As a Warhammer fan and owner of nine 40k and Fantasy armies I can tell you that FFG's not even in GW's realm of complete market denial and stunning lack of game balance and development.

Some of you guys are literally grasping for things to complain about. Seriously, sell your Xwing stuff and go play another game, the forums will be better off without you.

I'd like this so hard if I hadn't exceeded my limit for the third time today, I mean who limits likes? Really.

I mean seriously, guys! We're playing games with little toy space ships, lighten up.

FFG isn't obligated to make anything and their game designers will release what the market tells them they can sell. How many people would seriously buy a 3' long NB-2 frigate or a 15' Star Destroyer?

Did they promise, no, but I'm not the only one disappointed, so don't go acting like I'm the only one not happy with this.

There are plenty others.

There are plenty of people who think they've been abducted by aliens. Any one of them isn't the only one, but they're still all nuts.

I honestly was never convinced we were going to get an Imperial huge ship. The physics of the dimensions just don't work as well for the classic wedge shape as they do for the long-and-skinny of the Transport and CR90. The box would be absolutely massive, and the table space it occupies would extend WAY past the normal base. I think we might see the Gozanti as part of a Rebels-themed release, but I wouldn't even hold out hope for that. And the other options - the Lancer and Carrack - are just dull, ugly designs that most people have never heard of. They can get over that for a $15 fighter, but a $100 box is a harder sell.

There are actually all kinds of reasons to think that the ones we got are the only ones. If you go back to the original announcement for the huge ships, they say "In the end, we decided these ships were simply too iconic and exciting to ignore." Barring the actual Star Destroyer (which let's not bring up) nothing on the Imperial side meets that criteria.

So no. I was never convinced there would be more coming.

As for fixing the competitive problems with the Corvette... highly unlikely. Throwing a few new upgrades in will not fix the quantity vs. quality issue, which is one of the major balance issues in the game at any level.

<shrug> Sorry, Krynn, but you're really off the deep end here. You invented an expectation, and you're saying FFG is somehow untrustworthy for failing to meet your invented expectation. And even then, as has been pointed out, we may still very well get one, at which point they're not trustworthy because they didn't deliver to your expected schedule.

As a Warhammer fan and owner of nine 40k and Fantasy armies I can tell you that FFG's not even in GW's realm of complete market denial and stunning lack of game balance and development.

Oh yeah you use the SQ**** word on the wrong GW:40k forum and boom- BANNED!

Atleast FF doesn't systhematically jack up the price for the same games. Mark my words; it'll get so bad we'll get slapped with a copyright violation claim when we paint space marines in our own (homebrew) chapter colors (rather than ultramarines)

I didn't buy any of the Epic ships, though I am still asking myself whether I want to get the Rebel Transport just for Tarn Mison.

The most interesting part are the droids to be honest.

Did they promise, no, but I'm not the only one disappointed, so don't go acting like I'm the only one not happy with this.

There are plenty others.

There are plenty of people who think they've been abducted by aliens. Any one of them isn't the only one, but they're still all nuts.

I honestly was never convinced we were going to get an Imperial huge ship. The physics of the dimensions just don't work as well for the classic wedge shape as they do for the long-and-skinny of the Transport and CR90. The box would be absolutely massive, and the table space it occupies would extend WAY past the normal base. I think we might see the Gozanti as part of a Rebels-themed release, but I wouldn't even hold out hope for that. And the other options - the Lancer and Carrack - are just dull, ugly designs that most people have never heard of. They can get over that for a $15 fighter, but a $100 box is a harder sell.

There are actually all kinds of reasons to think that the ones we got are the only ones. If you go back to the original announcement for the huge ships, they say "In the end, we decided these ships were simply too iconic and exciting to ignore." Barring the actual Star Destroyer (which let's not bring up) nothing on the Imperial side meets that criteria.

So no. I was never convinced there would be more coming.

As for fixing the competitive problems with the Corvette... highly unlikely. Throwing a few new upgrades in will not fix the quantity vs. quality issue, which is one of the major balance issues in the game at any level.

<shrug> Sorry, Krynn, but you're really off the deep end here. You invented an expectation, and you're saying FFG is somehow untrustworthy for failing to meet your invented expectation. And even then, as has been pointed out, we may still very well get one, at which point they're not trustworthy because they didn't deliver to your expected schedule.

I can admit I'm probably over reacting and my anger is not at the community here

Like I also said the wave 6 was I think the tipping point.

I'm focusing a lot of my anger on just the imperial epic ships but I really don't like the idea of a third faction.

I know many here do and that's good for them.

To me what I loved about this game was the battle between the rebels and imperials.

Well maybe you knew there wasn't going to be another Epic ship for the empire, but as you can see from the threads on here a lot of others were expecting something.

I don't think comparing them and people being abducted by aliens and calling everyone in that category crazy is very cool, I'm not insulting anyone on here, so no need to be insulting others.

Not sure if you ment it as so. If not fine. If so then that's really not cool

(On a side note I don't think everyone that claims to be abducted by aliens crazy for that matter but that's a different story)

If they only intended on releasing the huge ships for the rebels only, do you thinking would have sold as well?

If not then wouldn't that be safe to say that's is kind of misleading?

I mean with introducing huge ships, the tournament rules and even the upgrades which are even in some cases classified as rebels only, again only makes it seem more likely that imperial are going to get something as well. If not why bother even indicating rebels only

Jan dodanna

Carlist rieekan

Raymus Antilles

Toryn Farr

All say "huge ship rebel only"

There is more than one factor here that does make it misleading.

I really wonder if they dropped the epic scale battles and figure if people want it then move on to armada.

I really hope that isnt the case, but I question it

Your probably right about the balancing issues and it may not totally fix the problems in another release, but If anything it can help.

It also doesn't help that today was a sh*tty day so I'm probably more pissed than I would be if this was yesterday or tomorrow, but I still wouldn't be happy with it that is for sure.

I also Feel that they could have continued on without introducing a third faction. But I know ffg is a company and all that matters is $$$ but I wish they could have done so and I think they can without introducing a third faction

When is rebels released I thinking of selling my entire collection if its soon I will wait. I know big ships aren't a staple of x wing but they are for me.

I will give you a dollar.

Krynn!!!!

Yet again, there's not been an announcement about dropping Epic, no one said they aren't making Imperial Epics. Why do you keep saying that?

I don't know.

Having a bad day lol

I know I need to chill.

I'll go play diablo 3 with the wife and try to relax.

Little guy is in bed, so it's finally quiet time

I just really hope I'm wrong.

If they announced something tomorrow, then I'll be eating crow pie lol

I just feel if there was something this would have been the time.

With the announcement of wave 6 and Armada I feel as though epic play in xwing has been sidelined, and may not be picked up again.

That they just may move on in the direction they are going.

If that did turn out to be the case,

Hey I even said in one thread that I maybe over reacting. I can admit that much.

Wave 6 I did not expect and it really turned me off from xwing.

I'll have to give it a day or 2 but will consider if I'm going to continue on with this

They released epic ships which made people buy into X Wing (the reason I did) and now they wont even release some imperial Huge for a decent game so they just release a totally new game to make even more money and ditch the unfinished X Wing line before they even started to complete it.

When you release a line you're making a promise to at least leave it at a reasonable point and this isn't it.

It's not like it isn't making money.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I feel ripped off frankly.

At least with games like mansions of madness you know it isn't selling but a new game then dump a whole play style because actually it could make more as a new game is GW cynical.

Before I begin I will say I love your choice in board games.

I would never compare FFG too GW. GW are bastards, I stoped playing there garbage after the Eye of terror global event. The Forces of Disorder won numbers wise and in the most important warzones. You can think the triad for that, the three chaos players that became our leaders. But what did GW do with the war data when deciding the canonical ending to the event? They fraked us, not as bad as the players in the last event that was IOM vs Orks, but it was insulting ether way.

More insulting is the triad was never put in any 40k novel.

Now even if we IMPs dont have a large ship we dont need it, we got Fel, we got Turr, we got RGTI, we got TIE Phantoms, TIE Defenders, we got Nukes knives SHARP STICKS.

As a Warhammer fan and owner of nine 40k and Fantasy armies I can tell you that FFG's not even in GW's realm of complete market denial and stunning lack of game balance and development.

Oh yeah you use the SQ**** word on the wrong GW:40k forum and boom- BANNED!

SQUAT!!!!

I never got into X-Wing to shoot huge ships at each other. For that reason Armada has little interest to me. I prefer X-Wing VS. TIE Fighter.

I feel that if you got into the game expecting to field a CR90 VS an Imperial Star Destroyer...you were sadly mistaken. The game is called X-Wing and is about the personal one to one action of Starfighters.

Besides we all know that no one would accept any imperial huge ship...no ship other than a Star Destroyer would be accepted which is impossible because of the scale.

Wait all you want Krynn007. If a single epic ship is what your continued enjoyment of X-Wing is teetered on, I wouldn't wait and just toss in the towel, switch to Armada, 90% of the announcements FFG could make would just end up disappointing you.

Last I checked, there's still two days of GenCon to go. Who says they won't pull something else out of their hat?

I want to see the different rules before I say anything. While I finally just broke down and bought a GR-75 for the pilots and mechs, I have no intention of getting into epic play anytime soon. I have too much to learn with the fighters before I play epic.

On the subject of the transport, am I going to h-e-double-hockey-sticks for thinking, the first time I took it out of the box and looked at it close up, "It looks just like a Telefunken U-47?"

I'm curious to see what the new rules bring to the game. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an," Oh, BTW,... " announcement before the end of the weekend.

If they only intended on releasing the huge ships for the rebels only, do you thinking would have sold as well?

If not then wouldn't that be safe to say that's is kind of misleading?

I mean with introducing huge ships, the tournament rules and even the upgrades which are even in some cases classified ad rebels only, again only makes it seem more likely that imperial are going to get something as well. If not why bother even indicating rebels only

Jan dodanna

Carlist rieekan

Raymus Antilles

Toryn Farr

All day huge ship rebel only

Couple key points here.

First, we don't actually know what the sales numbers are on the huge ships, so it's hard to say what would have happened if they said "These are the only two we're going to release."

Second, I'm not saying they only ever planned to make the two. They very well may have intended, when they designed the GR-75 and CR90, to do more. But maybe they couldn't make it work. Maybe the huge ships didn't sell as well. Maybe they realized that anything that would look good would have to retail at $300 to make it work. Who knows?

And, honestly, maybe they're still planning to announce one next week.

Were there some signs that there would be an Imperial huge ship? Sure. Was it reasonable to think that there would be one? Yes. But none of that equals a promise on FFG's part to make one, much less to make one RIGHT NOW.

It's perfectly fair to be disappointed. But you're going beyond disappointed into rude and disrespectful, not only to FFG but to a lot of other X-wing players. If FFG somehow betrayed you and kicked you in the nuts by giving us Wave 6 instead of an Imperial huge ship, what does that say for the players who are actually excited about the Scum and Villainy release? That making something THEY like is dishonest on FFG's part. That what they want is so unimportant that FFG is downright evil for making it rather than what you want.

So please, just stop.

And here ends my watch trying to talk the bereaved down off the ledge. Someone else can take over.

When is rebels released I thinking of selling my entire collection if its soon I will wait. I know big ships aren't a staple of x wing but they are for me.

Good news friend! They have a special game just for those of you who hae a fetish for big ships. It's called Star Wars: Armada. It's an exciting NEW game and I think you'd do well to pay a visit to their message boards!

Did they promise, no, but I'm not the only one disappointed, so don't go acting like I'm the only one not happy with this.

There are plenty others.

There are plenty of people who think they've been abducted by aliens. Any one of them isn't the only one, but they're still all nuts.

I honestly was never convinced we were going to get an Imperial huge ship. The physics of the dimensions just don't work as well for the classic wedge shape as they do for the long-and-skinny of the Transport and CR90. The box would be absolutely massive, and the table space it occupies would extend WAY past the normal base. I think we might see the Gozanti as part of a Rebels-themed release, but I wouldn't even hold out hope for that. And the other options - the Lancer and Carrack - are just dull, ugly designs that most people have never heard of. They can get over that for a $15 fighter, but a $100 box is a harder sell.

There are actually all kinds of reasons to think that the ones we got are the only ones. If you go back to the original announcement for the huge ships, they say "In the end, we decided these ships were simply too iconic and exciting to ignore." Barring the actual Star Destroyer (which let's not bring up) nothing on the Imperial side meets that criteria.

So no. I was never convinced there would be more coming.

As for fixing the competitive problems with the Corvette... highly unlikely. Throwing a few new upgrades in will not fix the quantity vs. quality issue, which is one of the major balance issues in the game at any level.

<shrug> Sorry, Krynn, but you're really off the deep end here. You invented an expectation, and you're saying FFG is somehow untrustworthy for failing to meet your invented expectation. And even then, as has been pointed out, we may still very well get one, at which point they're not trustworthy because they didn't deliver to your expected schedule.

I can admit I'm probably over reacting and my anger is not at the community here

Like I also said the wave 6 was I think the tipping point.

I'm focusing a lot of my anger on just the imperial epic ships but I really don't like the idea of a third faction.

I know many here do and that's good for them.

To me what I loved about this game was the battle between the rebels and imperials.

Well maybe you knew there wasn't going to be another Epic ship for the empire, but as you can see from the threads on here a lot of others were expecting something.

I don't think comparing them and people being abducted by aliens and calling everyone in that category crazy is very cool, I'm not insulting anyone on here, so no need to be insulting others.

Not sure if you ment it as so. If not fine. If so then that's really not cool

(On a side note I don't think everyone that claims to be abducted by aliens crazy for that matter but that's a different story)

If they only intended on releasing the huge ships for the rebels only, do you thinking would have sold as well?

If not then wouldn't that be safe to say that's is kind of misleading?

I mean with introducing huge ships, the tournament rules and even the upgrades which are even in some cases classified as rebels only, again only makes it seem more likely that imperial are going to get something as well. If not why bother even indicating rebels only

Jan dodanna

Carlist rieekan

Raymus Antilles

Toryn Farr

All say "huge ship rebel only"

There is more than one factor here that does make it misleading.

I really wonder if they dropped the epic scale battles and figure if people want it then move on to armada.

I really hope that isnt the case, but I question it

Your probably right about the balancing issues and it may not totally fix the problems in another release, but If anything it can help.

It also doesn't help that today was a sh*tty day so I'm probably more pissed than I would be if this was yesterday or tomorrow, but I still wouldn't be happy with it that is for sure.

I also Feel that they could have continued on without introducing a third faction. But I know ffg is a company and all that matters is $$$ but I wish they could have done so and I think they can without introducing a third faction

I bought both huge ships, and didn't expected there to be imperial counter parts until I opened them up and read the upgrade card, and saw that some said "rebel only". Just because they weren't announced today doesn't mean they're not in the works. Gencon is for big announcements, and thats what we got. Hopefully FFG realized many of the Tantive's problems (I totally agree with you here) and are making sure the next huge ships can address them before release.

Armada is likely the byproduct of ideas they had for huge ships while developing the tantive & transport but decided not to use with x-wing. Personally I think Armada and Imperial Assault look awesome but they may be trying to dip into the Star Wars fan base more than it can afford. I'd love to get both but I know all my gaming cash is going into wave 4 - 6. I don't see myself getting those other games for at least a year.

Both the Transport and Corvette are already getting reprints. So, I'm going to say they sold pretty well.

That said, they were probably not wanting to announce Huge ships as far as in advance as they did last year. So for those of you worried about more Huge ships, at least wait until Jan 2015 is over before you declare FFG's intentions. Imperial Assault and Armada were their big "this is coming in the future" announcements. We are hearing about Wave 6 about at the same time we normally would.

So, let's all calm down before we decry how they run their business. Which, going by their pie chart, is very good.

Both the Transport and Corvette are already getting reprints. So, I'm going to say they sold pretty well.

Eh, maybe... This is one of those things I'm always cautious about. "Sold out! Reprinting!!" is, by itself, meaningless without knowing how many were in the print run to start with.

The size of the print run doesn't really matter. After what happened with this games release, do you really think FFG would plan on a print run that they would need to do again 3 months after release? I'm sure they were a bit conservative, but there is enough demand that they felt they needed to order a reprint 3 months after release. It doesn't say just how many they are selling, but it would appear that it is healthy.

In my opinion if today's announcement made you feel like you've been kicked in the balls, you might need to be kicked in the balls so you can tell what it really feels like.

The size of the print run doesn't really matter. After what happened with this games release, do you really think FFG would plan on a print run that they would need to do again 3 months after release? I'm sure they were a bit conservative, but there is enough demand that they felt they needed to order a reprint 3 months after release. It doesn't say just how many they are selling, but it would appear that it is healthy.

Not necessarily arguing that it's not. But we honestly just don't know. I actually can see them being especially conservative with the huge ships - they were hitting the shelves at a price point dramatically higher than most of X-wing, which would see play in standard tournaments. I can easily see them being more than a bit conservative. And it's still quite easy to find the Corvette. A quick check of several online sites shows it in stock at all of them. That's somewhat unheard-of for a new X-wing release - a quick check on Wave 4 ships (only one site, not interested in that much research) has 3 of the 4 sold out. So reprint or not, it doesn't seem to be because it's disappeared off the shelves.

<shrug> Just saying it's impossible for us to know what the sales numbers actually are, and what impact they may have had on decisions concerning other huge ships. We don't know what they expected to sell, we don't know what the profit margin was relative to the others, we don't know how much hate mail they got concerning the standard-game cards and ships in the $60 and $90 packages. Just too many unknowns to claim support for anyone's personal belief.