10 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@Bertie Wooster - I believe I am in the same camp as many others in that I only need Alberta for a few turns (it has already been searched). In the name of peace, I'm willing to trade it on to the next person in exchange for a planet (planet for planet swap). I'll be able to discuss specific terms in more detail once we are in possession.

Excellent. We'll discuss details then.

9 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular, we have yet to discuss any planetary deals so I don't want this to come across as hostile. Please name your price for a temporary, peaceful occupation of D.

I can offer a one turn planet swap between A and D. I only need A for the public objective (there's only one related to A, right?), so I can offer that as a deal. That way, you get A back and I get D back.

I realize that you want to control A, B and D at the same time, I am not sure how that can be arranged. . . maybe after the above-mentioned deal, you can let me control TC for a turn? I realize it's one planet for 2, but D is my capital, and presumably controlling 3 planets is part of an objective of yours that has a high VP reward? Either way, I'd want some reassurance for giving up my capital, especially given the small number of planets I do control.

(It's a public objective.

Turn Eight Public Objective:

I control Ava T’Farq and all the planets in adjacent systems. 3VP.)

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I can offer a one turn planet swap between A and D. I only need A for the public objective (there's only one related to A, right?), so I can offer that as a deal. That way, you get A back and I get D back.

I realize that you want to control A, B and D at the same time, I am not sure how that can be arranged. . . maybe after the above-mentioned deal, you can let me control TC for a turn? I realize it's one planet for 2, but D is my capital, and presumably controlling 3 planets is part of an objective of yours that has a high VP reward? Either way, I'd want some reassurance for giving up my capital, especially given the small number of planets I do control.

Understood, thank you for even being open to a deal. Just so I'm clear, D is the planet one sector over from A?

I did not realize this is your capital, and would be willing to compensate you handsomely. An "I hold your capital safely for a few (2?) turns in exchange for letting you hold my capital safely later on" seems fair to me (C is my capital). Thoughts?

Let me first come to terms with @Matt3412, as this has several moving parts.

I'm basically trying to avoid an all-out war for A, which would pit you, me, and the Syndicate against each other.

1 minute ago, FortyInRed said:

Understood, thank you for even being open to a deal. Just so I'm clear, D is the planet one sector over from A?

Yep.

1 minute ago, FortyInRed said:

I did not realize this is your capital, and would be willing to compensate you handsomely. An "I hold your capital safely for a few (2?) turns in exchange for letting you hold my capital safely later on" seems fair to me (C is my capital). Thoughts?

I was thinking more concurrently. So, first you give me A and I give you D, then I give you back A and you give me TC. Because D is so important to me, as my only good planet, losing it for 2+ turns would almost financially ruin me, so T is necessary as well.

1 minute ago, FortyInRed said:

I'm basically trying to avoid an all-out war for A, which would pit you, me, and the Syndicate against each other.

I understand and fully support this.

@GhostofNobodyInParticular so the trick is that we need to maintain control over:

* A - Syndicate

* B - Consortium

* C, T - Consortium

* D - GNIPIA

Simultaneously for likely two turns to achieve our objective.

We are willing and glad to hear what it would take to make this a reality, peacefully.

Lending you T and C in exchange for D runs the risk leaving us with no empire whatsoever, assuming @Matt3412 wants to trade planets at the same time.

Let us confer with our GMs and draw up an agreement that I believe will be mutually beneficial to all parties involved. Expect more information within the day.

In the meantime, please consider what it would take to make this transaction happen peacefully. We are able to offer:

*Planet-swaps, such that we still maintain an empire and don't accidentally give away all of our planets one turn

*Warship donations

* Credit / IC tributes

* Alliances

* Dank memes

Or some combination of the above.

Thank you again for even being willing to come to the table here.

5 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular so the trick is that we need to maintain control over:

* A - Syndicate

* B - Consortium

* C, T - Consortium

* D - GNIPIA

Simultaneously for likely two turns to achieve our objective.

We are willing and glad to hear what it would take to make this a reality, peacefully.

Lending you T and C in exchange for D runs the risk leaving us with no empire whatsoever, assuming @Matt3412 wants to trade planets at the same time.

Hmmm. That would nearly cripple our economy. Certainly, we cannot give up D for more than 2 turns, so should you lend us A for a turn, I am afraid we cannot swap it with D if this plan of yours is to go through. Especially considering that we would be unable to claim VPs while it is. Do you absolutely need T & C for the above to work, or do you just want them so as not to lose your empire? If the former, then negotiations will be difficult, as you have nothing to compensate the potential damage rendered unto me by the loss of the capital. If the latter, then maybe we can come to some arrangement, like me lending you I or something as well.

5 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

In the meantime, please consider what it would take to make this transaction happen peacefully. We are able to offer:

*Planet-swaps, such that we still maintain an empire and don't accidentally give away all of our planets one turn

*Warship donations

* Credit / IC tributes

* Alliances

* Dank memes

Or some combination of the above.

Thank you again for even being willing to come to the table here.

I am open to these, but prefer planet swaps, as expressed above. Failing that, Credit & IC compensation is a requirement, given the importance of D to us in those regards. Alliances are tricky, as inevitably they will cause a conflict that may lead to some other alliance being broken.

Let us see what the following turns bring, and return to the negotiations table having ruminated over the above in light of next turn's new information.

@FortyInRed I am not opposed to you eventually holding A, B

However I am not currently comfortable with me not having one planet at all times, meaning I can get give you A if you were to deliver another planet+compensation that would provide me with equal values

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Hmmm. That would nearly cripple our economy. Certainly, we cannot give up D for more than 2 turns, so should you lend us A for a turn, I am afraid we cannot swap it with D if this plan of yours is to go through. Especially considering that we would be unable to claim VPs while it is. Do you absolutely need T & C for the above to work, or do you just want them so as not to lose your empire? If the former, then negotiations will be difficult, as you have nothing to compensate the potential damage rendered unto me by the loss of the capital. If the latter, then maybe we can come to some arrangement, like me lending you I or something as well.

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - in the sake of full transparency, I am attempting to achieve the turn 8 public objective without bloodshed. Doing so would require me to possess all of those planets listed for a full turn, which in my experience means arriving on turn n, staying turn n+1, then leaving turn n+2. I can definitely understand your desire to trade D for T+C, but doing so would prevent me from being able to complete the objective, and would cripple us both for no perceived gain. It is of no worry, it was a long shot to begin with, and I appreciate you being willing to even consider it.

As you said, let us discuss this matter further at another time. Perhaps increased territorial gains in future by one/both of us will make this more palatable. We leave, as we arrived, in peace.

@Matt3412 similarly, I think my grand request to possess both A and B might need to wait for the future. Let us table that discussion for now. Perhaps we just go back to the previously-discussed "B plus something for A" swap?

I only intend to possess A for a short time period, and am open to swapping to other players in the name of peace going forward. I worry that a system wherein I pay you X credits per turn, then I in turn charge someone else Y credits per turn, who charges someone else Z credits per turn is complication without value.

How about this - I give you B and 30 credits, you give me A. Done. Any future negotiations are up to us from there forward?

@GhostofNobodyInParticular I must again protest your senseless declaration of war. This will not go well for you.

If you decide to do this, I will make sure that even if the Mandos wipe me out, you will be the one who bears the brunt of the fighting. They will get the prizes, my capital, and all of this rhey will get relatively uncontested.

You will have to fight tooth and nail to even get a planet from me.

I am prepared to do this specifically to spite you, and you in particular, for your betrayal.

Will I be able to sack your homeworld before your allies arrive? Will I push your forces aside at D? Maybe. That would be bad for you.

Will I at least bloody you into irrelevency so that when the Mando / Consortium / Berzerker / Syndicate alliance turns its hungery eye towards you, even the your allies won't be able to save you? Definately.

Already I turn my baleful eye towards you. Rethink your plans before it is too late.

This is my promise.

- Governor-General Tron'di

Just now, BiggsIRL said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular I must again protest your senseless declaration of war. This will not go well for you.

If you decide to do this, I will make sure that even if the Mandos wipe me out, you will be the one who bears the brunt of the fighting. They will get the prizes, my capital, and all of this rhey will get relatively uncontested.

You will have to fight tooth and nail to even get a planet from me.

I am prepared to do this specifically to spite you, and you in particular, for your betrayal.

Will I be able to sack your homeworld before your allies arrive? Will I push your forces aside at D? Maybe. That would be bad for you.

Will I at least bloody you into irrelevency so that when the Mando / Consortium / Berzerker / Syndicate alliance turns its hungery eye towards you, even the your allies won't be able to save you? Definately.

Already I turn my baleful eye towards you. Rethink your plans before it is too late.

This is my promise.

- Governor-General Tron'di

@GhostofNobodyInParticular we do not punish those who work toward our goals. Note that his forces have attacked Hurikane; any ships he sent there are currently out of range to strike you.

In addition to our current local nonaggression pact, we will provide you with ownership of Pen'tok regardless of who conquers it. Furthermore, the Mandalorians stand ready to help you and the 5th Sector clear Gnippian skies, should the need arise. Hopefully @FortyInRed would consider this to be a security action as well? I know he's trying to negotiate a deal with you eventually, and the Syndicate will be helping us cover our borders...

4 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular I must again protest your senseless declaration of war. This will not go well for you.

If you decide to do this, I will make sure that even if the Mandos wipe me out, you will be the one who bears the brunt of the fighting. They will get the prizes, my capital, and all of this rhey will get relatively uncontested.

You will have to fight tooth and nail to even get a planet from me.

I am prepared to do this specifically to spite you, and you in particular, for your betrayal.

Will I be able to sack your homeworld before your allies arrive? Will I push your forces aside at D? Maybe. That would be bad for you.

Will I at least bloody you into irrelevency so that when the Mando / Consortium / Berzerker / Syndicate alliance turns its hungery eye towards you, even the your allies won't be able to save you? Definately.

Already I turn my baleful eye towards you. Rethink your plans before it is too late.

This is my promise.

- Governor-General Tron'di

Your personalization of the conflict is disconcerting. We seek only to secure our borders, not your elimination.

Nevertheless, we will meet your vendetta head-on. We have committed to the war, and will not turn back. We shall place our trust in our allies coming to our aid.

@clontroper5 this threat causes us to urge you to send as many reinforcements as possible ASAP. We see no reason to battle fairly with a nation that betrays an alliance and then declares a personal vendetta against a worried neighbor.

@The Jabbawookie above addresses my requests preemptively. I am encouraged by his unprompted goodwill, and will therefore determinedly strive to remove the oathbreakers from our sector, despite the damage it may materially cause us.

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

It costs nothing to offer others things that are not yet yours.

This is a personal betrayal, because you have made it so. When have I upset your borders? Name me a time!

Your borders are secure! You merely must stay your hand, like you should have done to begin with. Or join with me, and begin the fight that will surely take place once I am eliminated, but with you weakened and unable to stop what is to come.

If I could take you both on I would, but my fleets can only be in so many places at once.

So, given the choice, will I fight the guy who has no forces near me, who will take at least 2 turns to even get near my capital, and who attacked my friend? Or do I fight the guy right at my border, who stabbed me in the back?

There is nothing in this fight for you.

Just pain.

And loss.

And your eventual destruction, either at my hand, or at the hands of your so-called allies.

You must reconsider, because if you don't you will wish I was still around to say "I told you so".

@FortyInRed

General Tron'di's bluster asside - would you be willing to put the Crown-Prince upon the throne at Ava F'tarq? His coronation is more important than some silly war. I can ensure that he reaches your planets, safe from this senseless conflict.

You are his only hope.

- Minister H. Hinsom

10 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - in the sake of full transparency, I am attempting to achieve the turn 8 public objective without bloodshed.

(Speaking as an independent, I would have to say this is nearly impossible. This objective, like most of them, was meant to go along with destruction of your opponents.)

10 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular we do not punish those who work toward our goals. Note that his forces have attacked Hurikane; any ships he sent there are currently out of range to strike you.

In addition to our current local nonaggression pact, we will provide you with ownership of Pen'tok regardless of who conquers it. Furthermore, the Mandalorians stand ready to help you and the 5th Sector clear Gnippian skies, should the need arise. Hopefully @FortyInRed would consider this to be a security action as well? I know he's trying to negotiate a deal with you eventually, and the Syndicate will be helping us cover our borders...



@The Jabbawookie and @GhostofNobodyInParticular indeed I do see this as a security action. If our "B for A" swap with @Matt3412 does indeed go through, then the war will be right on our doorstep (not to mention the fighting over Hurrikane, which is one jump away). We will have a sizable force ready to intervene at both D and H if needed, and will hold till our allies call for help. Just say the word, and I can provide a relief force.

Note that our Brewers are close to replicating the mechanism that caused Hank's "Stomack Floo", and are prepared to add this tool to our already impressive list of planetary assault weapons:

* Beer Kegs dropped from orbit, full of "recycled" beer

* Daft, foul-smelling goons drunk enough to fight with inanimate objects

* And now "totally not tainted Moulson", which can be poured into local water supplies as needed to induce a righteous hangover among a resistant populace.

Now you understand the source of our "ground forces advantage"

9 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

@FortyInRed

General Tron'di's bluster asside - would you be willing to put the Crown-Prince upon the throne at Ava F'tarq? His coronation is more important than some silly war. I can ensure that he reaches your planets, safe from this senseless conflict.

You are his only hope.

- Minister H. Hinsom

@BiggsIRL - friend, what would you have me do? You are asking for a planet we do not yet possess!

Out of respect for you, we have declined to "claim" planets you currently possess as a spoil of war as our allies have done, and have instead offered rearguard actions so that we will not be put int the situation of having to fire upon you directly.

But make no mistake, our peoples are at war. Encroach upon our territory, or upon the territory of our co-signatories, and you will be fired upon. If you move into territory that is within striking distance, we will strike. Do not force us to take this unpleasant action.

You are correct in that we are your only hope at this point. You have been a friend to our people in past, and we are glad to negotiate on your behalf, but your bellicose words and actions make the odds of a peaceful resolution increasingly dim.

The only discussions we will entertain at this point in time are cessation to hostilities.

38 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

(Speaking as an independent, I would have to say this is nearly impossible. This objective, like most of them, was meant to go along with destruction of your opponents.)

Indeed, agreed.

On 3/11/2019 at 5:31 PM, idjmv said:

@The Jabbawookie, @Matt3412, we only wish for our alliance to stay strong (@FortyInRedthat includes you too if you stay on our side) and maybe some credits as we are running low

Still catching up from the dreaded "Stomack Floo". Do you still require credits @idjmv?

Let us know how much you need?

59 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

Still catching up from the dreaded "Stomack Floo". Do you still require credits @idjmv?

Let us know how much you need?

We are back on our feet, thanks to the Mandos. Thank you however.

@Matt3412 I'm told orders are due to fleet commanders shortly. What do you think of my offer to trade you Brotein and 30 credits (one time) for Alberta?

I will leave a single GF on B to prevent rebellion, and instructions to surrender only to you. I ask that you do the same.

9 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

@Matt3412 I'm told orders are due to fleet commanders shortly. What do you think of my offer to trade you Brotein and 30 credits (one time) for Alberta?

I will leave a single GF on B to prevent rebellion, and instructions to surrender only to you. I ask that you do the same.

I'm not likeing the terms currently let's negotiate more next turn since orders are past due

Hopefully we can come to a mutually beneficial agreement

37 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

I'm not likeing the terms currently let's negotiate more next turn since orders are past due

Hopefully we can come to a mutually beneficial agreement

That works - let's proceed with turn 11 as is. Care to propose alternate terms?

Are we close or still way off?

Turn 11 is being processed now.

Please hold.

We have hyperpings at: dsA, D, Z, O, P, dsER, U, G, M, H, W, L, G, dsB, dsB, dsTC, Y.

Combat Occurs at Hurrikane - a Mandalorian Battle Force engages a single Trondi Z-95.
256 vs 7
97% vs 3% = -9 to the roll
ROLL: 4 - 9 = -3 Defender takes 100% casualties.

Planet Hurrikane is recaptured by the Mandalorian First Order - no casualties reported.

Combat occurs at Pentok - a GNIPian fleet engages the Trondi.
269 vs 108
71% vs 29% = -4 to the roll
ROLL: 10 - 4 = 6 Attacker takes 20% casualties, defender takes 30%
GNIP loses GRM, Trondi loses GRM and 1 HWK squadron.
Trondi fleet forced to retreat.

Planet Pentok is blockaded - further action pending.

Please continue to hold.

Combat occurs at Diomedes. A 5th Sector Authority fleet has arrived at a GNIP world with "no fire" orders. The GNIP forces do not have the same orders in place.
220 vs 212
50% vs 50% : no mods to roll, but a +1 to the GNIP defenders for firing on a force holding fire.
ROLL: 6 + 1 = 7: Both sides takes 30% casualties.
ISD1 (1) is scarred. 80CC (1) is scarred.
The GNIP force is outnumbered and obliged to retreat (all GF with the GNIP fleet landed on the planet before battle was fought)

Diomedes is NOT blockaded.

At Gestalt, a Nordic Beserker fleet has surrendered to the Mandalorian First Order: 1 Gozanti and 2 GF.

At dsB a Nordic Beserker fleet has jumped to coordinates expecting to meet the 5th Sector Authority. No meeting took place.

I think that is everything - if I have missed scout reports or obvious combat please let me know.

Please remember to tag me in any VP claims for turn 11.

Turn 12 is now live. 72 hours until orders are due.

My apologies again on the long delay in processing. I am not traveling again in the foreseeable future.

31 minutes ago, LTD said:

Planet Pentok is blockaded - further action pending.

GNIP forces have bombarded Pentok. 1 GF destroyed.