmogrifier said:

Rebels - Are people going to realize that Leia Falcon was good all along?

She 6 points cheaper than Lando (because Nien). In a vacuum, her force gives her essentially a calculate and an action, while Lando is usually focus and an action while being more predictable. She probably is good, we just haven't paid attention.

46 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

She 6 points cheaper than Lando (because Nien). In a vacuum, her force gives her essentially a calculate and an action, while Lando is usually focus and an action while being more predictable. She probably is good, we just haven't paid attention.

@catachanninja pays a lot of attention.

Will the ordnance changes affect Hyperspace in any meaningful way? Do they represent any kind of credible threat to Boba? Can Passive Sensor TIE/v1 Barons and TIE/sf Zetas make Boba scared for R3 or is it too easy just to opt out with Slave I?

Will the VCX be a relevant addition? Will multi-large-ship lists be oppressive or even meaningful?

Is V-19 Odd Ball okay-ish now? Will Odd Ball Synchronized with 3 Dedicated Missile Torrents plus CLT R5 Heightened Obi-Wan actually work as a list?

This Hyperspace season seems very HYPE

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Will the ordnance changes affect Hyperspace in any meaningful way? Do they represent any kind of credible threat to Boba? Can Passive Sensor TIE/v1 Barons and TIE/sf Zetas make Boba scared for R3 or is it too easy just to opt out with Slave I?

Will the VCX be a relevant addition? Will multi-large-ship lists be oppressive or even meaningful?

Is V-19 Odd Ball okay-ish now? Will Odd Ball Synchronized with 3 Dedicated Missile Torrents plus CLT R5 Heightened Obi-Wan actually work as a list?

This Hyperspace season seems very HYPE

I'm at least curious about Oddball w/ Ion Missiles or Mag Pulse because that might be worth it, but not into a full sync console squad. That Oddball with either missile could slot in well in a 5 ship Republic, problem is I don't know if 5 ship Republic can be made well besides Knightside (4 CLT Knights and Broadside). 4 ship has been it's bread and butter in hyperspace for awhile in terms of salad squads.

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Will the ordnance changes affect Hyperspace in any meaningful way? Do they represent any kind of credible threat to Boba? Can Passive Sensor TIE/v1 Barons and TIE/sf Zetas make Boba scared for R3 or is it too easy just to opt out with Slave I?

Will the VCX be a relevant addition? Will multi-large-ship lists be oppressive or even meaningful?

Is V-19 Odd Ball okay-ish now? Will Odd Ball Synchronized with 3 Dedicated Missile Torrents plus CLT R5 Heightened Obi-Wan actually work as a list?

This Hyperspace season seems very HYPE

Unthought about responses from the top of my largely ignorant head.

Not much difference in missiles for me. I've used Inqs with them a fair bit and like anything, they want the mods stacked up to actually be significant, if the minimal price drop doesn't enable more efficient fire, then it basically does nothing. With Boba in particular, yeah, opt out, range jump, lean on wingmen to reduce opposition- same, same, same.

VCX. Maybe, maybe not, I'm not familiar enough with variant builds. However, most of the power cards seem to be missing for it to actually shine like it occasionally can. Suspicion- it'll still melt fast and not have the access to ULTUMATE DAMUGE MODE to make it worth sacrificing. Maybe Ezra has something up his sleeve.

10 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:

I've used Inqs with them a fair bit and like anything, they want the mods stacked up to actually be significant, if the minimal price drop doesn't enable more efficient fire, then it basically does nothing.

What's significant to me is the difference between focused 2-dice attacks and focused 3-dice attacks that deny range bonus. Odd Ball got dropped something like 6 points, which is kind of significant. Blue Squadron Escort also dropped one, and both were added to Hyperspace. With a list like this:

"Odd Ball" (31)
Mag-Pulse Warheads (6)
Synchronized Console (1)
Ship total: 38

3x Blue Squadron Protector (26)
Dedicated (1)
Concussion Missiles (6)
Synchronized Console (1)
Ship total: 34 x 3

Obi-Wan Kenobi (49)
Heightened Perception (3)
R5 Astromech (4)
Calibrated Laser Targeting (4)
Ship total: 60

Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Republic&d=v8ZhZ200Z316XW311W211Y320X210W99W211Y320X210W99W211Y320X210W99W211Y278X72W6W200W&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

You can get some pretty favorable opening engagements. It only depends on one I5 lock (which is pretty flexible for Odd Ball, or else Kickback at I4) and you get a Mag pulse followed by three focused concussions. Obi-Wan can open at I7, Odd Ball Depletes, then when Boba shoots back he's on reduced dice and jammed against defensive re-rolls, and then 3 more 3-attacks go into him.

Not saying it's good but it definitely feels more like it could be than before.

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Not saying it's good but it definitely feels more like it could be than before.

Seems worth a try. Might be an alright list against general opposition.

Ideal situation of catching a Boba in all your arcs and chaining the lock is going to be decent ofc. But Boba is still largely going to have to opt into it, while his wingmate/s are failing to pile crits into them.

For his part, he'll likely jump into R1 when he chooses to, dodging some fire and assisting in the straight up demolition of a Blue. He may come away with barely a scratch and go hide for a turn or two. His friends are a notable 50% of the list after all.

You could end up going rapidly downhill from that point and having a fair number of charges still showing yellow at the end.

I believe Bobas least favourite thing is persistent R2, 3 dice attacks. He just gets to choose his engage against something that needs to set up a one/two round punch. At R3/R1, he gets to play the game he wants, I think the Torrents lack the mobility to consistently hound him/hold him off.

Seriously though, I don't tech for Boba, (not that you're necessarily doing that). Some things are going to be particularly bad against him, but a decently balanced list can always make a game player vs player, rather than list vs list. If your tech squads big bugbear isn't Boba, it's going to be something else.

5 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Is V-19 Odd Ball okay-ish now? Will Odd Ball Synchronized with 3 Dedicated Missile Torrents plus CLT R5 Heightened Obi-Wan actually work as a list?

With Concussion and not Homing Missiles... I'm skeptical.

A Dedicated Blue is fairly cheap for 3-dice single-mod attacks at 34 points, and they do ignore the R3 defensive bonus, but not so cheap that I'm convinced. Strikers, Interceptors, and Ion Scyks are all 3-red ships for 31 points, with their own quirks. Dedicated Torrents ought to be a little tougher, but they've got to go through so much work to get their 3rd attack die that I'm just not sure.

Now, running a bunch of Dedicated Blues without missiles or SynCon? That's a lot of toughness for 27 points.

35 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Now, running a bunch of Dedicated Blues without missiles or SynCon? That's a lot of toughness for 27 points.

I've been toying around with an Extended list of 7B Obi-Wan and 4 Dedicated Blues for a while now with reasonable results, and can confirm they are indeed tough little monsters.

Not sure how to convert it to Hyperspace, though, as it rather relies on Obi-Wan's 7B to act as the hammer to the Blue anvil.

Goji and cluster mines: does any single cluster mine token trigger his ability or it just count as 1 mine regardless how many tokens are on the mat?

The former seems silly but I need a stronger argument to repel my degenerate buddies constant quest of trying to break the game

4 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Goji and cluster mines: does any single cluster mine token trigger his ability or it just count as 1 mine regardless how many tokens are on the mat?

The former seems silly but I need a stronger argument to repel my degenerate buddies constant quest of trying to break the game

Neither! Goji was errata'd to only work with friendly bombs, not mines. 😉

EDIT: Until that errata, though, he would indeed have counted each individual cluster mine token as a separate mine. I suspect the errata was specifically aimed at stopping that.

On 7/28/2020 at 6:35 PM, Boom Owl said:

Hyperspace still looks fun.

It's coming form inside the fort!

40 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

It's coming form inside the fort!

Im really far behind. Still sifting through new hyper pts mostly blissfully unaware of the new words on the horizon.

On 7/29/2020 at 8:46 AM, 5050Saint said:

She 6 points cheaper than Lando (because Nien). In a vacuum, her force gives her essentially a calculate and an action, while Lando is usually focus and an action while being more predictable. She probably is good, we just haven't paid attention.

On 7/29/2020 at 9:33 AM, RStan said:

@catachanninja pays a lot of attention.

The bigger issue is and may still be, can rebels compete with the rest of the meta. Boba fenn is still around, vultures will still exist, i'm not sure what the matchup for Leia centered lists against broadside and 4 jedi is, and that's before i look at anything else. Obviously Leia completely comically dumps on triple first order (Git gud nathan) (or am i supposed to say it's a bad match-up for me to look good? i'm rusty at public displays of boisterousness). Ramble aside, i've had Leia circled since she got printed and i'm not complaining about the extra points.

18 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Dedicated Torrents ought to be a little tougher, but they've got to go through so much work to get their 3rd attack die that I'm just not sure.

Fair, but with SC at 1 point, it's a better deal than PS as long as you have just one I5 in the list (who can take Mag-Pulse instead!). Odd Ball is almost starting to look like kind of a good deal...

Also a Concussion Blue initiative-kills Vultures, so there's that.

I guess it's time for 3.0

please don't, it's really not the moment

"the website says your gonna talk about hyperspace" - Off Screen Guy 7/30/2020

29 minutes ago, Kyle Ren said:

I guess it's time for 3.0

13 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

please don't, it's really not the moment

It's fine.

*giggles*

1 hour ago, Kyle Ren said:

I guess it's time for 3.0

But he can’t be in all those places at once! That’s not how the game works!

Oh, sorry... not sure what I was channeling there. Anyway, there’s a few combo looking things I’m watching. With little interest. If somebody starts screaming OP I might look up... or maybe not.

Will buy a couple more ships for the shelf though...

2 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

But he can’t be in all those places at once! That’s not how the game works!

He can, however, only be in all those places twice a game. Supernatural Kylo this is not.

1 minute ago, DR4CO said:

He can, however, only be in all those places twice a game. Supernatural Kylo this is not.

How many times does he need to be? Black One was a one time use card and proved effective and worth the price. All comes down to the points, of course.

14 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

He can, however, only be in all those places twice a game

how do you figure?

1 minute ago, svelok said:

how do you figure?

After two, Wedge vaporized Poe.