16 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

The sovereignty of the Consortium was not a part of your non-aggression pact with MOFO.

Protection of territory granted by the Crown-Prince is the mandate of Governor-General Tron'di and has been from the beginning.

We have acted in accordance with this mandate.

Just now, BiggsIRL said:

Protection of territory granted by the Crown-Prince is the mandate of Governor-General Tron'di and has been from the beginning.

We have acted in accordance with this mandate.

That is not a violation of a treaty, that is the breaking of an at-the-time empty and arbitrary promise, and it was dishonest of you not to declare war at the time, rather than wait and strike now. The latter point is our main concern.

@clontroper5 - 5th Sector - we must beg you to bring cooler heads into this. Look at the big picture here - who benefits in a fight between the Tron'di and GNIPS?

11 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

A post from when I first encountered the Consortium, and above that a post made during the illegal Mando occupation of C'anada.

Those display your allegiances and recognitions of sovereignty, not ours. As you well know, we never had an obligation to comply with any of your foreign relations, in the same way you were not forced to comply with ours. It’s simply something that was never discussed, by virtue of how absurd the notion was.

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Those display your allegiances and recognitions of sovereignty, not ours. As you well know, we never had an obligation to comply with any of your foreign relations, in the same way you were not forced to comply with ours. It’s simply something that was never discussed, by virtue of how absurd the notion was.

Your territory and our non-aggression pact, were contingent upon your recognition of the Crown-Prince's sole authority to grant legitimacy to governors of these worlds.

8 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

@clontroper5 - 5th Sector - we must beg you to bring cooler heads into this. Look at the big picture here - who benefits in a fight between the Tron'di and GNIPS?

Umm, whoever ends up with the planets?

To be fair, if it was I in Gnips Shoes I would have sided with you Against the Mando's. But again it is not my territory at risk and as such I will respect the decisions of the Gnipians.

In war, you buy worlds through the sacrifice of your forces. The more sides your target opposes, the cheaper those worlds come.

The only economic losers in this scenario are the Tron’di Irregulars.

Let's pull the wording of our agreement into the light.

On 2/12/2019 at 8:49 PM, BiggsIRL said:

Fellow citizens of F-Tarq, it should be known that Pen'tok, Zedron, it's sister planet Odron are under the protection of the Crown-Prince and Governor-General Tron'di. Let none lay claim on these sacred holdings of the crown.

Likewise the true seat of His Majesty's power, where he will ascend the throne, is to be considered his by birthright. Any that contest this fact must be either foe, or ally that hold his seat until such time as he may claim it. Decide who you are before you make your declarations.

On 2/12/2019 at 9:52 PM, BiggsIRL said:

[Yeah, laying claim to P, O, and Z.

Also A. Eventually. Prince gotta get his crown.]

On 2/12/2019 at 9:56 PM, BiggsIRL said:

@The Jabbawookie

Greetings from Governor-General Tron'di! A great respect for my Mandalorian Compatriots! I have served with your kind during the Clone Wars, and have nothing but friendship to.offer you.

It sounds as though we are soon to be neighbors, as your claimed planet of H will be on the outside of our current controlled borders. The Crown-Prince has agreed that you should administer it in his stead.

[OOC: Peace, bro?]

On 2/12/2019 at 10:09 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

The Mandalorians readily accept this offer. The best wars are fought on someone else's backyard.

A message from Hank the Drunk's wife, Emma the Wish-I-had-Married-That-Nice-Banker-Instead, Hank is recovering nicely and will be making his proclamation shortly. Though, as usual, he cannot resist the urge to drop a culturally-relevant video clip:

PS - all this fighting over my husband is making me jealous..

An announcement from Hank the "I won't ever touch that stuff again, today"

Friends @BiggsIRL and @The Jabbawookie,

Your conflict saddens me. We find ourselves in a difficult situation. Are we "Captain America" or "Iron Man" (excellent reference by the way)?

To recap our contractual obligations:

• No shoot with @The Jabbawookie, @Matt3412, and @idjmv until turn 13
• No shoot with @BiggsIRL until turn 12

13 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

Who are your friends, @FortyInRed? The ones who attacked you? Sacked your capital? Demanded a tribute in Consortium ships? The ones who attacked Alberta / Ava F'Tarq, taking it from you?

Or the one that came to your assistance? The one who provided you ships to get you on your feet when asked. The one who waited in deep space instead of popping into your capital planet at your request? The one who's stated claims of moving to secure Alberta for you scared your true enemy into moving on it, allowing you to hit their capital and make peace?

Who are your friends?

Note that the agreement we came to was on our terms. While we still regret the strategic error that left our Capital unguarded, the Mandalorians were within their rights to attack us. Forgive them? No. Understand their motivations, yes. We respect strength, and we respect honor. We will respect our commitment to deliver Don Cherry the Great, and one squadron of Bro-Wings to them on turn 12 as previously agreed.

With that in mind, we are forced to honor our agreements. We will not come to your aid this turn, and are glad to negotiate a peace treaty with the Mandalorians on your behalf. I expect their price to be high.

To our friends the Mandalorians, we are thankful for your offer to end our IC tribute payments and wish you good hunting. We are unable to assist you directly this turn due to the distances involved, but are glad to provide additional security around Mandalorian worlds of Gestalt and Hurrikane as needed so that you may fulfill this conflict to your satisfaction without worrying about your obligations at home. If the conflict indeed persists beyond turn 12, we will join the conflict directly.

Hank

On 3/10/2019 at 10:34 PM, Bertie Wooster said:

In order to search for the chalice, do you need to control the planet, or just send a scout? You could send a scout to X once we've conquered it, and issue no-fire orders for the turn.

We also have an excess of credits, and are trying to build ships and GF for ourselves, so we're not sure yet about the beer carrier offer. We'll think about it. How large of a beer carrier?

Just a follow-up @FortyInRed, you're welcome to send a scout to our planet (just let us know in advance) if it helps with finding your chalice.

We'll have to decline your offer to buy ships from us. We're finally finished with our war with the Preyerhold, and we're going to need time to rebuild and recover.

4 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Just a follow-up @FortyInRed, you're welcome to send a scout to our planet (just let us know in advance) if it helps with finding your chalice.

We'll have to decline your offer to buy ships from us. We're finally finished with our war with the Preyerhold, and we're going to need time to rebuild and recover.

Indeed, thank you. We may take you up on your offer later, with sufficient heads up of course, once the current war between my allies wraps up.

4 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

An announcement from Hank the "I won't ever touch that stuff again, today"

Friends @BiggsIRL and @The Jabbawookie,

Your conflict saddens me. We find ourselves in a difficult situation. Are we "Captain America" or "Iron Man" (excellent reference by the way)?

To recap our contractual obligations:

• No shoot with @The Jabbawookie, @Matt3412, and @idjmv until turn 13
• No shoot with @BiggsIRL until turn 12

We have gone to war with a sentient race only once in past, and that was to enforce a previously agreed-upon planetary trade. When we accidentally fired upon your forces, we did all that was within our power to make it right, even as enemies were at our gates. We take agreements seriously, for if you cannot take a leader at his word, by what measure can you trust him (or her)?

This whole manner would have been much easier had you waited until turn 14 to engage in fisticuffs. Alas. You truly are a friend, but you have put us in a difficult situation.

We can appreciate how this might be your perspective:

Note that the agreement we came to was on our terms. While we still regret the strategic error that left our Capital unguarded, the Mandalorians were within their rights to attack us. Forgive them? No. Understand their motivations, yes. We respect strength, and we respect honor. We will respect our commitment to deliver Don Cherry the Great, and one squadron of Bro-Wings to them on turn 12 as previously agreed.

With that in mind, we are forced to honor our agreements. We will not come to your aid this turn, and are glad to negotiate a peace treaty with the Mandalorians on your behalf. I expect their price to be high.

To our friends the Mandalorians, we are thankful for your offer to end our IC tribute payments and wish you good hunting. We are unable to assist you directly this turn due to the distances involved, but are glad to provide additional security around Mandalorian worlds of Gestalt and Hurrikane as needed so that you may fulfill this conflict to your satisfaction without worrying about your obligations at home. If the conflict indeed persists beyond turn 12, we will join the conflict directly.

Hank

You have our deepest thanks; it was seeing this degree of ijaa in you that caused us to stay our blades in the first place. An honorable ally is worth more than a star system. However our war may fare, the first IC payment we receive from you will be the last. The Mando’ade will have need of your defensive aid soon; we’ll be in touch.

Oya!

Notice to the Owner of Planet A (I think it's @Matt3412) my fleet will be passing through your system in Deep space on route to the Front line.

10 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Notice to the Owner of Planet A (I think it's @Matt3412) my fleet will be passing through your system in Deep space on route to the Front line.

We hopefully not require 5th Sector Fleet intervention at this time, but if you intend to fight, please let us know where you will be to avoid friendly fire.

I suspect helping the Ghosts take Pen'tok would be most productive, as the remaining two planets are spoken for: one is promised to the Syndicate, the other will enable us to stop receiving IC from the Consortium.

12 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

We hopefully not require 5th Sector Fleet intervention at this time, but if you intend to fight, please let us know where you will be to avoid friendly fire.

I suspect helping the Ghosts take Pen'tok would be most productive, as the remaining two planets are spoken for: one is promised to the Syndicate, the other will enable us to stop receiving IC from the Consortium.

I am mostly intending to act as a garrison force for Gnips, but should he request Assistance at P it will be granted.

10 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

I am mostly intending to act as a garrison force for Gnips, but should he request Assistance at P it will be granted.

If you could protect D, I think I can handle P quite effectively.

Who is "next in line" to score VPs from Ava F'Tarq? ( @Matt3412 is there now, we think.) We will need to take control of the planet for two turns to score a few VPs, and we can get there in three turns minimum. But we don't want to "bust in front" of anyone if we can avoid it.

10 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Who is "next in line" to score VPs from Ava F'Tarq? ( @Matt3412 is there now, we think.) We will need to take control of the planet for two turns to score a few VPs, and we can get there in three turns minimum. But we don't want to "bust in front" of anyone if we can avoid it.

I need Ava FTarq to score some vps but that's kinda far away from now

5 minutes ago, idjmv said:

I need Ava FTarq to score some vps but that's kinda far away from now

16 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Who is "next in line" to score VPs from Ava F'Tarq? ( @Matt3412 is there now, we think.) We will need to take control of the planet for two turns to score a few VPs, and we can get there in three turns minimum. But we don't want to "bust in front" of anyone if we can avoid it.

It is literally next door to me, so I also want to put in a request to score some VPs off it, and can do it soon.

@FortyInRed or @Matt3412 would you mind me borrowing A for a turn? I am open to compensating you in some way.

10 minutes ago, idjmv said:

I need Ava FTarq to score some vps but that's kinda far away from now

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

It is literally next door to me, so I also want to put in a request to score some VPs off it, and can do it soon.

@FortyInRed or @Matt3412 would you mind me borrowing A for a turn? I am open to compensating you in some way.

21 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

Who is "next in line" to score VPs from Ava F'Tarq? ( @Matt3412 is there now, we think.) We will need to take control of the planet for two turns to score a few VPs, and we can get there in three turns minimum. But we don't want to "bust in front" of anyone if we can avoid it.

ALL

we are currently in negotiations to permanently relinquish ownership to @FortyInRed

no further bidders will be taken into consideration. We intend to come to terms with Hank.

Hank, have you thought about our previous offer we would be open to doing it next turn

27 minutes ago, Matt3412 said:

ALL

we are currently in negotiations to permanently relinquish ownership to @FortyInRed

no further bidders will be taken into consideration. We intend to come to terms with Hank.

Hank, have you thought about our previous offer we would be open to doing it next turn

If we were @FortyInRed we would not take that offer. "I have controlled Ava T’Farq the entire turn" is one of the public objectives, not to mention controlling Ava F'Tarq is required for many of our not-so-secret objectives.

You are trying to "sell" the planet because you have already achieved your objectives and don't need it anymore. The rest of us are not so lucky.

2 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

If we were @FortyInRed we would not take that offer. "I have controlled Ava T’Farq the entire turn" is one of the public objectives, not to mention controlling Ava F'Tarq is required for many of our not-so-secret objectives.

You are trying to "sell" the planet because you have already achieved your objectives and don't need it anymore. The rest of us are not so lucky.

Ahhh the sweet sound of leverage...

However I have already told hank I would trade it to him eventually so i dont know what to tell you

(Sorry @Matt3412, I think I was too harsh above. I read "permanent ownership" and got jumpy.)

We'll just make our negotiations with the Consortium if they take the deal. If they take Ava F'Tarq, they'll have something we want, and if the chalice is on our lands, we may have something they want.

@FortyInRed We have something good to offer in exchange for control of Ava F'Tarq for two turns. But we'll wait until you have control first.

1 hour ago, Matt3412 said:

ALL

we are currently in negotiations to permanently relinquish ownership to @FortyInRed

no further bidders will be taken into consideration. We intend to come to terms with Hank.

Hank, have you thought about our previous offer we would be open to doing it next turn

1 hour ago, Bertie Wooster said:

(Sorry @Matt3412, I think I was too harsh above. I read "permanent ownership" and got jumpy.)

We'll just make our negotiations with the Consortium if they take the deal. If they take Ava F'Tarq, they'll have something we want, and if the chalice is on our lands, we may have something they want.

@FortyInRed We have something good to offer in exchange for control of Ava F'Tarq for two turns. But we'll wait until you have control first.

@Matt3412 - yes I have, sorry, meant to get back to you. I have something a little more ambitious in mind that would require me holding both A and B, and eventually D, provided this can all be done peacefully. Obviously this requires careful coordination with you, me, and @GhostofNobodyInParticular, who I believe currently owns D.

Would you be open to me holding both A and B for two turns? I'm glad to relinquish one of them back to you, plus a reward to you as a "thanks".

@GhostofNobodyInParticular, we have yet to discuss any planetary deals so I don't want this to come across as hostile. Please name your price for a temporary, peaceful occupation of D.

<Briefly breaking character>

@LTD as an aside, that is "D" next to "A", right, not "O"?. I have a hard time telling them apart.

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@Bertie Wooster - I believe I am in the same camp as many others in that I only need Alberta for a few turns (it has already been searched). In the name of peace, I'm willing to trade it on to the next person in exchange for a planet (planet for planet swap). I'll be able to discuss specific terms in more detail once we are in possession.