No IA compatibility = no purchase

By TylerTT, in Star Wars: Legion

3 hours ago, Pyremius said:

Had they kept the same scale they would only need a fraction of the molds - saving money on both storage and production costs for the molds, and time as the factory swaps molds.

Disagree. In the core set for Legion there are 7 different stormtrooper sculpts and 7 different rebel trooper sculpts. In order to have this variety of sculpts, new molds would need to be made anyway.

I could buy legion, all mini, and paint them. I mean all. Having 2 Lukes, 2 Han, 2 Dark Vador, I don't care. I just don't want to have 2 sets with very similar sizes but different enough to be not compatible. I would be ok if they were 15mm for exemple : totally different scales, makes sense. What drives me crazy is that they are very close, but not compatible. So, no purchase for me. And it makes me sad because once again, I'll be more than happy to buy.

7 minutes ago, Guest Lucas said:

What drives me crazy is that they are very close, but not compatible. So, no purchase for me. And it makes me sad because once again, I'll be more than happy to buy.

If they're as close as you say they are, then there's no reason you can't use IA models in Legion, for anything other than Regionals. If on the other hand they're not close enough to be compatible...

They are close but not enough to be compatible. One next to the other, the outcome is ridiculous. This has been said 100 times.

But you are a FFG fan, so whatever I say, FFG is right so ...

Whether anyone is a "FFG fan" or not is immaterial to the fact that expecting components of unrelated games to be interchangeable is strongly entitled.

5 minutes ago, Manchu said:

Whether anyone is a "FFG fan" or not is immaterial to the fact that expecting components of unrelated games to be interchangeable is strongly entitled.

Saying that they are unrelated is laughable.

This same discussion was in the Rune Wars forums about using Descent models. The two are the same setting, the same scale, have some of the same characters, but very different games and are not compatible. IA is just Descent with Star Wars figures and Legion is a brand new game. I doubt you'll be getting any conversion cards. Now if IA 2.0 comes out I can guarantee you'll get a conversion pack for your IA 1.0 models to that.

Edited by Wired4War
1 minute ago, Guest Lucas said:

Saying that they are unrelated is laughable.

Why? How are they related?

Is it because of the IP? Does that mean Destiny dice should be compatible with X-Wing?

Is it because of scale? Does that mean RuneWars figures should be compatible with Imperial Assault?

12 minutes ago, Guest Lucas said:

Saying that they are unrelated is laughable.

But they are unrelated. Different scale of battle, different rules, different play style, one is a board game and one isn't...the only relation is that they are Star Wars ground combat.

But I think you've made clear that you're refusing to get it anyway, so I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point.

Just now, Guest Lucas said:

If you can't see how they are related ...

I cannot see why anyone would feel entitled to compatibility of components between separate games. You say they should be compatible because they are related. I'm just asking you to explain. I provided examples because I am wondering if you think it's the IP or the scale of the miniatures and showing how it would not be reasonable to assume compatibility on those grounds.

BTW, I don't work for FFG.

8 minutes ago, Manchu said:

I cannot see why anyone would feel entitled to compatibility of components between separate games.

Why are GW mini compatible between Space Hulk and WH40K ? Why did GW came to the exact opposite conclusion ? Are they misinformed ? Do they lack experience or expertise ? These are separate games ?

And yes, I think you work for FFG.

As I explained in the other thread, FFG and Games Workshop have different business models. GW is primarily a miniatures seller and it has openly declared on many occasions that it sells rules to sell miniatures. By contrast FFG sells games and some of those games happen to use miniatures as components. GW sells you Silver Tower hoping that you will buy additional Age of Sigmar minis and, ultimately, get into Age of Sigmar and buy armies' worth of miniatures. FFG does not sell you X-Wing hoping it will serve as a gateway to you buying Imperial Assault.

If you think about the how heavily FFG games lean on token/card components, you will understand why IA also would not be a good gateway into Legion.

I think that saying that they should be compatible is entitled

2 minutes ago, Manchu said:

As I explained in the other thread, FFG and Games Workshop have different business models. GW is primarily a miniatures seller and it has openly declared on many occasions that it sells rules to sell miniatures. By contrast FFG sells games and some of those games happen to use miniatures as components. GW sells you Silver Tower hoping that you will buy additional Age of Sigmar minis and, ultimately, get into Age of Sigmar and buy armies' worth of miniatures. FFG does not sell you X-Wing hoping it will serve as a gateway to you buying Imperial Assault.

If you think about the how heavily FFG games lean on token/card components, you will understand why IA also would not be a good gateway into Legion.

Come on, you can't be serious ... You love FFG. I get that. I love them too : their games are the best of the best. But they made a mistake that make huge fans like me (but obviously not you) really sad. A 10% difference is ridiculous. You don't get annoyed : good for you ! I mean it. But please accept that some people are sincerely disappointed and you could show some empathy (and holly **** I'll still buy the game and play with my IA mini. My tons of wonderfully painted (not by me) minis. Because I cannot resist a box where SW and FFG are printed).

I actually don't love FFG and I especially don't love Asmodee NA.

It would be a neat bonus if your IA figs (or mine, when I still had them) could be used, officially, in Legion. But that's not the case - and, importantly, it doesn't make your IA figures any less valuable. It also doesn't make Legion any less exciting, really, if you can get past the assumption - which is pretty baseless if we're honest - that IA and Legion should have compatible components.

3 minutes ago, Manchu said:

if you can get past the assumption - which is pretty baseless if we're honest - that IA and Legion should have compatible components.

If you think it is baseless, well why do you think people complain ? Because they are not as smart as you ? Why should they NOT be compatible ? Why a 10% difference ? You say that 2 product lines cannot have ever compatible minis ? That would be unacceptable for you ? Keeping you from sleeping ?

PS : I still think you work for FFG. Your arguments are too biased and as I posted faster and faster, your "friend" just keeping posting"+1" or "you are so right Manchu" strangely vanished, so I guess this is the same guy, hiding with 2 different nicknames. Have a nice day.

8 minutes ago, Manchu said:

I actually don't love FFG and I especially don't love Asmodee NA.

Yeah sure you don't. :-)))

3 minutes ago, Guest Lucas said:

If you think it is baseless, well why do you think people complain ? Because they are not as smart as you ? Why should they NOT be compatible ? Why a 10% difference ? You say that 2 product lines cannot have ever compatible minis ? That would be unacceptable for you ? Keeping you from sleeping ?

PS : I still think you work for FFG. Your arguments are too biased and as I posted faster and faster, your "friend" just keeping posting"+1" or "you are so right Manchu" strangely vanished, so I guess this is the same guy, hiding with 2 different nicknames. Have a nice day.

Who, me? No....as I said in the other thread there's simply no point in engaging with you.

Just now, Extropia said:

Who, me? No....as I said in the other thread there's simply no point in engaging with you.

Yeah. I'm with you. Lucas is not going to listen to anything anyone has to say. He is too entitled to think clearly.

Honestly, if this is the way he acts when everything does not go exactly his way, I hope he stays far away from legion. I wouldn't want to play with someone who acts like that....

IA has bad minis these are much better. even if he dose work for FFG who cares

5 minutes ago, Extropia said:

Who, me? No....as I said in the other thread there's simply no point in engaging with you.

He is back ! The other one vanished. Switching accounts takes time ... :-)))

You forgot to quote yourself and add "+1".

Bye moderator ! You must be so proud of yourself !

To be honest, I think it is unreasonable to expect that components from unrelated product lines should be compatible. Why are people posting unreasonable things on the internet? One of life's great mysteries.

I don't think there is a good argument for them being compatible, either. If they were, FFG would need to publish conversion packs to sell people who own IA miniatures the cards and tokens to use them in Legion. That is, they would have to develop and create a product for a closed-end market. I guess you could argue it's not closed-end because it would encourage people to buy IA products. But I don't think that is true because there are people who don't like/aren't interested in IA and they will resent Legion leading back to IA.

Just now, Guest Lucas said:

He is back ! The other one vanished. Switching accounts takes time ... :-)))

You forgot to quote yourself and add "+1".

Bye moderator ! You must be so proud of yourself !

Lucas, +1.

You are a very odd and paranoid person. You seem to have much bigger issues than a game my friend...I won't be responding to you further on this subject, try to relax though :)

2 minutes ago, Extropia said:

You are a very odd and paranoid person. You seem to have much bigger issues than a game my friend...I won't be responding to you further on this subject, try to relax though :)

You lost the argument. You are just trying to ridicule those who disagree with you. You are not even trying to answer him. And this is on purpose. This is called trolling.