11 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Exactly this. I always felt like that was the intention of how the bid was supposed to work. If you bid, go big or go home. Ace + Efficiency is my preference, but I totally understand why some players love to just ace it up, and for them, a massive bid totally makes sense.

Before, you could maybe bid just a few points, like say 5 or 6, to outbid similar lists that got greedy, but only 5 or 6 so you can take the toys that let you better handle the really deep bidders or specific weaknesses of the squad.

That being said, the kit tourney was filled by players who enjoy aces immensely. Could be knee-jerk on my part, so I'll still bid in moderation until more datapoints come in. At the moment, only kit tourneys will have said data for Wave 6, but time will remedy that.

Just now, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Before, you could maybe bid just a few points, like say 5 or 6, to outbid similar lists that got greedy, but only 5 or 6 so you can take the toys that let you better handle the really deep bidders or specific weaknesses of the squad.

That being said, the kit tourney was filled by players who enjoy aces immensely. Could be knee-jerk on my part, so I'll still bid in moderation until more datapoints come in. At the moment, only kit tourneys will have said data for Wave 6, but time will remedy that.

Honestly, the safer bet is not to bid much; Ace + Efficiency is a toolbox that handles a lot of things well.

The problem with a giant bid is what happens when someone has a 1-pt higher bid. All those points were totally wasted. You always have to practice as 1st player, even if you bid 30 points away, because someone could have bid 31. It's true that you'll lose fewer bids the more you bid, but in the first place, the ones you lose will be much, much worse, and in the second, even if you win the bid you may not be equipped to win the game against a good anti-ace player.

Yeah, I'm very eager to see how the season shakes out.

8 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Before, you could maybe bid just a few points, like say 5 or 6, to outbid similar lists that got greedy, but only 5 or 6 so you can take the toys that let you better handle the really deep bidders or specific weaknesses of the squad.

wait, why is that not true anymore?

Scum vs Scum final at the sith taker open. Both lists hyperspace legal. Raise the defcon level.

Next weekend we have a chance to rescue the meta. For the love of the God of architecture, crush those scum lists.

5 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

Scum vs Scum final at the sith taker open. Both lists hyperspace legal. Raise the defcon level. Next weekend we have a chance to rescue the meta. For the love of the God of architecture, crush those scum lists.

So you're saying newly freed Brits love Boba Fenn and it's pretty good? Smart chaps they.

And who is this god of architecture? Being in the field, I haven't heard of such a deity, but such knowledge could come in handy.

... by the way, the tea is absolutely grand this afternoon.

Oli with Fenn plus 3 is not a newly good thing.

43 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

Both lists hyperspace legal. Raise the defcon level.

probably lots practicing for the system open eh?

43 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

Next weekend we have a chance to rescue the meta. For the love of the God of architecture, crush those scum lists.

fang meta would be the most interesting and wholesome meta in 2.0 to date

23 minutes ago, svelok said:

probably lots practicing for the system open eh?

fang meta would be the most interesting and wholesome meta in 2.0 to date

It's more like Boba meta V2.0

35 minutes ago, svelok said:

probably lots practicing for the system open eh?

fang meta would be the most interesting and wholesome meta in 2.0 to date

Again I feel like I'm not understand the x wing definition of wholesome. I find nothing interesting or wholesome about a single faction meta.

At least we still have you, extended.

23 minutes ago, tampermagnitude said:

It's more like Boba meta V2.0

It's like keeping Slave One in a nerfed HS was a bad idea.

Unknowable.🤔

16 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

At least we still have you, extended.

1 hour ago, Micanthropyre said:

Again I feel like I'm not understand the x wing definition of wholesome. I find nothing interesting or wholesome about a single faction meta.

At least we still have you, extended.

A fang meta isn't a meta solely compromised by fangs but a meta where fangs are very good. A meta where fangs are very good is a meta where forward arc ships are dominant.

This seems like a great meta to me.

1 hour ago, tampermagnitude said:

It's more like Boba meta V2.0

1 hour ago, Micanthropyre said:

At least we still have you, extended.

More an open question, than one for you two specifically...

Suppose Hyperspace was a little bit bigger. What's the smallest amount of more stuff which could be added, to put the breaks on Boba somewhat, without itself creating a runaway new meta problem?

1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

More an open question, than one for you two specifically...

Suppose Hyperspace was a little bit bigger. What's the smallest amount of more stuff which could be added, to put the breaks on Boba somewhat, without itself creating a runaway new meta problem?

Remove maul and/or slave I.

5 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

More an open question, than one for you two specifically...

Suppose Hyperspace was a little bit bigger. What's the smallest amount of more stuff which could be added, to put the breaks on Boba somewhat, without itself creating a runaway new meta problem?

Slave 1 is super dumb but am I crazy to think there already a bunch of options that work absolutely fine against Boba? What am I missing...

I enjoy the easy reacts by being pro extended in this meme thread.

21 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

More an open question, than one for you two specifically...

Suppose Hyperspace was a little bit bigger. What's the smallest amount of more stuff which could be added, to put the breaks on Boba somewhat, without itself creating a runaway new meta problem?

I don't actually want anything added to hyperspace. I like the vast majority of what they've done. The only add I would do is v1 minus generic Inquisitor and Grand Inquisitor.

20 minutes ago, jagsba said:

Remove maul and/or slave I.

This also should happen.

16 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Slave 1 is super dumb but am I crazy to think there already a bunch of options that work absolutely fine against Boba? What am I missing...

Yeah, Boba is hardly invulnerable. Even a simple block joust can ruin his day, not to mention torp alphas. Any attacks that roll many dice, really.

7 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

I enjoy the easy reacts by being pro extended in this meme thread.

yeah you'd think the meme format would jive well in the meme thread

2 hours ago, jagsba said:

Remove maul and/or slave I.

Checks out.

2 hours ago, Micanthropyre said:

This also should happen.

So does it make sense to, at worst, describe Boba as closer to an Extended power level in a more limited format.

2 hours ago, Cerebrawl said:

Yeah, Boba is hardly invulnerable. Even a simple block joust can ruin his day, not to mention torp alphas. Any attacks that roll many dice, really.

Isn't that the point of Slave I? A simple block isn't so simple anymore.

That's flip and unserious. Boba isn't unstoppable, but there's at least decently credible worry that he'll begin to dominate the meta. Also, does Torpedo Alpha even exist as a realistic list in Hyperspace? That'd be, what, Luke/Thane/Norra?

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Slave 1 is super dumb but am I crazy to think there already a bunch of options that work absolutely fine against Boba? What am I missing...

Not necessarily missing anything. Kind of a thought exercise as much as anything. Spend some time figuring out what could be added to slow him down, or what could be taken away from him to bring him perhaps a bit more in line, and in process of doing that, we get a clearer picture of the ways in which Boba might or might not be too strong. Kind of an oblique and open-ended way of asking:

"Is Boba Fett undercosted?"

• Yes?
• No?
• Soontir Fel?

2 hours ago, Micanthropyre said:

I don't actually want anything added to hyperspace. I like the vast majority of what they've done. The only add I would do is v1 minus generic Inquisitor and Grand Inquisitor.

Baron of the Empire is a neat ship, and lower-Init folks like Sev and Bro are pretty fair. It'd give Imperials something of the Ace-style they're familiar with, but hopefully not a meta-dominating problem, since Init 4 Aces are bad aces and and would ultimately be wholesome.

For certain definitions of bad and wholesome.

1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

Also, does Torpedo Alpha even exist in Hyperspace? That'd be, what, Luke/Thane/Norra?

Luke/Thane/Dutch. With Wedge's ability gone, you need that double-mod on the second torpedo more than ever.

5 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Also, does Torpedo Alpha even exist in Hyperspace? That'd be, what, Luke/Thane/Norra?

Slave 1 literally ADDs a proton torp slot.

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Slave 1 literally ADDs a proton torp slot.

Torpedoes counter Boba. Boba has Torpedoes.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

That's flip and unserious. Boba isn't unstoppable, but there's at least decently credible worry that he'll begin to dominate the meta. Also, does Torpedo Alpha even exist as a realistic list in Hyperspace? That'd be, what, Luke/Thane/Norra?

1 hour ago, DR4CO said:

Luke/Thane/Dutch. With Wedge's ability gone, you need that double-mod on the second torpedo more than ever.

Clearly not enough torpedoes. MOAR!

So what is this crazy good boba list?

9 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

So what is this crazy good boba list?

Any list with Boba in it.