15 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Same here. I'm fairly sure I yelled "NO WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" at the Mando at one point.

Loved the episode though. The world & environment were really well done, always great to see some of the classic Star Wars aliens.

And seeing one of my favourite ships on screen was good as well.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the actor. I'm sure they said exactly that on Twitter a while back

She was my idol growing up before I knew she was and played one of my namesakes so I definitely have a thing for her, lol.

But yes, seeing that ship on screen was interesting! Because we know based off of Battlefront II 2 and Squadrons that, they aren't REALLY supposed to be THAT complex looking... And yet here they are, gorgeous as ever. But the re-used floors didn't make a lot of interior sense, that I will wholeheartedly maintain. Either way, it looked FANTASTIC and GORGEOUS in equal measure. A ship I'd be proud to captain.

NOW AS FOR ANOTHER THING, BOY IT WAS COOL TO SEE A CERTAIN THING FROM REPUBLIC COMMANDO MAKE ITS WAY IN.

27 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

But yes, seeing that ship on screen was interesting! Because we know based off of Battlefront II 2 and Squadrons that, they aren't REALLY supposed to be THAT complex looking...

2 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Oh, please , can you tell me (under spoilers) what ship?

Nice!!

So much to love in this short episode. Obviously not the length, but the content.. woot!

spoilers beware below.

First off, the walker crane.. THIS is what a walker is good for.. AT-AT is cool, albeit dumb design, but the crane.. I want one for Legion!

Frog Lady and Frog Husband.. I mean.. I got anxiety with her looking around and calling out that I was so scared her husband had.. croaked. NO apologies for the pun. These two had such emotion in their acting, I loved it!
Related though.. Baby Yoda deserved to be attacked by his dinner, but him interacting with the tadpole was awesome. But speaking of the eggs. There seemed to be only one that the fertilization took. So.. as much as I wasn't a fan if the child eating them.. what if he knew which ones wouldn't take? Excuses sure, but he is clearly fast enough to catch a frog, he could have scooped up that tadpole. Just a musing.

Bo-Katan and the Nite Owls. So excited to see and hear Katee Sackhoff in person. Steam rolling the troopers.. hooboy, was fun. The little details on her headband, and the armour. So good on screen. Not to mention different factions of Mandalorians.. I love it! Having a single planet/people have different factions and cultures is so unusual in sci-fi, usually they are mono-themed. I love factions.

Then... the Gozanti. One of my most favourite ships on screen, and it looked gorgeous. I would so love a deckplan of one of those. Such a good work horse of the Empire. The comedy with the officers is quite fitting. I swear most imperials are well on their way to being Modern Major Generals.

Then next episode.. we’ll be halfway through the season. We could see Ahsoka in person, which if the rumours hold true is Rosario Dawson, which is a shame because Ashley Eckstien deserves it.. if only she weren't so tiny. I mean 13 cm height difference is quite a bit, especially to Pedro’s 1.8m.

But will the child be passed on to Ahsoka? I don't think so. I have a feeling that Ahsoka is going to say she can't. I'm curious to see how long after Endor the Rebels Finale was? Do we know? Perhaps Ahsoka is just now in the way to meet Sabine? Perhaps Sabine is with her? Perhaps Ezra too? Can't wait till we find out.. though will the razor crest make it there next week, or will it have to stop and make repairs in another side mission? My guess is the latter.

Finally, we learned that not all Mon Calamari are competent ship builders and mechanics. Was the Razor Crest being held together with.. rigging? Those repairs do not give me confidence the ship makes it to the “city if Calodan on the forest planet of Corvus”.

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

B ut will the child be passed on to Ahsoka? I don't think so. I have a feeling that Ahsoka is going to say she can't...

...nah, that was never the endgame. The Mandalorian has been quested to return the child to his own people. Finding the Jedi is just a step on the journey to finding the child's own kind.

3 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Finally, we learned that not all Mon Calamari are competent ship builders and mechanics. Was the Razor Crest being held together with.. rigging? Those repairs do not give me confidence the ship makes it to the “city if Calodan on the forest planet of Corvus”.

Mon Cals are renown bodgers that don't care much for blueprints or designs. This guy took a ship that was in a dozen pieces, got stuff that was handy in a fishing port town and made it fly again. Jobs a good 'un.

24 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

...nah, that was never the endgame. The Mandalorian has been quested to return the child to his own people. Finding the Jedi is just a step on the journey to finding the child's own kind.

I thought so originally to, but then Mando said he was looking for Jedi, not a species like The Child. Granted perhaps he thinks the Jedi look like him? Or like you said maybe he hopes the Jedi will have some answers for him.

Regardless Ahsoka may help him a little but at this time it is likely only Luke and Leia out there. We know Ezra is alive but unknown where he is and we don't know Cal Kestis's fate yet.

I watched!! Holy moly!!!! This one was terrific!

30 minutes ago, Odanan said:

I watched!! Holy moly!!!! This one was terrific!

All I'm going to say is THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IMPERIAL TRANSPORTS DON'T HAVE GUNBOAT ESCORTS.

As much as people ***** about Lucas bringing in the New Mandalorians, I love what that has lead to with the Mandos. What we have no is a much, much more interesting culture to play with, rather than Traviss's fanboyish version.

Really interesting episode for me. And kinda hard to talk about without spoilers, but I'll give it a shot.

So, first up I need to state that I think that was 35 of the best minutes of live action Star Wars I've ever seen. Admittedly, I'm a crotchety OT-er these days but still. I want to be very clear about that before people start their retorts to what I'm going to say later. This was a really entertaining episode.

Whether it's Jon and Dave's doing I'm not sure, but someone on this creative team really gets how to do Star Wars. This is the sort of stuff I dreamed about as a teenager, it really is like parts of the EU or the RPGs coming to life on screen. Some of the detail stuff is just perfect. The use of non-humans is so spot on. I wish so much that the people making the ST could have had this sort of sense for continuity. I'm not even talking about using familiar OT aliens either, I'm talking about using aliens in ways that make sense. This planet could have been another Mos Eisley cantina of random aliens, but it's not. It uses believable communities. It's not just one Quarren on a water planet thrown in as an easter egg, it's a community of Quarren that settled somewhere like their homeworld together. Just like the village in S1 was all humans who had chosen to settle somewhere out in the fringes, this is a community who presumably all came together. It makes sense. It looks good. It feels right. Plus, the Quarren were all universally dicks. I love it. I do wish a little bit that the Quarren could have been speaking their native tongue as it seems like it would physically be really difficult to push out Basic, and one thing the Star Wars movies always did well was have aliens speaking their own languages. But I guess it would be pushing it that Mando understands Quarren, and the writers have wisely left out super convenient translators. So whatever.

The second thing I loved is the spoiler territory. Anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what I'm talking about, but those three characters were awesome . Seriously. I'm not the biggest fan of the Clone Wars series, but there are parts I really like. That character was one of them. To see her in live action, played by the awesome actress who voiced her..... It was just perfect. What a cool character.

Finally getting a bit of information on Mando's particular creed and filling in those gaps created by the portrayal of Mandalorians in other sources was spot on too. I think everyone probably had guessed what was up, but it's nice to finally get a bit of progression and confirmation.

Now, the reason I think this episode was 'interesting'.

As cool as all the stuff above was, I really feel like this episode sidelined Mando in his own series and I'm sort of worried where it's all going. I'm so torn on what I think about this episode. On the hand, the continuity and tie-ins to other SW media were awesome, but on the other I don't want this series to become a sequel to Clone Wars and Rebels. I want this to be its own thing. I want Mando to be a protagonist with agency and I feel like he's losing that. He's just going around being told what to do by other characters and I don't really feel like he has a personal stake in this any more. This is made even worse by how the episode ends. They send Mando off to a character we all knew was coming because it was an even worse kept secret than the cameo from the first episode, but rather than get me excited all that name drop did is make me feel weary. That's the third series this character is going to appear in and potentially dominate and I'm personally not stoked about it.

Baby Yoda has also become a thing the writers need to write around rather than driving any of the story himself. They seem to need to come up with more reasons to keep him out of scenes than put him in them at the moment.

I have no idea of knowing what the writers' original intention with him was, and whether the plan was always to have him be the only other permanent 'cast member', but if it wasn't then, it is now. He's a super popular cash cow and is probably more iconically associated with the show than the friggin' titular character.

But I really, really think he should have been a one season plot device. The first episode of this season should have been Mando handing him over and moving on to a new season arc. Something about his own past, or the Mandalorian purge or the Darksaber or something . Hot take, but Baby Yoda has been dead weight all three of these episodes and is now being used as a device to tie in more Clone Wars characters. I would much rather see more of the Mandalorian Covert and the Imperial Remnant. I'd much rather see some brand new underworld stuff. ****, if we need to tie stuff in then I'd rather see what's become of Qi'ra's Crimson Dawn.

A weird episode. The three blue characters completely stole the show for me. And that is somehow simultaneously a really good and bad thing.

3 hours ago, Sithborg said:

As much as people ***** about Lucas bringing in the New Mandalorians, I love what that has lead to with the Mandos. What we have no is a much, much more interesting culture to play with, rather than Traviss's fanboyish version.

Nah, I'm still gonna **** talk Lucas on this one.

What he did specifically hasn't added anything at all.

All the interesting stuff has come about through a decade of soft retcons and contributions from other writers. The cool side of the Mandalorians we have now is due to Death Watch, Filoni re-writing the Mandalorians in Rebels and the last season of Clone Wars (basically back to their Legends incarnations) and now from the Mandalorian.

And I would argue that what we have now is actually virtually identical to the state of the Mandalorians in Legends pre Karen Traviss (and don't get me wrong, I really don't like her take either). The Mandalorians of the OT era in canon are now armoured warriors who have been all but annihilated and scattered through the galaxy in various tribes of varying adherence to tradition and code. That is exactly what they were in 90s era Legends.

The only difference is that in Legends, Death Watch were chaotic evil hardcore Mandos who went even beyond the standard warrior tradition and were bad guys for the 'real' Mandos. In canon, Death Watch now seem like the traditionalist, 'real' Mandos and their culture has supplanted the pacifist mandos. Legends Death Watch were acceptable bad guys for real Mando Jango Fett to kill. Canon Death Watch are Legends Mandos.

The pacifist Mandalorians Lucas introduced have been essentially expunged at this point, and basically no reference is being made to them by any of the interesting Mandalorian factions we have now.

I want to point out that basically all the cool Mandos we have left are tied to Death Watch in some way. Bo Katan was a member. Clan Wren were part of House Viszla and so presumably part of Death Watch. Mando was saved by Mandalorians with the clan Viszla sigil. And the name of his cult, as we find out in this episode, strongly suggests a relationship with Death Watch. And there's still that whole Paz Vizla/voiced by Jon Favreau question.

The pacifist Mandos aren't responsible for any of this. This would all be the same if Mandos had been written the 'traditional' way from the start. You just wouldn't need to explain that by season 7 of Clone Wars, Death Watch had basically 'won' by getting Bo Katan at the head of the Mando people. Having basically the whole population of Mandalore armoured up and split between loyalist and Maul's faction by season 7 is basically a total retcon of all the previous seasons.

10 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

All I'm going to say is THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IMPERIAL TRANSPORTS DON'T HAVE GUNBOAT ESCORTS.

Worse, as an Imperial gozanti it would have been real easy for them to have a pair of TIE Fighters docked as escorts.

It's cool, though. It's the remnant. Lack of resources is a perfectly self explanatory justification. They also got pretty unlucky with the specific nature of their attackers. Kinda hard to predict that happening when your boss is the guy responsible for.... y'know.

17 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

So much to love in this short episode. Obviously not the length, but the content.. woot!

spoilers beware below.

Then... the Gozanti. One of my most favourite ships on screen, and it looked gorgeous. I would so love a deckplan of one of those. Such a good work horse of the Empire. The comedy with the officers is quite fitting. I swear most imperials are well on their way to being Modern Major Generals.

A deckplan would be interesting. The interior did feel a bit bigger than it should have.

Loooooved this episode. That ocean city was cool, so many funny visual gags, that was not dead pan. Feels like the old kind of movie humor is back.

12 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

A deckplan would be interesting. The interior did feel a bit bigger than it should have.

Yeah, that was my impression The interior action didn't really match up with the exterior shots either.

The Gozanti's official stats (and size in relation to the TIEs it's shown to carry) show it to be not a great deal larger than a VCX.

So a three deck lift along with three long corridors to reach the bridge seems a bit on a the large side. Especially when you take into account hangar space, the engines, bridge, living quarters, the docking system, landing gear etc...

Edit: Also, that Gozanti was seriously upgunned. Two dorsal turbolaser turrets and one ventral it looked like?

5 hours ago, GuacCousteau said:

Really interesting episode for me. And kinda hard to talk about without spoilers, but I'll give it a shot.

So, first up I need to state that I think that was 35 of the best minutes of live action Star Wars I've ever seen. Admittedly, I'm a crotchety OT-er these days but still. I want to be very clear about that before people start their retorts to what I'm going to say later. This was a really entertaining episode.

Whether it's Jon and Dave's doing I'm not sure, but someone on this creative team really gets how to do Star Wars. This is the sort of stuff I dreamed about as a teenager, it really is like parts of the EU or the RPGs coming to life on screen. Some of the detail stuff is just perfect. The use of non-humans is so spot on. I wish so much that the people making the ST could have had this sort of sense for continuity. I'm not even talking about using familiar OT aliens either, I'm talking about using aliens in ways that make sense. This planet could have been another Mos Eisley cantina of random aliens, but it's not. It uses believable communities. It's not just one Quarren on a water planet thrown in as an easter egg, it's a community of Quarren that settled somewhere like their homeworld together. Just like the village in S1 was all humans who had chosen to settle somewhere out in the fringes, this is a community who presumably all came together. It makes sense. It looks good. It feels right. Plus, the Quarren were all universally dicks. I love it. I do wish a little bit that the Quarren could have been speaking their native tongue as it seems like it would physically be really difficult to push out Basic, and one thing the Star Wars movies always did well was have aliens speaking their own languages. But I guess it would be pushing it that Mando understands Quarren, and the writers have wisely left out super convenient translators. So whatever.

The second thing I loved is the spoiler territory. Anyone who has seen the episode knows exactly what I'm talking about, but those three characters were awesome . Seriously. I'm not the biggest fan of the Clone Wars series, but there are parts I really like. That character was one of them. To see her in live action, played by the awesome actress who voiced her..... It was just perfect. What a cool character.

Finally getting a bit of information on Mando's particular creed and filling in those gaps created by the portrayal of Mandalorians in other sources was spot on too. I think everyone probably had guessed what was up, but it's nice to finally get a bit of progression and confirmation.

Now, the reason I think this episode was 'interesting'.

As cool as all the stuff above was, I really feel like this episode sidelined Mando in his own series and I'm sort of worried where it's all going. I'm so torn on what I think about this episode. On the hand, the continuity and tie-ins to other SW media were awesome, but on the other I don't want this series to become a sequel to Clone Wars and Rebels. I want this to be its own thing. I want Mando to be a protagonist with agency and I feel like he's losing that. He's just going around being told what to do by other characters and I don't really feel like he has a personal stake in this any more. This is made even worse by how the episode ends. They send Mando off to a character we all knew was coming because it was an even worse kept secret than the cameo from the first episode, but rather than get me excited all that name drop did is make me feel weary. That's the third series this character is going to appear in and potentially dominate and I'm personally not stoked about it.

Baby Yoda has also become a thing the writers need to write around rather than driving any of the story himself. They seem to need to come up with more reasons to keep him out of scenes than put him in them at the moment.

I have no idea of knowing what the writers' original intention with him was, and whether the plan was always to have him be the only other permanent 'cast member', but if it wasn't then, it is now. He's a super popular cash cow and is probably more iconically associated with the show than the friggin' titular character.

But I really, really think he should have been a one season plot device. The first episode of this season should have been Mando handing him over and moving on to a new season arc. Something about his own past, or the Mandalorian purge or the Darksaber or something . Hot take, but Baby Yoda has been dead weight all three of these episodes and is now being used as a device to tie in more Clone Wars characters. I would much rather see more of the Mandalorian Covert and the Imperial Remnant. I'd much rather see some brand new underworld stuff. ****, if we need to tie stuff in then I'd rather see what's become of Qi'ra's Crimson Dawn.

A weird episode. The three blue characters completely stole the show for me. And that is somehow simultaneously a really good and bad thing.

Nah, I'm still gonna **** talk Lucas on this one.

What he did specifically hasn't added anything at all.

All the interesting stuff has come about through a decade of soft retcons and contributions from other writers. The cool side of the Mandalorians we have now is due to Death Watch, Filoni re-writing the Mandalorians in Rebels and the last season of Clone Wars (basically back to their Legends incarnations) and now from the Mandalorian.

And I would argue that what we have now is actually virtually identical to the state of the Mandalorians in Legends pre Karen Traviss (and don't get me wrong, I really don't like her take either). The Mandalorians of the OT era in canon are now armoured warriors who have been all but annihilated and scattered through the galaxy in various tribes of varying adherence to tradition and code. That is exactly what they were in 90s era Legends.

The only difference is that in Legends, Death Watch were chaotic evil hardcore Mandos who went even beyond the standard warrior tradition and were bad guys for the 'real' Mandos. In canon, Death Watch now seem like the traditionalist, 'real' Mandos and their culture has supplanted the pacifist mandos. Legends Death Watch were acceptable bad guys for real Mando Jango Fett to kill. Canon Death Watch are Legends Mandos.

The pacifist Mandalorians Lucas introduced have been essentially expunged at this point, and basically no reference is being made to them by any of the interesting Mandalorian factions we have now.

I want to point out that basically all the cool Mandos we have left are tied to Death Watch in some way. Bo Katan was a member. Clan Wren were part of House Viszla and so presumably part of Death Watch. Mando was saved by Mandalorians with the clan Viszla sigil. And the name of his cult, as we find out in this episode, strongly suggests a relationship with Death Watch. And there's still that whole Paz Vizla/voiced by Jon Favreau question.

The pacifist Mandos aren't responsible for any of this. This would all be the same if Mandos had been written the 'traditional' way from the start. You just wouldn't need to explain that by season 7 of Clone Wars, Death Watch had basically 'won' by getting Bo Katan at the head of the Mando people. Having basically the whole population of Mandalore armoured up and split between loyalist and Maul's faction by season 7 is basically a total retcon of all the previous seasons.

Worse, as an Imperial gozanti it would have been real easy for them to have a pair of TIE Fighters docked as escorts.

It's cool, though. It's the remnant. Lack of resources is a perfectly self explanatory justification. They also got pretty unlucky with the specific nature of their attackers. Kinda hard to predict that happening when your boss is the guy responsible for.... y'know.

shrug

I am still fascinated by the New Mandos. I loved Satine as a character. I really, really want a novel about the time she and Obi-wan spent together. Also, the split between Death Watch and the Mauldalorians was Lucas, so definately one the aspects I loving the changes. I understand why people are preferring the three more warrior like aspects of the Mandos, but to me, all of those wouldn't be as fascinating without the New Mandos. I do hope they explore that aspect more someday.

On 11/13/2020 at 3:34 PM, That Blasted Samophlange said:

So will the child be passed on to Ahsoka? I don't think so. I have a feeling that Ahsoka is going to say she can't. I'm curious to see how long after Endor the Rebels Finale was? Do we know? Perhaps Ahsoka is just now in the way to meet Sabine? Perhaps Sabine is with her? Perhaps Ezra too? Can't wait till we find out.. though will the razor crest make it there next week, or will it have to stop and make repairs in another side mission? My guess is the latter.

- I also do not think that the Child will be passed to Ahsoka. She will say something to Din Djarin..... in episode 5, since Dave Filoni is the director of Episode 5

- God I hope to see Sabine with Ahsoka, but I do not expect it.

- Ezra ? Michael Biehn has been cast officially, but still not there....... I hope, but also I do not expect it.

With the introduction of Cobb Venth, Temuera Morrison, and Katee Sackhoff, I really do not know what to expect for the end of the season. Some united battle with Gideon to try to take back the darksaber ? I am a little lost about that for now, but I am sure things will settle fast...

Gosh I can't wait for the next episode on friday....

2 hours ago, Silver_leader said:

- Michael Biehn has been cast officially, but still not there....... I hope, but also I do not expect it.

'Details about Biehn’s role are being kept under wraps. Making Star Wars, which first reported the news, said that Biehn will portray “a bounty bunter from The Mando’s past.”'

OMG, is he a known character? Is he freaking Dengar?!

1 hour ago, Odanan said:

'Details about Biehn’s role are being kept under wraps. Making Star Wars, which first reported the news, said that Biehn will portray “a bounty bunter from The Mando’s past.”'

OMG, is he a known character? Is he freaking Dengar?!

That would be nice. I really have no idea which way they will take this serie. Way of the Darksaber for sure for a part

I've got just one thing to say.....

Just finished watching the Chapter 12............ awesome !!! and I thought at first that it would simply be a filler !!!!!

And..... what is that ship at the end ?

8 minutes ago, Silver_leader said:

And..... what is that ship at the end ?

It's this an Arquitens Class cruiser:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Arquitens-class_command_cruiser

Previously seen in Clone Wars and Rebels. It's also in Armada and Battlefront.

13 minutes ago, Aderen said:

It's this an Arquitens Class cruiser:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Arquitens-class_command_cruiser

Previously seen in Clone Wars and Rebels. It's also in Armada and Battlefront.

It is very impressive how much they are using lore from other titles in Star Wars

1 hour ago, Aderen said:

It's this an Arquitens Class cruiser:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Arquitens-class_command_cruiser

Previously seen in Clone Wars and Rebels. It's also in Armada and Battlefront.

And Squadrons.

It's interesting to see how they're escalating the series over time.

Season one had a couple of bounty hunters, a couple of stormtroopers and scout bikes and a single TIE fighter.

Season two gets more of each, and bigger.

I expect a fully operational Death Star by season six at this rate 😂 😂 😂

11 hours ago, T70 Driver said:

I've got just one thing to say.....

HOLY CRAP!!!!! Dark Troopers????? And a LOT of them. Frack, they're digging deep into the lore for those.

This was a great episode. I can't really say much more than that.

Only thing that bugged me slightly was that this is the second episode in a row where they've had to just dump Baby Yoda on someone so he doesn't get in the way of the plot. I guess they made up for that with macaroon barrel roll vomit.