4 hours ago, svelok said:
movement map for bb8 + black one + daredevil + overdrive thrusters
Is this with Daredevil as a 2nd action, as in do a roll, then do a Daredevil 2 hard?
Because he can't do that. Daredevil requires a white boost, so can't be linked into.
I mean, honestly, I can't tell, it's like trying to find where Wally is in there 😅
24 minutes ago, svelok said:it seems kind of bad on poe - the loss of flexibility from the "must" factor, yknow?
but other pilots, who can take daredevil to trigger it in a controlled way (potentially plus bb8), or use the s-foils linked red roll, and in particular nien seem more fitting
6 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:I think current poe will like it most, because you can barrel > focus if you want short or focus > barrel if you want long. (Or any other actions) The boost > barrel or barrel > boost is going to be tricky to even think through for a while though.
I don't know. I've put some templates down and it seems like it's pretty trivial for Poe to arc dodge with one 2-speed reposition in situations which would currently require double reposition. I'm also thinking about times when he's skirting the inside of an obstacle and the opponent figures they know where he's heading, but then he focus/lock -> BR to the other side of the obstacle. It seems like it enables him safely slow-roll more. Currently, he slow rolls and gets caught in a bunch of arcs. Later, he slow rolls and and decides to go fast "later".
This is all just with R4 in mind. BB-8...with Primed Thrusters? I don't know how much he'll shoot the opposition, but that'll be a 90+ point Poe-INT fortress which will never give you quality shot.
He might end up hosed from time to time because of the "must", but I figure good Poe players will learn from that and how to avoid those situations.
3 minutes ago, Cuz05 said:Is this with Daredevil as a 2nd action, as in do a roll, then do a Daredevil 2 hard?
so walking through the options
move 2 forwards
and you get to choose from all of these end results when you activate, off a single dialed maneuver, and anyways I hope this card is 70 points or epic only
11 minutes ago, svelok said:and you get to choose from all of these end results when you activate, off a single dialed maneuver, and anyways I hope this card is 70 points or epic only
Ah cool (not cool). I got a bit confused without the pre-move ship positions.
He still only has 2 green dice, I guess 😂😭
At least with most of these options, he's looking for outside sources on dice mods. Generally doesn't pan out amazing when, for all your squirrelling, all of your dice suck.
I'd also add, as vague encouragement, that I play around a fair bit with movement action stacks and often realise, after a bunch of shenanigans, I could have arrived pretty much in the same spot with a simple 3 bank into a focus, with a bit of forward thinking 
Hey I just realized that bb Astro is in hyper. Combine it with a 1 point reduction to Poe, and...
14 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Hey I just realized that bb Astro is in hyper. Combine it with a 1 point reduction to Poe, and...
Hah, yeah, that was the first think I looked for, even before points! I can't tell you how much I wish Organized Play was going on right now.
[edit] - @Ablazoned - I'm genuinely curious about the Heroic/bid vs title choice. I've been playing Poe mostly without title and honestly haven't missed it. If other I1-heavy lists are going a full 200, that 1pt bid could be huge.
Edited by gennataos39 minutes ago, gennataos said:edit] - @Ablazoned - I'm genuinely curious about the Heroic/bid vs title choice. I've been playing Poe mostly without title and honestly haven't missed it. If other I1-heavy lists are going a full 200, that 1pt bid could be huge.
Black One gets my 70 point, 2-agility Ace out of trouble an average of once per match (n=ca...30?). For me, it'll stay. Then again, I haven't actually played around with bb blues so I don't have a feel for how much they want to move last/first. My gut says they can excel in either role, but I'll need table time first.
28 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Black One gets my 70 point, 2-agility Ace out of trouble an average of once per match (n=ca...30?). For me, it'll stay. Then again, I haven't actually played around with bb blues so I don't have a feel for how much they want to move last/first. My gut says they can excel in either role, but I'll need table time first.
I will say Poe needs to choose violence more than people generally do with him, at least with this list.
24 minutes ago, gennataos said:I will say Poe needs to choose violence more than people generally do with him, at least with this list.
Interesting...I would have thought the opposite. Poe has nothing besides arc dodging to make him more durable than a rookie, no? If I have a choice of attacking a 70 point Ace ship and a 43 point blocker...
2 hours ago, svelok said:it seems kind of bad on poe - the loss of flexibility from the "must" factor, yknow?
The thing about Poe, particularly BB-8 Poe, is that he can chop-and-change so many of his orders.
BB-8 can be "linked" into red Boost or Roll for the long move, or link a focus off of BB-8 and just take a white repo after. If just using his pilot ability during his activation, he could focus -> repo, or repo -> focus depending on whether he wants to go speed 2 or not. His standard action double repo will always have one extra-long, however there's a lot of options overall.
@AEIllingworth said a lot of that, so I'm pretty late, but still.
16 minutes ago, Ablazoned said:Interesting...I would have thought the opposite. Poe has nothing besides arc dodging to make him more durable than a rookie, no? If I have a choice of attacking a 70 point Ace ship and a 43 point blocker...
It's hard to articulate. It's just about putting the rookies in the right place to punish going for Poe and also allowing Poe to take a punch or two.
34 minutes ago, gennataos said:It's hard to articulate. It's just about putting the rookies in the right place to punish going for Poe and also allowing Poe to take a punch or two.
Yeah that's more what I've found works with Poe +. Poe on one side, other ships on the other. If they choose Poe, dip with him and hammer (this is where b1 is so effective). If they ignore him, he's double modded and maybe even r1.
Edited by Ablazoned7 hours ago, Ablazoned said:Yeah that's more what I've found works with Poe +. Poe on one side, other ships on the other. If they choose Poe, dip with him and hammer (this is where b1 is so effective). If they ignore him, he's double modded and maybe even r1.
Another thing that I find hard to...get people to believe?...Poe alive isn’t always the win condition.
So with all that pseudo panic about Poe... does anyone here really believe a 90pt Poe will be good? With BB8, primed, title is 87. And even at 77 without primed, he does it twice per game.
So, if not then why pretend it's a problem?
2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:So with all that pseudo panic about Poe... does anyone here really believe a 90pt Poe will be good? With BB8, primed, title is 87. And even at 77 without primed, he does it twice per game.
So, if not then why pretend it's a problem?
Too many people in this thread are scared by vassals mock up that shows all possible movement of a ship
The fact that games are won on points and not on fancy manouvers seem to be irrelevant to them
43 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:Too many people in this thread are scared by vassals mock up that shows all possible movement of a ship
The fact that games are won on points and not on fancy manouvers seem to be irrelevant to them
Thats the Resistance problem in general. Each new release people panic about some new mechanic it gets, then it releases and it's either situational or overpriced and all Resistance players revert back to 5A/beef/classic Aces.
Resistance seems to be the faction of cool gimmicky upgrades which in a vacuum seem to be overpowered until you start actually using them.
Edited by Flurpy49 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:So with all that pseudo panic about Poe... does anyone here really believe a 90pt Poe will be good? With BB8, primed, title is 87. And even at 77 without primed, he does it twice per game.
So, if not then why pretend it's a problem?
I never panicked about Poe, I panicked over overdrive thrusters
7 minutes ago, svelok said:I never panicked about Poe, I panicked over overdrive thrusters
Why then try to make you point with Poe? It's clearly not relevant on him. Seems disingenuous to me
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:Why then try to make you point with Poe?
uh, I didn't
1 minute ago, svelok said:uh, I didn't
oh, I'm sorry. I conflated the start, which was about Poe, with your continuation, which wasn't.
E.g., this post of yours still was in the context of Poe
On 7/31/2020 at 12:52 AM, svelok said:how do you figure?
6 minutes ago, svelok said:uh, I didn't
But more to the point, do you think BB8+BlackOne+Overdrive will be relevant on Nien?
What I think it does do, is make high cost T-70s more fun to use and gives them more options on the engage/disengage, which they did kinda need.
New Poe seems pretty cool on theme, edging his hotshot abilities into a more squad commander role. So like, if you make better choices, it's better....
All of this T-70 stuff appears to be looking to enable and reward clever timing, rather than, Oh we just do what we want now.
23 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:But more to the point, do you think BB8+BlackOne+Overdrive will be relevant on Nien?
not sure about BB8, no clue on overdrive pricing and still holding out a hope it's epic only, but Daredevil B1 Overdrive seems stupid on Nien. very nearly at-will decloaks!!
1 minute ago, svelok said:not sure about BB8, no clue on overdrive pricing and still holding out a hope it's epic only, but Daredevil B1 Overdrive seems stupid on Nien. very nearly at-will decloaks!!
when you say stupid, what do you compare it to?
There's no pre-movement maneuvering, so still very much susceptible to blocks. He still has 2 agility. Still no passive mods. B1 is still limited to once per game. Daredevil+Overdrive is very likely having a hard time in dense asteroid fields where there's no space to do long rolls/boosts.
At the end of the day, Nien with all these gadgets at ~70 points (assuming 6pt to start overdrive, with afterburners in mind) will have a single mod attack due to PA, or double if he closes the sfoils for linked roll.
This is no Handbrake Han degeneracy, not even close. And all other T70s don't have the action economy to make good use of it.