Things I’ve noticed;

Ghost- Is wrong. I think its possible that as LP said, this is a town crossfire. I also like LP’s point that early game, if town is pushing each other, scum can sort of let them and hang back some. But that he jumped on me so fast in the day, with a terrible argument that is highly spun, leaves him high on my suspect list. That he hammered a little early (and yes I know he stated his intent, but he could have also let the discussion go on, as there was still time remaining), and then comes out and blasts me for forty despite my barely even mentioning the dude, is somewhat suspicious. This feels like a scum binary endgame.

Calling out the code thing is a plus, as Cal pointed out. But honestly, I’d do the same as scum. I think it speaks more to ghost’s sportsmanship than his affiliation.

LP- LP has been my most town read of the game. I’m starting to worry about it, actually. The best way to play scum is to look as town as possible. His whole “scum on my train” thing may have just been pushing a narrative and trying to keep us from looking outside the train, if that was a fully town train. Also, if LP is in fact scum, than calling me and Ghost out as town crossfire is a great play, since it either is, in which case both players know that its a possibility given their knowledge at hand (their affiliation) and so it gets a “ring of truth”to it, or its a cover for his scum buddy ghost.

Caldias- He hasn’t been as vocal as I’d expect, not that he’s a prolific poster either way. I’m wondering if he’s giving me a pass as a way of staying off my radar tho. His post today followed up my last post yesterday, but didn’t voice any suspicion of me at all. And while Ghost is wrong about my affiliation, I don’t fault the suspicion. He also followed my vote on Jabba. It could be scum cozying to a town they know, but it could also just be that Cal made the right read on me.

Jabba- I wanted to vote Jabba D1. I was hoping to vote Jabba D2. But as I’m writing this I see him posit my own concerns with the LP train.

LTD- Has been very quiet, and I’m a little wary of the two times he floated me and Cal early as meta arguments. But its always hard with LTD to determine if scummarining or just Aussie.

9 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I’d like to point out that Clon and Forty were my prime suspects, and both died in a single day/night cycle. That’s a bad look for scum.

Good point

11 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Huh? By my clock we had about half an hour, maybe 45 minutes.

Also, you say that, laying the blame on me for hammering a town player (phrased as if we both knew he was town and you were against his lynch) when you were the one pushing said lynch, and I made it clear that I only did it to prevent a no-lynch scenario.

On what planet did I push Clon’s lynch? I was the fourth vote on that, and I gave him two hour window to talk before I voted so he couldn’t be turboed without defending

23 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

On what planet did I push Clon’s lynch? I was the fourth vote on that, and I gave him two hour window to talk before I voted so he couldn’t be turboed without defending

D1 you shifted the train from LP to clon. D2 you did nothing to remove suspicion or attention from him. Granted you did not vote first that day, but you vote was cast D1 and as far as the impression I got from you was, you were perfectly content to vote him again. Thus, as I see it, it was your action D1, and lack of counteraction D2, which sealed clon's fate.

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

D1 you shifted the train from LP to clon. D2 you did nothing to remove suspicion or attention from him. Granted you did not vote first that day, but you vote was cast D1 and as far as the impression I got from you was, you were perfectly content to vote him again. Thus, as I see it, it was your action D1, and lack of counteraction D2, which sealed clon's fate.

I’m pretty sure you “sealed his fate” bud. Thats like shooting a dude in the face, turning to the guy next to you an saying “Hey, you said he was a **** and you didn’t stop me. This is on you.”

14 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I’m pretty sure you “sealed his fate” bud. Thats like shooting a dude in the face, turning to the guy next to you an saying “Hey, you said he was a **** and you didn’t stop me. This is on you.”

I sealed it in that sense, yes. But you cannot as a result absolve yourself of blame as well. Had I not done it, we would have had a no-lynch twice in a row.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I sealed it in that sense, yes. But you cannot as a result absolve yourself of blame as well. Had I not done it, we would have had a no-lynch twice in a row.

Yeah I’m not. I didn’t for example, pull my vote back, and I had been considering it since you had made your intentions known. But I didn’t for the same reason you went ahead. Best case, he was lying, worst case, we lose a vanilla and garner some information. My issue with you is what you seem to be taking from it.

Vote history and post count (I think):

Me:

• 1st vote on Preyer D1
• 1st vote on Forty D2
• 3rd vote on Clon D2
• Post Count: 13

Mads:

• 2nd vote on Jabba D1
• 1st vote on Clon D1
• 1st vote on GNIPs D2
• 4th vote on Clon D2
• Post count: 23

Lord Preyer:

• 1st vote on Matt D1
• 1st vote on Jabba D2
• 2nd vote on Clon D2
• Post count: 18

Caldias:

• 1st vote on LTD D1
• 2nd vote on Clon D1
• Post count: 13

GNIPs:

• 3rd vote on Preyer D1
• 1st vote on Caldias D2
• 1st vote on Mads D2
• 5th vote on Clon D2 (hammer)
• 1st vote on Mads D3
• Post Count: 20

Matt : (dead)

• 1st vote on Forty D1
• Post Count: 4

LTD:

• 1st vote on Caldias D1
• 1st vote on Clon D2
• Post count: 9

Forty : (dead)

• 2nd vote on Preyer D1
• 3rd vote on Jabba D2
• Post count: 7

Clon : (dead)

• 1st vote on Jabba D1
• 4th vote on Preyer D1
• 2nd vote on Jabba D2
• Post count: 13

Well, there are six left. Four to lynch.

So assuming there are two scum (if there are three then it would already be game over) we would need all four town votes to lynch a scum. So that's not encouraging.

I think it's time for claims and for trackers etc to reveal what they have been doing this whole time - assuming that there are roles and we are not all just vanilla.

(This game has reminded me how much I don't like these games. Please remind me in future not to play them.)

4 minutes ago, LTD said:

This game has reminded me how much I don't like these games. Please remind me in future not to play them.

Sorry to hear it. You could try not being outposted by a dead guy...

Hello all - sorry I’ve been offline. As even the international news is now covering - Britain is a mess and thus my work is crazy right now.

Quick point by points before bed:

@The Jabbawookie : as I intimated in a previous post, I won’t be using the BatSignal in this or likely any future game. In reading about Mafia I found out how much the use of secret codes for metagaming is frowned upon. What’s more, if players know that I can Innocent Child myself at anytime simply by writing the word “neat” than it’s not actually fair on Scum or the Mod. So sorry I can’t help you here! If that means you want to Lynch me I can understand that but please know that I promise this is my position regardless of faction in this game and beyond.

@Madaghmire and @Caldias have both I believe raised suspicions of me today as a consequence of my not being lynched D1. I don’t really know how to defend against this other than to invite players to reread my whole game and ask what posts have I made or decisions have I taken that read as scummy to you? And I’d ask you to consider the role I have tried to play for our benefit in terms of organising, theorising and offering alternative paths to break out of ruts. If that condemns me for the lynch than, once again, so be it but I really don’t know how to play other than trying to help!

@LTD I am sorry you’re not enjoying this game. Thanks for trying! If there’s a way we can make it a better playing experience for you please do say! On your point about power roles revealing I’d push back though please as I have faith that our power roles (if any!) will do so when they have something useful for us to know either that clears a player nearing a lynch - or condemns one!

@GhostofNobodyInParticular : I’m trying to read you through the Mads fight and struggling a little. Granted your top suspect seems to be Mads can I ask for who your other too Scum and indeed stone reads are please? I often find these statements to be helpful in getting to grips with a player beyond the line of argument that has otherwise dominated their game.

Right. That’s more than I planned to write. Must sleep. Will reread and vote tomorrow.

Goodnight gang!

43 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular : I’m trying to read you through the Mads fight and struggling a little. Granted your top suspect seems to be Mads can I ask for who your other too Scum and indeed stone reads are please? I often find these statements to be helpful in getting to grips with a player beyond the line of argument that has otherwise dominated their game.

My next suspect is Cal, who used to be my primary suspect before Mad entered the scene.

I have no good read on anybody else. LTD doesn't post much of use, which is always suspicious, and Jabba and you are, currently, not carching my attention either way.

Gah! *catching.

Bah! Tell

Me

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Post

More

Will

You?

##vote The Jabbawookie

1 minute ago, LTD said:

##vote The Jabbawookie

Can we count on you to be invested enough when we reach a decision to move this vote (should the situation call for it?)

Also, nobody vote the same person yet; we risk a turbo. I have more to say after dinner.

Yes, I'll be around and involved.

These games just frustrate me because it's all guesswork and belligerent posturing.

##unvote The Jabbawookie

Forgive my word vomit, only now getting to respond.

9 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

D1 you shifted the train from LP to clon. D2 you did nothing to remove suspicion or attention from him. Granted you did not vote first that day, but you vote was cast D1 and as far as the impression I got from you was, you were perfectly content to vote him again. Thus, as I see it, it was your action D1, and lack of counteraction D2, which sealed clon's fate.

I gotta say, if anyone can be blamed for shifting the vote from LP to Clon, it's me. Mads voted before I did but I called it out before him. So that should def be on me.

10 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I’d like to point out that Clon and Forty were my prime suspects, and both died in a single day/night cycle. That’s a bad look for scum.

Also, they both voted Preyer, and the D1 result has been the centerpiece of this game. @Lord Preyer , I think it’s time to use your bat signal. Too much rides on your identity right now. (To those of you wondering this is somewhat more reliable than a normal claim because it spans multiple games.) As for the train, I think it was entirely possible it was pure town. Which, if true, would explain why it didn’t finish; in this scenario, Preyer’s scum mate and the people who liked his early call to vote would make a lynch unlikely from the start.

Lastly, I haven’t heard a real objection to my attempt at code beyond the fact that it exists. Do you all want the key? Or the verification of LTD and GNIPs about what I said?

The code thing to me seems to try and game outside the confines of the game. That might not be your intent, but that's how it came off. I don't think any of the roles conferred any sort of code ability.

10 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Caldias- He hasn’t been as vocal as I’d expect, not that he’s a prolific poster either way. I’m wondering if he’s giving me a pass as a way of staying off my radar tho. His post today followed up my last post yesterday, but didn’t voice any suspicion of me at all. And while Ghost is wrong about my affiliation, I don’t fault the suspicion. He also followed my vote on Jabba. It could be scum cozying to a town they know, but it could also just be that Cal made the right read on me.

Mads, you read town to me mostly because you're scum hunting, and in my experience when you're not town you're scum hunting but there's more of an edge to it, or you seem to target people harder. I haven't seen that, so either you're awesome at hiding scumtells or you're town.

I can agree with LTD that the posturing can be frustrating, but that's also part of the game. LTD, you're high on my list because of how you've acted but now that you mention it the behavior could chalk up to just being frustrated with the game's pace/events.

Lord Preyer, the one thing that bugs me is your pushing back just now on role claims. I'm not saying we're 100% at a role claim yet, but it's lylo so if there was ever a time to claim, it's now. I forsee everyone having to claim today barring some major revelation.

4 hours ago, Caldias said:

Lord Preyer, the one thing that bugs me is your pushing back just now on role claims. I'm not saying we're 100% at a role claim yet, but it's lylo so if there was ever a time to claim, it's now. I forsee everyone having to claim today barring some major revelatio

I think there’s a difference between a call for a mass claim even at LyLo and targeted claims eve at LyLo.

On the LyLo point, I would be surprised if we are. Because with 6 players left that would mean there were 3 Scum. For Scum to be 1/3rd of the original player pool would require some serious Town firepower to rebalance and thus far all we’ve seen is Vanilla. What’s more, a Mod running a missy challenge calculation to check game balance before launch would see that a 1/3rd Scum pool would mean Town could only mislynch twice before LyLo (presuming Night Kills go through). It’s possible that @Bertie Wooster has devised a game that tough for us but given how long it’s been since a Forum Mafia game I’d be surprised if that was the case this time out.

Now, granted, better safe than sorry and we should probably act with the threat of LyLo in mind but I think a 2 Scum team is a more probable threat than a 3 Scum team. And so again, I am more leary of mass reveals.