The Scum and Villainy guys interview 2012 World champion Doug Kinney about his new card, Dash Rendar, the Let 'em Fly campaign, and the wave 4 meta.
I'll edit this a little when I get to work tomorrow but I didn't want the holonet to wait.
Edited by KelvanCan. Not. Wait. So. Much. Awesome...
Despite being about rebel {scum} by the sound of it.
We have another podcast in the wings talking spoiled aces cards and the faq but ffg released Doug's card so we'll wait a min to post that.
Doug was probably one of the first non kc people I met through xwing that I also now consider a friend. Absolute class act.
Yes Doug is one of the nicest people I know, and just all around great guy. This was a fun interview for me.
Thanks. It's always fun talking with you guys.
Nice interview guys.
So much focus on the phantom, not one mention of 3P0 falcons.
I know the notion is they're anti-phantom, but I think they'd exist in abundance anyway. They also limit the meta to just swarms from the imp side.
So much focus on the phantom, not one mention of 3P0 falcons.
I know the notion is they're anti-phantom, but I think they'd exist in abundance anyway. They also limit the meta to just swarms from the imp side.
This was recorded a few weeks back, Our next podcast focuses on 3p0 falcon better
Additionally a very big reason the falcon is run so hard is due to the phantom being a thing.
So much focus on the phantom, not one mention of 3P0 falcons.
I know the notion is they're anti-phantom, but I think they'd exist in abundance anyway. They also limit the meta to just swarms from the imp side.
This was recorded a few weeks back, Our next podcast focuses on 3p0 falcon better
I'll see about at least getting you updated stats in the Regionals thread to reference. Hopefully in the next day or so...
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
We appreciate it! I can't wait to release our next one. Been thinking about strong lists in today's Meta. Any good lists that can deal with a Falcon and Phantom well at the same time? (I've been thinking the Lambda is a great way to go here, but I always think that)
Funny think about that Falcon + 3P0 + MF upgrade... TIE Swarm eats it alive!
As we talked about on our show, I do not believe that TIE Swarm is dead and buried but rather Formation TIE Swarm has a bad match up against a TIE Phantom. EVERY OTHER list it is faced up against it is still a great list to play! I think it is just a matter of changing tactics when that Phantom player is on the other side of the table from you. Break up those formations, make sure that there are firing arcs all over the board. Use that PS 1 Academies to block de-cloaking lanes and force the Phantom to a corner of the board where you can get shots on it from all over.
Myself, I am doing the combo, Phantom + Mini Swarm and so far, it has had some great results vs BOTH lists!
Funny think about that Falcon + 3P0 + MF upgrade... TIE Swarm eats it alive!
As we talked about on our show, I do not believe that TIE Swarm is dead and buried but rather Formation TIE Swarm has a bad match up against a TIE Phantom. EVERY OTHER list it is faced up against it is still a great list to play! I think it is just a matter of changing tactics when that Phantom player is on the other side of the table from you. Break up those formations, make sure that there are firing arcs all over the board. Use that PS 1 Academies to block de-cloaking lanes and force the Phantom to a corner of the board where you can get shots on it from all over.
Myself, I am doing the combo, Phantom + Mini Swarm and so far, it has had some great results vs BOTH lists!
Rock = Falcon, Swarm = Paper, Phantom = Scissors. At least currently.
Now I know that some swarms have beaten the Phantom (France Nationals comes to mind) so it can be done. The hard part is the 2 attack guns vs 4 defense. With only 2 attack dice you really need to be able to concentrate fire, but that's hard to do against the super arc dodging Phantom. Running a Hyprid swarm may be the next thing.
The Glut of Super Falcons is directly related to how potent the Phantom is. Fear of the Phantom has caused this. Once phantoms thin down, then you will see more list diversity. Which is just the right time for the Phantom to jump back in.
Certainly wave 5 isn't helping those who dislike turrets.
Like Soontir Fel, Ricky? 
I feel dirty because I've been doing 3 shuttle Soontir. But my Lambda Love overrides my Soontir Hate.
I cannot believe I got 5v1ed by Soontir! Still bugs me because I feel like that was just about my best game of flying. I blocked that dude like 4 times with decent shots on him. He just noped the entire game and whittled me down.
Love the show, hands down my favourite X-Wing podcast, thanks Kelvan and friends for putting in the time and effort to give us such awesome content! (I once ran a Warhammer 'cast, and I know firsthand the huge time investment to run a podcast, everyone should be extremely grateful to you guys for doing such a good job!)
My one piece of criticism..... PLEASE stop complaining about the Phantom. We understand your position in the argument, the rants arent necessary. Great to hear Doug on this episode as the voice of reason- the sky is NOT falling, the meta is just shifting which will keep the game fresh. Phantom lists will drop in popularity when it becomes clear that they are not reliable enough to win a multi game tournament (since so many anti phantom lists are becoming prevelant!). If FFG didnt release imteresting meta-changing ships like the phantom the game would become very stale! Perhaps now Doug has told you his opinion you can bury the phantom rants for a couple of months and see what happens?
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
We appreciate it! I can't wait to release our next one. Been thinking about strong lists in today's Meta. Any good lists that can deal with a Falcon and Phantom well at the same time? (I've been thinking the Lambda is a great way to go here, but I always think that)
So I've started thinking the answer might be the Wintery Orbital Walrus. Something like:
OGP + FCS + Gunner + Tactician + EU
Howlrunner
4x Academy TIEs
It'll certainly be a huge threat to the Falcon lists.
Against the Phantom, it's less good, but still viable. The Hacksaw Shuttle is a serious threat because it can double stress the phantom, leading to a much more likely death for it if you can catch it the next round. The greatest threat to this list is probably the phantom + miniswarm though, so it's certainly not a hard counter.
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
We appreciate it! I can't wait to release our next one. Been thinking about strong lists in today's Meta. Any good lists that can deal with a Falcon and Phantom well at the same time? (I've been thinking the Lambda is a great way to go here, but I always think that)
It's still theorycraft at this point, but I think double Ion Cannon Turrets qualify. Roark/Dutch or a pair of Gold Squadron Pilots make a nice base for a list, leaving you 48 or 54 points for the rest of your squad.
Love the show, hands down my favourite X-Wing podcast, thanks Kelvan and friends for putting in the time and effort to give us such awesome content! (I once ran a Warhammer 'cast, and I know firsthand the huge time investment to run a podcast, everyone should be extremely grateful to you guys for doing such a good job!)
My one piece of criticism..... PLEASE stop complaining about the Phantom. We understand your position in the argument, the rants arent necessary. Great to hear Doug on this episode as the voice of reason- the sky is NOT falling, the meta is just shifting which will keep the game fresh. Phantom lists will drop in popularity when it becomes clear that they are not reliable enough to win a multi game tournament (since so many anti phantom lists are becoming prevelant!). If FFG didnt release imteresting meta-changing ships like the phantom the game would become very stale! Perhaps now Doug has told you his opinion you can bury the phantom rants for a couple of months and see what happens?
One piece of criticism guys - you aren't complaining about the Phantom ENOUGH. Please give us more. I think an entire episode dedicated to Phantom hate would be awesome.
Love the show, hands down my favourite X-Wing podcast, thanks Kelvan and friends for putting in the time and effort to give us such awesome content! (I once ran a Warhammer 'cast, and I know firsthand the huge time investment to run a podcast, everyone should be extremely grateful to you guys for doing such a good job!)
My one piece of criticism..... PLEASE stop complaining about the Phantom. We understand your position in the argument, the rants arent necessary. Great to hear Doug on this episode as the voice of reason- the sky is NOT falling, the meta is just shifting which will keep the game fresh. Phantom lists will drop in popularity when it becomes clear that they are not reliable enough to win a multi game tournament (since so many anti phantom lists are becoming prevelant!). If FFG didnt release imteresting meta-changing ships like the phantom the game would become very stale! Perhaps now Doug has told you his opinion you can bury the phantom rants for a couple of months and see what happens?
One piece of criticism guys - you aren't complaining about the Phantom ENOUGH. Please give us more. I think an entire episode dedicated to Phantom hate would be awesome.
Episode 6 is more Falcon centric, that being said. If you think there are so many falcons winning has nothing to do with the Phantom you're kidding yourself.
What we want is a list that will handle both the falcon and phantom and will hopefully reopen the meta. Looking at the Major Juggler stats show the sharp decrease in list diversity since wave 4. I'd like to bring that back.
Edited by Kelvan
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
We appreciate it! I can't wait to release our next one. Been thinking about strong lists in today's Meta. Any good lists that can deal with a Falcon and Phantom well at the same time? (I've been thinking the Lambda is a great way to go here, but I always think that)
So I've started thinking the answer might be the Wintery Orbital Walrus. Something like:
OGP + FCS + Gunner + Tactician + EU
Howlrunner
4x Academy TIEs
It'll certainly be a huge threat to the Falcon lists.
Against the Phantom, it's less good, but still viable. The Hacksaw Shuttle is a serious threat because it can double stress the phantom, leading to a much more likely death for it if you can catch it the next round. The greatest threat to this list is probably the phantom + miniswarm though, so it's certainly not a hard counter.
Sable, you are unquestionably a honorary member of Lambda City.
Outstanding interview guys! Very nice work!
We appreciate it! I can't wait to release our next one. Been thinking about strong lists in today's Meta. Any good lists that can deal with a Falcon and Phantom well at the same time? (I've been thinking the Lambda is a great way to go here, but I always think that)
So I've started thinking the answer might be the Wintery Orbital Walrus. Something like:
OGP + FCS + Gunner + Tactician + EU
Howlrunner
4x Academy TIEs
It'll certainly be a huge threat to the Falcon lists.
Against the Phantom, it's less good, but still viable. The Hacksaw Shuttle is a serious threat because it can double stress the phantom, leading to a much more likely death for it if you can catch it the next round. The greatest threat to this list is probably the phantom + miniswarm though, so it's certainly not a hard counter.
Sable, you are unquestionably a honorary member of Lambda City.
Methinks he may in fact be the Mayor.
Love the show, hands down my favourite X-Wing podcast, thanks Kelvan and friends for putting in the time and effort to give us such awesome content! (I once ran a Warhammer 'cast, and I know firsthand the huge time investment to run a podcast, everyone should be extremely grateful to you guys for doing such a good job!)
My one piece of criticism..... PLEASE stop complaining about the Phantom. We understand your position in the argument, the rants arent necessary. Great to hear Doug on this episode as the voice of reason- the sky is NOT falling, the meta is just shifting which will keep the game fresh. Phantom lists will drop in popularity when it becomes clear that they are not reliable enough to win a multi game tournament (since so many anti phantom lists are becoming prevelant!). If FFG didnt release imteresting meta-changing ships like the phantom the game would become very stale! Perhaps now Doug has told you his opinion you can bury the phantom rants for a couple of months and see what happens?
One piece of criticism guys - you aren't complaining about the Phantom ENOUGH. Please give us more. I think an entire episode dedicated to Phantom hate would be awesome.
Episode 6 is more Falcon centric, that being said. If you think there are so many falcons winning has nothing to do with the Phantom you're kidding yourself.
What we want is a list that will handle both the falcon and phantom and will hopefully reopen the meta. Looking at the Major Juggler stats show the sharp decrease in list diversity since wave 4. I'd like to bring that back.