2 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

And we found seabook’s sidekick.

Clearly you have reading comprehension issues if that is the conclusion you have drawn, after reading what I have posted in this thread.

7 minutes ago, slasher956 said:

*eg I'm a casual fan of the marvel films... I have a passing knowledge of the comics so can follow the story but most of the stuff that hacks off the marvel fans means nothing to me....

This is exactly how I feel about the Marvel films. I don't know any of the source material, I've seen some (but not nearly all of the MCU films), so when I go see a Marvel movie I tend to just turn my brain off and enjoy the ride. I don't care how inconsistent something in the film may be (e.g. I've heard a lot of fans were upset that Infinity War retconned Gamora's backstory in some way? I didn't even notice, of course).


I suspect folks who liked TLJ probably approach Star Wars similarly to how I approach the MCU. Which is completely fine, of course, I'm glad some people found value and enjoyment in their experience of the film. But for me, Star Wars is different. I've spent the majority of my life deeply invested in the world, watching the films many times, playing CCGs, RPGs, and table-top games set in the world, learning about the little background details that make Star Wars so fun and compelling. So when a film like the TLJ comes along that is radically inconsistent with the world built in the other 7 films (and even inconsistent with the film that it's supposed to be a sequel for) I can't just sit back and enjoy the ride. Which I've taken to mean that while RJ may keep making Star Wars content and some folks may enjoy or even love it, personally given my stakes in the built-world I now know I just need to avoid it. Fortunately, the other new content (RO, TFA, Solo, Rebels) has done a much better job at respecting and staying consistent to the built world.

21 minutes ago, Seabook said:

Isn't it obvious? I don't have much time neither, but w/e. The Last Jedi was a horrible sequel for The Force Awakens. One movie have nothing to do with the other (althought the same can be said about episodes IV and V). But on TLJ, they changed every single aspect, so I will try to be short.
1) Ships running out of fuel in a stupid and pointless pursuit with nothing happening besides catapult shots being fired. Genious space battle script...
2) Characters lost all their personality from TFA and were forced remodeled in TLJ. Luke throwed away his lightsaber like it was a piece of ****. Kylo forgot about Darth Vader completely. Holdo x Poe fight was very stupid... my personal opinion, they killed Ackbar, Phasma (possibly) and Snoke leaving almost nothing for episode IX, and so on...
3) Luke drinking milk from an ET ****, what a nice thing to keep in the movie...
4) Porg$...
5) Kylo and Rey connection, shirtless, another weird scene to keep...
6) All the other blank plots on TLJ that everybody already talked and discussed about before. I don't even mind how Leia escaped alive or how they killed Luke or how Rey is so OP to defeat Luke, but everything else failed miserably for me.
7) What I liked: Poe defeating alone a big First Order ship (still a dumb move from the First Order with a comic dialogue between Poe and the FO officer) and that was the only thing I liked on the movie.

Alright, now we're actually getting somewhere. I'll give thoughts on a couple of those points later, but I want to stress that these are for the most part *legitimate* criticisms of the movie. This is in stark contrast to your earlier statements of KK's "SJW agenda" and "diversity has no place in Star Wars." I think that's what people are jumping on you for. You link crazy videos/articles as if that's a valid argument.

And I'll also address a few of your points, for fun.

1: I agree. I wish they'd done this more Galactica style, with the fleet jumping away, and then the FO catching up, with brief battles between jumps. Woulda been a lot more stressful and exciting!

3: I actually loved that. It's a simple way to show his character. He's a grumpy old hermit. "I give so little ****s about what you think of me, I will drink raw milk from this disgusting creature and look you straight in the eye while I do it." He's saying "I'm no legend and I want no part in your conflict."

4: Ewok$. I LOVED them as a kid. Kids today love porgs. You have got to remember this is historically a children's franchise, and the point is to sell toys.

5: I don't fully get the argument about Rey being an OP Mary Sue. Luke went from Podunk farmboy to literally blowing up the death star with a "one in a million shot" in like... 3 days. Was he OP?

6 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

But for me, Star Wars is different. I've spent the majority of my life deeply invested in the world

Just for the record, I couldn't be more invested in Star Wars, and feel the opposite about TLJ. (Totally okay with your opinion of course!)

I have the same "holy crap how are they gonna finish this!?" feeling I had after Empire Strikes Back as a kid. I love it.

20 minutes ago, duck_bird said:

5: I don't fully get the argument about Rey being an OP Mary Sue. Luke went from Podunk farmboy to literally blowing up the death star with a "one in a million shot" in like... 3 days. Was he OP?

I think it's a bit different. Luke, at least, had been flying a lot. A New Hope gives us a lot of hints about this: he tells Han he's "not such a bad pilot himself," we know he has a T-16 that he's flown threw Beggar's Canyon a bunch, Biggs vouches for him as the best bush pilot back home, and we've heard that he's bulls-eyed womp rats in his T16. While his innate connection to the Force is likely a huge benefit in performing these tasks, he's also been honing his flying skills his whole life, in settings very similar to those of the Trench Run ("Yup, full throttle! It'll be just like Beggar's Canyon back home!").

Compare this to someone like Rey. We don't get repeated context-building hints that she's good at flying or fixing ships. In fact, we are explicitly told she's never even been aboard the Falcon nor has she flown a ship before. And yet, she pulls off some Han-level piloting by flying through the SSD wreckage and setting up a perfect shot with a broken turret. Literally the first time she's touched the controls of a starship, and in a busted up 'garbage' ship that hasn't been turned on in years even. That's just how ridiculously good she is, y'all! THE BESTEST!

That's a huge difference in how the characters are presented. Heck, even Solo sets up that Han is a good pilot by dropping lots of references throughout the film about his experiences in the Imperial Academy.

This whole "I've never done it but I'm the best ever!" is a sort of Power Creep we see in Kylo, Rey, and even Poe as if it's some lazy attempt by Disney to make us like these characters because they're BIGGER BADDER BETTER than what we've seen before. Heck, despite that Luke has been in the presence of Yoda and Vader and Palpatine (bear in mind Anakin/Vader was the most powerfully force-connected person the council had found in 1,000 years, leading them to believe he was the chosen one) Luke notes in TLJ that the raw power exhibited by Rey/Kylo is the greatest he's ever felt. Again, because making these new characters THE MOST POWERFUL EVA! is, I suppose, a lazy way to get us to care about them? The "he11 of a pilot!" scene in TFA is the most egregious of these, I think. Not only do we have to watch Poe make every pilot of the fist six films look disgustingly incompetent while he kills 10 TIEs and 3 Stormtroopers in 11 seconds (literally), but we have to listen to another character scream "THAT'S ONE HE11 OF A PILOT!" in case we, the audience, were too stupid to realize this Poe guy is like, really good, dudes. BEST PILOT EVA! Let's like him!