The core rulebook says what I found about all checks to mod being easy after you do the math. And it also says all.

I get what Matt's saying now: the crystal/attachment mod that @Rabobankrider said you could get is the free one. Then you use the modification check for the first time, which is normally hard, but difficulty goes down by 2 whenever you work on it. So you technically get a second one for an easy Mechanics check.

And just to be sure, I think modding difficulty starts increasing the more you mod it, as it's getting harder and harder to mess with said item without breaking it.

Then again, this is all assuming we're actually rolling to build our lightsaber hilts per the GM Kit, which is up to @Rabobankrider

6 minutes ago, Matt Skywalker said:

No. Because each mod is a hard check period. But all mod checks are easy when their on your crystal or Lightsaber hilt. Jackpot. Excuse me while I respond my xp.

I don't think it makes all checks easy? I think you are referring to the -2 difficulty on the check due to....I think the fact that you made the hilt yourself? The difficulty of each consecutive mod still increases as normal. And while -2 difficulty is great, it still means that when you get towards the maximum mods for your crystal, you are still rolling a harder difficulty.

1 minute ago, KungFuFerret said:

I don't think it makes all checks easy? I think you are referring to the -2 difficulty on the check due to....I think the fact that you made the hilt yourself? The difficulty of each consecutive mod still increases as normal. And while -2 difficulty is great, it still means that when you get towards the maximum mods for your crystal, you are still rolling a harder difficulty.

Yeah I think it starts easy because it is your lightsaber, but then it goes all the way up to Formidable when you run out of upgrades. Is the easy one after the free one you get then?

1 minute ago, Shlambate said:

Yeah I think it starts easy because it is your lightsaber, but then it goes all the way up to Formidable when you run out of upgrades. Is the easy one after the free one you get then?

Yep.

So for general modding rules for Force and Destiny, it's on the Core Rulebook, page 192. For the difficulty decrease, that's on Core Rulebook, page 196.

And now a question from me: since the Jedi Utility Belt from Keeping the Peace (page 52) has a Jedi multi-tool with it, does the Jedi multi-tool count as a standard tool kit, or does it count as Lightsaber Maintenance Kit as listed in the same book (page 53), since the maintenance kit refers to itself as a multi-tool?

5 minutes ago, Shlambate said:

Yeah I think it starts easy because it is your lightsaber, but then it goes all the way up to Formidable when you run out of upgrades. Is the easy one after the free one you get then?

Not quite. The first one would normally be Easy, but it's automatic instead. The second one is Average (Easy with difficulty increased once for being the second mod). For all other attachments, the first mod is Easy, the second Average, etc.

1 minute ago, Shlambate said:

Yeah I think it starts easy because it is your lightsaber, but then it goes all the way up to Formidable when you run out of upgrades. Is the easy one after the free one you get then?

I can't recall honestly. I remember this coming up in an episode of the O66 a while back, when the rules were first published, but I can't recall what the ruling was. I think GM Phil's ruling was that the first mod, while free, still counts towards the cumulative difficulty, meaning the 2nd mod, while being the first one you have to roll for, would still have the difficulty as if it were the 2nd mod you had rolled for.

Honestly, I'm not the best source of information on this stuff, my memory is crappy on the best of days, and I tend to gloss over really crunch heavy mechanics stuff in general. You might post it in the F&D general forum for clarification. I am 100% certain that you will get a plethora of responses about this.

1 minute ago, satkaz said:

Yep.

So for general modding rules for Force and Destiny, it's on the Core Rulebook, page 192. For the difficulty decrease, that's on Core Rulebook, page 196.

And now a question from me: since the Jedi Utility Belt from Keeping the Peace (page 52) has a Jedi multi-tool with it, does the Jedi multi-tool count as a standard tool kit, or does it count as Lightsaber Maintenance Kit as listed in the same book (page 53), since the maintenance kit refers to itself as a multi-tool?

@satkaz I can look that up later thanks.

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Not quite. The first one would normally be Easy, but it's automatic instead. The second one is Average (Easy with difficulty increased once for being the second mod). For all other attachments, the first mod is Easy, the second Average, etc.

Thank you @Tramp Graphics

Just now, KungFuFerret said:

I can't recall honestly. I remember this coming up in an episode of the O66 a while back, when the rules were first published, but I can't recall what the ruling was. I think GM Phil's ruling was that the first mod, while free, still counts towards the cumulative difficulty, meaning the 2nd mod, while being the first one you have to roll for, would still have the difficulty as if it were the 2nd mod you had rolled for.

Honestly, I'm not the best source of information on this stuff, my memory is crappy on the best of days, and I tend to gloss over really crunch heavy mechanics stuff in general. You might post it in the F&D general forum for clarification. I am 100% certain that you will get a plethora of responses about this.

Lol @KungFuFerret like i did just now so many responses

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Not quite. The first one would normally be Easy, but it's automatic instead. The second one is Average (Easy with difficulty increased once for being the second mod). For all other attachments, the first mod is Easy, the second Average, etc.

Oh, is that how it works? I seem to be wrong then in thinking that the easy check was still valid. So it's automatic replacing the Easy check, then it goes straight to Average.

The GM Kit's last sentence, "This still counts towards the total number of mods installed on the attachment." seems to suggest that, too, if we're taking the total number of mods installed as the basis for difficulty.

2 minutes ago, satkaz said:

Oh, is that how it works? I seem to be wrong then in thinking that the easy check was still valid. So it's automatic replacing the Easy check, then it goes straight to Average.

The GM Kit's last sentence, "This still counts towards the total number of mods installed on the attachment." seems to suggest that, too, if we're taking the total number of mods installed as the basis for difficulty.

Exactly.

15 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Exactly.

Okay.

Again, this is all assuming @Rabobankrider is having us perform the lightsaber check as stated by the GM Kit...or by Endless Vigil if we really want to get fancy.

Just now, satkaz said:

Okay.

Again, this is all assuming @Rabobankrider is having us perform the lightsaber check as stated by the GM Kit...or by Endless Vigil if we really want to get fancy.

Well, I'm using Endless Vigil to build his right now (well after I make character advancements, so that he actually has the skill to do it).

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Well, I'm using Endless Vigil to build his right now (well after I make character advancements, so that he actually has the skill to do it).

Im right with you besides the free upgrade Zoroku will not be upgrading much till he gets a Mechanics skill and more Int!

Hmm, I guess that's a question I should ask for @Rabobankrider then.

If we're crafting lightsabers: which one should we all use - the GM Kit rules or the Endless Vigil rules, so that we're all on the same page. Or are we allowed to choose?

Just now, Shlambate said:

Im right with you besides the free upgrade Zoroku will not be upgrading much till he gets a Mechanics skill and more Int!

My suggestion, add Artisan, or Armorer, unless you're current career or spec has Mechanics as a career skill already.

Zoroku is currently a Shien expert then he will go shadow and then Artisan or Armorer I'd have to decide.

Hmm, if we're gonna do Endless Vigil lightsaber crafting, let's see what I get.

Mechanics [Lightsaber Crafting] : 3eA+2eD 3 failures, 2 advantage

Well, pfft. Broke the first hilt badly. Wonder if I can get a boost for my next check, as I'm figuring out what went wrong on the first build.

Ok, as people are leaning towards it, I may as well have you all do a lightsaber build check when you complete your trial.

Before xp of course?

2 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

Ok, as people are leaning towards it, I may as well have you all do a lightsaber build check when you complete your trial.

Also will this be done in a scene?

Yeah, It'll be during the start end of the time skip

1 minute ago, Rabobankrider said:

Yeah, It'll be during the start end of the time skip

So right before it as we congregate on the ship.

Yeah

Zoroku's sheet is updated I guess the Lightsaber will be made after so he still gets the free crystal upgrade but he may get some fancy stuff on the Saber too.

Sounds good

@Rabobankrider you mentioned law check for the script Zoroku succeeded on a lore check since law isn't a check I figured lore was what you meant.