7 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

The two are not compatible. GNiPs has made a deal that involves my use of Pen'tok; neither he nor I could use Pen'tok under the Tron'di offer. This is the heart of the matter: the war against the Tron'di must continue, or the Ghosts and the Mandalorians will suffer. Both by having fought for nothing and through a guerilla war being waged against them by a faction that seeks nothing but their destruction.

Oh I see.

10 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

I am fine with this

6 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

The two are not compatible. GNiPs has made a deal that involves my use of Pen'tok; neither he nor I could use Pen'tok under the Tron'di offer. This is the heart of the matter: the war against the Tron'di must continue, or the Ghosts and the Mandalorians will suffer. Both by having fought for nothing and through a guerilla war being waged against them by a faction that seeks nothing but their destruction.

@clontroper5 @The Jabbawookie I think we are close to something workable here.

Perhaps the 5SA could swap the Mandos another planet to compensate for your denial to use P?

Just now, FortyInRed said:

@clontroper5 @The Jabbawookie I think we are close to something workable here.

Perhaps the 5SA could swap the Mandos another planet to compensate for your denial to use P?

I don't really have spare stuff... Unless the Mando's want a planet next to my home, which I am not comfortable with...

4 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular we have credits in abundance. I'm glad to give you some now as a token of our good will. If you are in a position to help us later, that would be appreciated.

@LTD 50 credits from Consortium to GNIPIA.

Thank you for your aid. We will return the favor whenever you wish, if it is within our power.

In the name of galactic stability, we have a responsibility to try for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.

1 minute ago, clontroper5 said:

I don't really have spare stuff... Unless the Mando's want a planet next to my home, which I am not comfortable with...

What else might you be willing to offer the Mandalorians?

Perhaps an IC tribute?

I find that makes both sides closer and is a good deterrent to future conflict.

3 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@clontroper5 @The Jabbawookie I think we are close to something workable here.

Perhaps the 5SA could swap the Mandos another planet to compensate for your denial to use P?

Sneaky! The accord was 40 IC, but the reparations bill is 95 credits, 3 GF and counting. If we can make this right, I am open to an agreement.

The fundamental problem remains, though; the Tron'di will focus singlemindedly on our destruction, which we can ill afford. In the meantime, you get whatever's on Odron while the 5SA gets 39/70 and a second capital.

The entire point of this agreement is to set up the Ghosts and the South for defeat.

Transfer 50 credits to @GhostofNobodyInParticular. Your credit problem should be pretty solved now.

4 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Oh I see.

Basically, Biggs wants to carry out a guerrilla war against Jabba and I, and hopes that by giving away his planets to you (and not paying reparations to us) he will ruin our cause and make our suffering in vain.

2 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

In the name of galactic stability, we have a responsibility to try for a peaceful resolution to this conflict.

What else might you be willing to offer the Mandalorians?

Perhaps an IC tribute?

I find that makes both sides closer and is a good deterrent to future conflict.

The thing is, it is not just the Mandos. I too have a stake in this war, not to mention that Biggs promised a personal vendetta.

12 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

The thing it, it is not just the Mandos. I too have a stake in this war, not to mention that Biggs promised a personal vendetta.

@BiggsIRL what say you to these accusations?

Tempers flair in times of war. Will you renounce your vendetta and negotiate in good faith a resolution to this conflict that has claimed too many lives already?

@The Jabbawookie also, I hope you'll agree that I'm negotiating in good faith, not out of desire to claim a planet. If that's a sticking point, I'm sure you and I can come to an agreement.

17 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@The Jabbawookie also, I hope you'll agree that I'm negotiating in good faith, not out of desire to claim a planet. If that's a sticking point, I'm sure you and I can come to an agreement.

No, even if I believed you wanted a planet, the Mandalorians would not begrudge you that. But we have [small number, censored] total IC right now, and have released you from your IC payments. The situation simply cannot stand. There may be an acceptable diplomatic solution, but I doubt everyone will be satisfied.

So first off, I definitely want planets so my negotiations from here are based on that desire.

So working off the premise that @BiggsIRL will give me control of the planets Z and O I would like to reach a deal that is satisfactory to the other parties so as to pervent an all out war in the sector. What happens to P is irrelevant to my concerns for now.

So the easy solution would be I use the new found Credits/ic of my expanded territory to buy off the war debts etc. Caused by the Tron'di conflict. This appears to be unsatisfactory to the Tron'di themselves who, as has been pointed out, intend to continue fighting and wish that the resources don't make it into the hands of their enemies (Gnips and the Mando's) now obiously the Tron'di are at a disadvantage in the conversation and a total pervention of resources reaching the Mando's and Gnips would probably be impossible without a war involving the major alliances.

So my proposal is that the territory that is given to me (O and Z) would become a war Neutral Zone, I would then use the planets to repair anyone involved in the conflict that desires it (at my cost) and would be willing to Sell small ships/squads at a very discounted cost to anyone that has lost resources in the conflict so far (so basically @GhostofNobodyInParticular, and @The JabbawookieJabbawookie)

I would not provide new equipment to @BiggsIRL however I would repair any of his ships that came to the planets.

Would a treaty along these lines be sastifactory?

@Bertie Wooster going forward the 5th SA may find itself treading on dangerous ground (hopefully not but the situation may escalate) what is the position of our Alliance?

Will you remain our Allies even if the events of the next few turns drag the 5th SA into a major war?

19 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

So first off, I definitely want planets so my negotiations from here are based on that desire.

So working off the premise that @BiggsIRL will give me control of the planets Z and O I would like to reach a deal that is satisfactory to the other parties so as to pervent an all out war in the sector. What happens to P is irrelevant to my concerns for now.

So the easy solution would be I use the new found Credits/ic of my expanded territory to buy off the war debts etc. Caused by the Tron'di conflict. This appears to be unsatisfactory to the Tron'di themselves who, as has been pointed out, intend to continue fighting and wish that the resources don't make it into the hands of their enemies (Gnips and the Mando's) now obiously the Tron'di are at a disadvantage in the conversation and a total pervention of resources reaching the Mando's and Gnips would probably be impossible without a war involving the major alliances.

So my proposal is that the territory that is given to me (O and Z) would become a war Neutral Zone, I would then use the planets to repair anyone involved in the conflict that desires it (at my cost) and would be willing to Sell small ships/squads at a very discounted cost to anyone that has lost resources in the conflict so far (so basically @GhostofNobodyInParticular, and @The JabbawookieJabbawookie)

I would not provide new equipment to @BiggsIRL however I would repair any of his ships that came to the planets.

Would a treaty along these lines be sastifactory?

This is creative and intriguing. The issue remains: we have forfeited nearly half our IC (as we should, rather than continue to impose on the Consortium.) This was done with the understanding we would soon have a planet in what might be the wealthiest corner of the sector, evening out our sacrifice. I propose we revisit this agreement when we have finished capturing Zedron and can economically stand shoulder to shoulder with the other players in this war. Tron’di conditions will then be a little easier to swallow, and we are open to the 5th Sector making gains.

Edit: On second glance, we could talk specifics. The mention of selling ships might well yield a solution. If we could buy 36 IC a turn I think resolution is possible. Why no mention of P?

29 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

So first off, I definitely want planets so my negotiations from here are based on that desire.

So working off the premise that @BiggsIRL will give me control of the planets Z and O I would like to reach a deal that is satisfactory to the other parties so as to pervent an all out war in the sector. What happens to P is irrelevant to my concerns for now.

So the easy solution would be I use the new found Credits/ic of my expanded territory to buy off the war debts etc. Caused by the Tron'di conflict. This appears to be unsatisfactory to the Tron'di themselves who, as has been pointed out, intend to continue fighting and wish that the resources don't make it into the hands of their enemies (Gnips and the Mando's) now obiously the Tron'di are at a disadvantage in the conversation and a total pervention of resources reaching the Mando's and Gnips would probably be impossible without a war involving the major alliances.

So my proposal is that the territory that is given to me (O and Z) would become a war Neutral Zone, I would then use the planets to repair anyone involved in the conflict that desires it (at my cost) and would be willing to Sell small ships/squads at a very discounted cost to anyone that has lost resources in the conflict so far (so basically @GhostofNobodyInParticular, and @The JabbawookieJabbawookie)

I would not provide new equipment to @BiggsIRL however I would repair any of his ships that came to the planets.

Would a treaty along these lines be sastifactory?

Nope, the princess will burn 😉

21 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

This is creative and intriguing. The issue remains: we have forfeited nearly half our IC (as we should, rather than continue to impose on the Consortium.) This was done with the understanding we would soon have a planet in what might be the wealthiest corner of the sector, evening out our sacrifice. I propose we revisit this agreement when we have finished capturing Zedron and can economically stand shoulder to shoulder with the other players in this war. Tron’di conditions will then be a little easier to swallow, and we are open to the 5th Sector making gains.

Edit: On second glance, we could talk specifics. The mention of selling ships might well yield a solution. If we could buy 36 IC a turn I think resolution is possible. Why no mention of P?

The ships would also be discounted, basically in exchange for providing you with ships I would be funding and repairing the Tron'di .

And referring to P it seems like it is proposed for P to go to @FortyInRed or something. If I end with up with p the same treaty would apply but it isn't a priority in my negotiations

So basically my conditions right now is that I receive ownership of O and Z, and I am open to any proposal involving trading credits or IC etc. That would result in that.

5 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

Nope, the princess will burn 😉

He's just a child! That's barbaric! Children must be saut`eed. Only Duros and Man Calamari can be blackened.

Just now, clontroper5 said:

The ships would also be discounted, basically in exchange for providing you with ships I would be founding and repairing the Tron'di .

And referring to P it seems like it is proposed for P to go to @FortyInRed or something. If I end with up with p the same treaty would apply but it isn't a priority in my negotiations

O is promised to @Matt3412, P was promised to @GhostofNobodyInParticular. Z was to be mine; to lose it, I need an influx of ships (buying a sufficient quantity discounted would achieve this.) We need the Ghosts and the Syndicate to weigh in.

4 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

O is promised to @Matt3412, P was promised to @GhostofNobodyInParticular. Z was to be mine; to lose it, I need an influx of ships (buying a sufficient quantity discounted would achieve this.) We need the Ghosts and the Syndicate to weigh in.

So long as I get P, or reap some of the benefits that ownership of P would grant, I am happy with this proposal.

The Trondi won't be, as they requested financing to keep their ships on the move, but I would prefer it of they didn't get that. . .

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So long as I get P, or reap some of the benefits that ownership of P would grant, I am happy with this proposal.

The Trondi won't be, as they requested financing to keep their ships on the move, but I would prefer it of they didn't get that. . .

Alright. So it looks like there's been a mixup. Biggs has offered Clon P and Z, while FortyinRed gets O. His intent is that we get nothing. Anything we do get is what Clon can offer us, should this deal be accepted.

...I think we should just coordinate with the Syndicate and take what we want. @Matt3412, will your forces arrive soon?

{this is the strangest game of musical chairs I’ve ever seen}

11 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

O is promised to @Matt3412, P was promised to @GhostofNobodyInParticular. Z was to be mine; to lose it, I need an influx of ships (buying a sufficient quantity discounted would achieve this.) We need the Ghosts and the Syndicate to weigh in.

Yeah O is mine 👌

Just now, LTD said:

{this is the strangest game of musical chairs I’ve ever seen}

I blame auto resolve

Also yes I just realized I was offered Z and P instead O.

So edit my previous statements with that assumption (although I would perfer Z and O because of logistical purposes)

Just now, Matt3412 said:

Yeah O is mine 👌

Speaking of which, are you any closer to being able to intervene militarily?

If the IC situation is as dire as the Mandalorians paint it to be, we'll need your help, soon.

@The Jabbawookie do you still require assistance to retake Umbarra? We are in position if needed.

Though, as always, we prefer a diplomatic solution.