30 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Well, I’ve been wrong before. I thought for sure that was a scum rocket.
But if I was scum, I’d have have dropped the hammer, and hidden behind “we just had to get that lynch guise”
Unless A. Preyer was your scummate, or B. You decided a no-lynch was even better than killing a town. I certainly think it serves scum better, especially with an odd number of players where scum isn’t changing the time they need to stay alive.
The Jabbawookie (L-4)
Madaghmire (L-3) (GNIP)
LTD (L-4)
Caldias (L-4)
GhostofNobodyInParticular (L-3) (Lord Preyer)
Lord Preyer (L-4)
24 hours, 15 minutes to go.
11 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:Unless A. Preyer was your scummate, or B. You decided a no-lynch was even better than killing a town. I certainly think it serves scum better, especially with an odd number of players where scum isn’t changing the time they need to stay alive.
A. I would 100% have jumped on that hammer if both of us were scum. D1 hammer cred? Boom. I’d have walked this.
B. No, its better to just land the hammer. You’re overthinking it. You kill town as scum, it may not change the time needed, but you might nail a power role. Especially someone like Preyer who’s usually a difficult daykill anyway.
I have nothing new to contribute.
Obviously there are two scum, otherwise the game would already be over. If there were three, they could all jump on a single vote and end the game.
I don't understand the situation where Bertie says a two v. two game would not necessarily end the game, depending on roles. I guess a jailkeeper could lock up the mafia who is doing the killing, but two would never win a vote in that situation. I don't understand.
I again think it's time for a mass claim, and then a stab in the dark.
Six players, two scum, so a one-in-three chance of getting the right person.
I know it's not me, so two-in-five I guess. 40%.
It's lynch or lose. The best chance we have is if we push a scum then the other scum won't jump on so it will take four hard votes to win.
I think we already have a vote on Madaghmire? I'll join that train, and if the scum jump on and end the whole thing that's fine.
I'll vote in a couple of hours.
Time to claim.
(Lord Preyer - your politics is very interesting at the moment. Time for the Queen to assume supreme executive power for a week or two I think... How many problems in British democracy would be solved by: 1. Compulsary Voting, and 2. Single Transferrable Vote Preferences? Answer: Almost all of them. Also - the Ashes are ours, proving Australians are superior in every way).
1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:A. I would 100% have jumped on that hammer if both of us were scum. D1 hammer cred? Boom. I’d have walked this.
B. No, its better to just land the hammer. You’re overthinking it. You kill town as scum, it may not change the time needed, but you might nail a power role. Especially someone like Preyer who’s usually a difficult daykill anyway.
That's another, also valid, way to play scum. In this game, every possible power role except the doctor has the potential to sow confusion or is a double-edged sword.
Both playstyles remain entirely reasonable, which is why I don't give you town credit for not hammering LP in favor of a no lynch.
26 minutes ago, LTD said:I don't understand the situation where Bertie says a two v. two game would not necessarily end the game, depending on roles. I guess a jailkeeper could lock up the mafia who is doing the killing, but two would never win a vote in that situation. I don't understand.
I think it means: busdriver and doc for town, goon and strongman for scum.
Doc self protects, strongman attempts to hit doc, bus driver switches doc and goon. Dead goon, town majority again.
13 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:
Oh, I think we are at 100%. What on Earth is there to save it for?
We will likely need to claim, but as Bertie pointed out, given role combinations make it POSSIBLE we aren't necessarily at lylo, but effectively we're at lylo. Did you read the rest of my quote, saying we will almost certainly need to reveal roles before the end of the day?
Sorry about inactivity, I sound like a broken record but the hurricane forced schools to close here even though we are 3 hours inland. But I've had to wrangle 2 kids since 1:00 or so.
Will take a look in a bit after the kids go to bed, seems like there was a bit more activity today than the last few days.
Just now, Caldias said:We will likely need to claim, but as Bertie pointed out, given role combinations make it POSSIBLE we aren't necessarily at lylo, but effectively we're at lylo. Did you read the rest of my quote, saying we will almost certainly need to reveal roles before the end of the day?
Sorry about inactivity, I sound like a broken record but the hurricane forced schools to close here even though we are 3 hours inland. But I've had to wrangle 2 kids since 1:00 or so.
Will take a look in a bit after the kids go to bed, seems like there was a bit more activity today than the last few days.
Sorry, that was more addressed at Preyer's response. No, we're on the same page there.
1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:That's another, also valid, way to play scum. In this game, every possible power role except the doctor has the potential to sow confusion or is a double-edged sword.
Both playstyles remain entirely reasonable, which is why I don't give you town credit for not hammering LP in favor of a no lynch.
Its not about whats valid or not tho. Its about what I would do.
Just now, Madaghmire said:Its not about whats valid or not tho. Its about what I would do.
And scum Mads would tell us he'd pick the playstyle that makes him look town.
You can see why I'm not particularly interested in your word on this one, right?
##vote madaghmire
Since I can now be turboed, I’ll claim. I’m the town babysitter. I covered LP N1 and Ghost N2. LP I protected because he was a towb read and I figured I was safe N1, Ghost was a hedge since I no longer trusted my reads. In retrospect, I wish I had protected forty...and if I had a purely protective role I probably would have. But the double edged nature of the role had me placing it on someone I also thought could be scum, in case I was killed.
##unvote madaghmire
Unless there's a counter claim, what's next?
14 minutes ago, LTD said:##unvote madaghmire
Unless there's a counter claim, what's next?
Honestly, I can make arguments for several people and yet none of them have felt right. I keep going over stuff but its all tenuous.
25 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Since I can now be turboed, I’ll claim. I’m the town babysitter. I covered LP N1 and Ghost N2. LP I protected because he was a towb read and I figured I was safe N1, Ghost was a hedge since I no longer trusted my reads. In retrospect, I wish I had protected forty...and if I had a purely protective role I probably would have. But the double edged nature of the role had me placing it on someone I also thought could be scum, in case I was killed.
I assume you weren't blocked in any way? If you were, that would be helpful in knowing what other roles are out there.
Not that I’m aware of
After reading I don't have much else, sadly, other than feeling less scummy about Jabba because of his investigating/vote tallying. However, I feel I should respond to this:
18 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:
We didn't get a D1 lynch because of an edit . Does anyone really think Clon would change the spirit or phrasing of his post? That's straight up illegal and bad sportsmanships, and doesn't sound like Clon at all. Did we need to interrogate him right then? Was he even present right then? If it would have led to anything, he could be grilled the next day just fine. I'm sorry, Cal, but this choice is less explicable the more I really consider it, especially since you claim you intended to vote Preyer and answered 5 minutes too late. I get that we have lives (some of us), and everyone messes up, but RL distractions lead to online Mafia consequences. And this remains shady AF. It's the only truly shady thing I see, but it's also all you've really got going on. Suggesting we look at Matt (all 4 of his posts, 1 vote on Forty) could be seen as misdirection, but leave no stone unturned I guess. And some posts about my code, which I don't consider substance.
Does it mean I think you're scum? Not necessarily, but mainly because I'm thinking about team interactions, too.
I get the shadiness-lookingness of my Day One, and I agree it probably would've been safer to lynch LP. I've said as much in previous posts. I don't think Clon is one to cheat or anything, but that was the best day one lead we had, and I stand by applying pressure, especially since it looked like we could've gotten the votes off. Nailing scum day one is better than not. I understand RL stuff has mafia consequences. If you think I'm the best look for lynch, then so be it.
The code speak I won't go into, but you've got to see why that's shady and would've drawn negative attention your way. Sure, you don't see my pointing to it as shady as substantive, but neither is reiterating points I made myself about my own Day One actions. Your vote/post list, though, was very helpful.
I’m running out of time. I’ve got maybe six hours until I am unconscious again.
##vote Lord Preyer
With Madaghmire's claim, I think it's claim time for the rest of us.
I recommend power roles first, to make uncontested fakeclaims more difficult.
6 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Since I can now be turboed, I’ll claim. I’m the town babysitter. I covered LP N1 and Ghost N2. LP I protected because he was a towb read and I figured I was safe N1, Ghost was a hedge since I no longer trusted my reads. In retrospect, I wish I had protected forty...and if I had a purely protective role I probably would have. But the double edged nature of the role had me placing it on someone I also thought could be scum, in case I was killed.
I believe this.
10 hours ago, LTD said:I think we already have a vote on Madaghmire? I'll join that train, and if the scum jump on and end the whole thing that's fine.
This is odd.
9 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:Sorry, that was more addressed at Preyer's response. No, we're on the same page there.
A lot of posts ago I conceded the point on LyLo!
3 hours ago, LTD said:I’m running out of time. I’ve got maybe six hours until I am unconscious again.
##vote Lord Preyer
Ummm... could you at least mount a prosecution please so I can know what to defend against? Especially if you agree with the LyLo risk just throwing a blind vote out there isn’t that helpful - even if it wasn’t on me!
6 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:I believe this.
Me too. It would be incredibly brazen to blindly claim that first thing, and scum doesn't seem to have any way of scanning.
Which makes you and Cal the top of my list, though I don't particularly trust GNIPs.