Mansions of Madness is a collaborative game. As was said earlier in the thread even if the card says "You win if X happens" it doesn't feel that way. Instead it feels like I've lost, because my goal at the start was to complete the investigation and the investigation isn't completed no matter what the card might be telling me.
Instead we've all had a bad experience because now the game is over instead of being complete.
The same applies to the one where you can't speak - now that player is left out of the game and them having to act out what they want to say just makes it so they don't want to play any more. Not being able to speak to persons in-game or cast spells fits that far better and is a lot like the "broken leg" card - it's having in-game effects instead of out of game effects.
3 minutes ago, totgeboren said:This is a cooperative game, and the fun comes from trying to survive the horror together in a semi-rpg way. Winning on your own by making the other lose in a co-op generally feels like a loss for everyone for most people. If you can choose to ignore your insanity card, they become pointless since then most people will just ignore them.
Or, I know that a few of our games have ended in success, except for one person who was insane and needed say more evidence or something and thus failed.
That person, given the choice of making the investigation fail for everyone or fail only for them due to their insanity card, always elects to fail their own insanity.
This is exactly how we play. My card might say "You've lost because you didn't do X" but the app's telling me the game is completed and everyone else feels the game is completed. As far as I'm concerned, that's a win and not a loss regardless of what the card says.
3 hours ago, LabanShrewsbury said:
I have re-read their post and do not think this is their argument at all
It absolutely is and they're replying to a post to say specifically that. As I said before, use some abstract thought. Alright the card doesn't say the words specifically but the theme of what we're saying here is correct. I haven't got the card with me, but it still ends the game arbitrarily and that's the point that's being made here.