Currently, I still plan to play and paint IA, at least for the campaign mode but these models look pretty awesome and will be more satisfying to paint, imo.

6 hours ago, Extropia said:

Don't speak for all of us thanks. Spme of us are very happy with better models

Stop acting as if the problem did not exist. The majority of IA players are obviously frustrated. I am very frustrated and upset. At least respect this.

4 hours ago, shivore said:

Here's a rough photoshop to try to compensate for the larger base of the Legion figure. I actually expected the base to make a bigger difference, but after making this there is actually a larger difference in the figures themselves than I first thought.

Yep, noticeable difference. Not nearly noticeable enough to be an issue during actual play.

4 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

Yep, noticeable difference. Not nearly noticeable enough to be an issue during actual play.

This^ my experience with squad based mixing like this is unless the differences are huge with the group focus of a squad it will work (by now these guys aren't clones, variation in body types will happen). 1 on 1 with grey -> painted matchups isn't going to give you a valid comparison yet.

(No offense to the posters here, i get this was a case of take what you can get shots of pre release product and appreciate the efforts given to it)

2 hours ago, Guest Taxi Joe said:

Stop acting as if the problem did not exist. The majority of IA players are obviously frustrated. I am very frustrated and upset. At least respect this.

Stop acting as if the problem is universal. You have no idea if it's the majority.

Im sorry that you and some vocal others on the internet are unhappy (and I honestly am....I'd prefer everyone to be excited by this game!), but stop saying "IA players have been betrayed" or claiming the majority are unhappy. One is false, and the other is unproven. Most players don't even post online, especially if they aren't unhappy.

10 hours ago, TallTonyB said:

Not a great picture, but an actual IA model next to an actual Legion model.

Three words.

Primaris. Space. Marines.

7 minutes ago, Deathseed said:

Three words.

Primaris. Space. Marines.

Awesome. People might not like the fluff surrounding the Primaris Marines, but no one can deny they are much better miniatures. Looks like this will be the same.

At the end of the day, Legion and IA are separate games. Nowhere has FFG said that they are to be compatible or that they were designed to complement each other.

Legion is a totally new game. I can't understand why you'd expect to use existing miniatures from a completely separate game with a different genre and focus, and then complain when you can't?

Did X-wing players complain when they realised they couldn't use their existing ships in Armada?

4 minutes ago, kurttkrueger said:

Awesome. People might not like the fluff surrounding the Primaris Marines, but no one can deny they are much better miniatures. Looks like this will be the same.

At the end of the day, Legion and IA are separate games. Nowhere has FFG said that they are to be compatible or that they were designed to complement each other.

Legion is a totally new game. I can't understand why you'd expect to use existing miniatures from a completely separate game with a different genre and focus, and then complain when you can't?

Did X-wing players complain when they realized they couldn't use their existing ships in Armada?

Well yeah, some did, but the simple axiom that always applies to pretty much everything is that you can't please everyone.

And yeah, the primaris are just better models, period. They've actually made me want a SM army again just by weight of their coolness.

5 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

Yep, noticeable difference. Not nearly noticeable enough to be an issue during actual play.

Well, it is a little bit of an issue because of the way true line of sight and cover works based on the size of the model compared to cover. Not a big deal for casual games of course, but for tournaments it could be a problem.

5 hours ago, kurttkrueger said:

Awesome. People might not like the fluff surrounding the Primaris Marines, but no one can deny they are much better miniatures. Looks like this will be the same.

At the end of the day, Legion and IA are separate games. Nowhere has FFG said that they are to be compatible or that they were designed to complement each other.

Legion is a totally new game. I can't understand why you'd expect to use existing miniatures from a completely separate game with a different genre and focus, and then complain when you can't?

Did X-wing players complain when they realised they couldn't use their existing ships in Armada?

The argument quoting X-wong and Armada are stupids.
It's like comparing 10mm minis with 28mm... And worse than that.

Here, we have the same company, making a game which is character oriented, about squads facing each others, with a roughly similar scale which is close enough that many WILL use their IA minis.
Especially when they invested that much amount of mini in the game, and that much more in painting.

The way it is handled is just very poor communication.
No one is criticizing the game per se.

So stop pretending that the people raising legitimate complains and feeling legitimately that the company they liked so far is making a move to squeeze them of that much more money (while they would have been totally happy to spend the very same amount nontheless if not for this bad communication anyway) are isolated, and not important.

Because they are. And if you want to form a community about the game, you need an early player base. And here, what we have, is an early rift between the community. If you fail to understand how it is bad, then think again.

2 hours ago, TallTonyB said:

Well, it is a little bit of an issue because of the way true line of sight and cover works based on the size of the model compared to cover. Not a big deal for casual games of course, but for tournaments it could be a problem.

And again, that is solved with a simple gabarit marker like those Infinity uses. So if they want to solve the problem, it is very easily done.

2 minutes ago, Guest Shameful Display said:

The argument quoting X-wong and Armada are stupids.
It's like comparing 10mm minis with 28mm... And worse than that.

Here, we have the same company, making a game which is character oriented, about squads facing each others, with a roughly similar scale which is close enough that many WILL use their IA minis.
Especially when they invested that much amount of mini in the game, and that much more in painting.

The way it is handled is just very poor communication.
No one is criticizing the game per se.

So stop pretending that the people raising legitimate complains and feeling legitimately that the company they liked so far is making a move to squeeze them of that much more money (while they would have been totally happy to spend the very same amount nontheless if not for this bad communication anyway) are isolated, and not important.

Because they are. And if you want to form a community about the game, you need an early player base. And here, what we have, is an early rift between the community. If you fail to understand how it is bad, then think again.

But it's not a legitimate issue, is it?

IA is a board game/RPG/dungeon crawler, with a tacked on Skirmish element.

SW:L is a full on skirmish based wargame system. It's Star Warshammer 40K.

The sense of entitlement of some people that they expect their miniatures from a completely different game syste m and genre to be cross compatible simply beggars belief.

The scale as such...dosnt bother me.

What irks me is they appear to have made the bases with the intention of making sure people dont use their IA figures.

Just now, VAYASAN said:

The scale as such...dosnt bother me.

What irks me is they appear to have made the bases with the intention of making sure people dont use their IA figures.

A nice sharp hobby knife will fix that. It's really easy to slice the IA minis off their bases and stick them to a bigger base.

Any of the 25mm bases from Citadel/Games Workshop would do the trick.

2 minutes ago, kurttkrueger said:

A nice sharp hobby knife will fix that. It's really easy to slice the IA minis off their bases and stick them to a bigger base.

Any of the 25mm bases from Citadel/Games Workshop would do the trick.

Its the fact they did it that annoys me. How can we make sure they dont use their existing figures, I know, lets stick a huge base on the new ones to make them look out of scale.

2 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

Its the fact they did it that annoys me. How can we make sure they dont use their existing figures, I know, lets stick a huge base on the new ones to make them look out of scale.

It's not the base that makes them out of scale, the miniatures themselves are a different scale.

It's also a skirmish wargame, not a boardgame, so gaming miniatures of this nature often have chunkier bases to allow for more modelling opportunities, such as using basing sand, flock, textured paints etc.

24 minutes ago, VAYASAN said:

The scale as such...dosnt bother me.

What irks me is they appear to have made the bases with the intention of making sure people dont use their IA figures.

Thats not what they did at all. The entire scale is different, and the reason is obvious if you look at the models side by side. The new scale allows a lot more detail and looks much better when painted and based well. If another company had made this game no one would have expected for the figures to be cross compatible, because it's a totally different game. Just because it's FFG, for some reason people seem to think it's supposed to be the same game.

38 minutes ago, kurttkrueger said:

But it's not a legitimate issue, is it?

IA is a board game/RPG/dungeon crawler, with a tacked on Skirmish element.

SW:L is a full on skirmish based wargame system. It's Star Warshammer 40K.

The sense of entitlement of some people that they expect their miniatures from a completely different game syste m and genre to be cross compatible simply beggars belief.

The sense of entitlement of people who bought a "similar" game, based on "similar" miniature, from the very same company, and sold with the very "similar" concept from the beginning, and you still fail to see this as something else than "entitilment from a bunch of kids?"

Well, people invest time they hardly have and moneuy they work hard to make in these game. If you fail to see why that my be very bothersome to lots, I wonder who's the one entitled here.

Beside, as said elsewhere, if they had been clear on the compatibility issues from the very start there would be no issue.
But there is nothing said as such, and as demonstrated elsewhere, other companies are clear on these and are very open about their communities on stuff like this. That you are gullible enough to pay that amount of time and money into whaterver the very same company may release because they brand it a different game, well, that's your problem.

That the very same company makes these kind of moves and send, or not send, which is still telling something, these kind of messages, is an issue. And an issue both for the community and for the very same company.

1 minute ago, Guest Shameful Display said:

The sense of entitlement of people who bought a "similar" game, based on "similar" miniature, from the very same company, and sold with the very "similar" concept from the beginning, and you still fail to see this as something else than "entitilment from a bunch of kids ?"

Your words, not mine.

2 minutes ago, TallTonyB said:

Thats not what they did at all. The entire scale is different, and the reason is obvious if you look at the models side by side. The new scale allows a lot more detail and looks much better when painted and based well. If another company had made this game no one would have expected for the figures to be cross compatible, because it's a totally different game. Just because it's FFG, for some reason people seem to think it's supposed to be the same game.

Maybe because IA was sold as a skirmish game, as much as a game with a nice campaign?

Just now, kurttkrueger said:

Your words, not mine.

Right, keep pretend you are not condescendent when you insult a big chunk of the community and give them the "entitlement" guilt trip trial...

If by "similar" game you mean a different game with a completely different movement system and play order, and by "similar" concept you mean an order of magnitude larger concept. "Similar" minis yes, but that's just because it's the same license.

And I say this as an IA player who has at least one of everything except for a couple of the latest wave.

1 minute ago, Guest Captain Obvious said:

Maybe because IA was sold as a skirmish game, as much as a game with a nice campaign?

And those familiar with skirmish games, peered in at the IA release and said 'this isn't the Star Wars skirmish game I've been looking for, Ill save my moneys for the real deal' and it's starting to look like it's just arrived.

20 hours ago, kurttkrueger said:

To give some idea on what the scale difference will look like between IA and Legion miniatures, I thought I'd throw up a couple of comparison shots of some IA minis next to known 32mm scale miniatures. In this instance, miniatures from the various Knight Models range.

Attached is Vader with Cyclops and Batman. You can clearly see, that even with the resin base toppers, the 32mm are much much bigger than poor old Vader, who should tower over both of these. I thought this might prove useful to get a gauge on how the minis will compare once we have them in our hands.

That Cyclops conversion is boss! Looks so much better than the original sculpt. I've got a few of the old Knight Models Star Wars minis I may be able to sneak into Legion at some point

13 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

This is very frustrating.

Why? You bought a game, you enjoyed it. There is no reason to be frustrated. I get being disappointed that you "have" to buy a new game but lets be real, FFG is a company, they need to make money. This isn't IA 2nd ED, this is not the equivalent of FFG relaunching X-Wing and invalidating purchases the way other gaming companies have done in the past. This is a different product entirely. Someone will make homebrew rules for all the IA stuff and then play that to your hearts content at home, with beer (the best part of home gaming).

I am glad that these are not IA scale. I enjoyed IA but the models were meh buy miniature standards. There were good enough but no where near what others have done. Go look up Knight Models Star Wars and do a google search, it will make you sad that they lose the license. IA is a board game, its meant to grab a wide range of gamers. The skirmish head to head mode was in a lot of ways a beta for legion as well as a way to make it more than just a "get 6 people together and play" game. It was pretty obvious this was going to eventually happen. Legion is appealing to Star Wars fans and Miniature gamers. There target audience will be the 40k and Warmachine/Hordes players as those are the biggest games that have similar mechanics. As someone who enjoys those games I am not entirely happy with how "simple" these models will be to assemble but FFG has never emphasized the hobby aspect of games because this is a new market for them.