Every time I go to build a Poe list I am reminded how disappointing it is that the next Resistance ship is a Coordinate Shuttle instead of a new Starfighter.

I dont know what wingmates Poe wants but itd be neat to have a small base choice besides T70s and RZ2As. Would help in Extended probably.

Arent many options I guess?

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

I think the addition of Soontir (and Anakin) was crushing to Poe. He's not special with double repositioning at i6 anymore, and it looks like he was paying quite the tax for it.

In some weird ways he kinda reminds of when I play Defenders. He's pricey and effective, but he's only one ship and he can't defend and attack at the same time.

Soontir is cheaper and hits almost as hard. Vader is cheaper, hits as hard, and is as tough or tougher, and has better time on target. Throw them in a list together and you have way more reason to bid, whereas it's harder for Poe to justify the big bid.

46 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

I feel like Poe could work really well in another faction hes just kinda awkward to play with only RZ2As next to him.

I've found he usually ends up running like mad, unable to safely shoot, since he's often the obvious target in most lists in which he's included (Danger Zone being a rare exception). If he's not running like mad, I've probably already won the game.

37 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:

Resistance has been way too much overrated since the release, the only good ships and pilots it has got are the A-wings. People were overplaying it because it was new, rebel beef was still under the radar (despite being very good even before leia and Bs discounts), hyperspace meta was sad and PhilGC factor.

I've embolden the portion with which I agree, at least in the US.

28 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Every time I go to build a Poe list I am reminded how disappointing it is that the next Resistance ship is a Coordinate Shuttle instead of a new Starfighter

I think I would probably prefer another starfighter, too, but do think the transport will add a shenanigans factor to the faction which it currently now lacks (aside from Vennie?)

28 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Poe Dameron — T-70 X-Wing	68
Lone Wolf	5
R4 Astromech	2
Integrated S-Foils	0
Black One	2
Ship Total: 77
Half Points: 39 Threshold: 4
Ello Asty — T-70 X-Wing	56
Heroic	1
BB-8	7
Integrated S-Foils	0
Ship Total: 64
Half Points: 32 Threshold: 4
Temmin Wexley — T-70 X-Wing	54
Heroic	1
BB Astromech	4
Integrated S-Foils	0
Ship Total: 59
Half Points: 30 Threshold: 4

In my ideal world, triple "good guy" starfighters would always be a viable archetype.

27 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

He's pricey and effective, but he's only one ship and he can't defend and attack at the same time.

So much this. I spend focuses on offense, while in opposing arcs, when I make dumb, greedy decisions. Well, Poe being in arcs in the first place was probably the first step in greedy decisions in any given round.

3 hours ago, Brunas said:

3 hours ago, gennataos said:

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

I agree

3 hours ago, millertime059 said:

I strongly disagree. Because as an Empire primary player I hated that the only viable things were TIE swarms (not interested) or Vader.

I mean they had a crew carrier with o crew worth a toss, while Rebels and scum got almost all their crew. Yeah, hyperspace was crap before, and there wasn’t enough variety with only 4 ships. 6 ships is, if not the perfect number, much closer to the ideal number for a limited rotation based format.

disagree. If Empire doesn't have stuff you like you aren't an Empire player.

Bah mobile posting fail.

Anyhow I like what the Empire does, and I know you were going for laughs. But let me be serious. I’m a constant list builder. I don’t fly a list more than a few times. Individual pilots? Yes, ships? Certainly. But constant shifting lists is my thing. And I don’t like net listing. So with that said the Hyperspace offerings ran real thin in short order.

The TIE/ln is a known quantity. And it’s prime form, the swarm, is more or less solved. Some room at the margins, sure, but broadly there is little room for improv or personalization beyond a few EPT choices. That simply doesn’t do it for me. Now a few in a mini swarm alongside other ships? All the time. But as a solo piece? Uninteresting personally.

That left the x1, which was basically just Vader, the Striker, and the Reaper. Lord knows I tried other x1 pilots, even enjoyed them, but at a competitive level Ved Folso, as much as I love him, doesn’t get there.

Which means there is the Vader mini swarm, again a known list, or Reapers and Strikers. Which I flew all the time. I enjoy it immensely. But there is only so many flavors of Duchess, Sabaac, Countdown, and Reaper to fly.

Plus the Empire took it in the shorts as far as unique options went. Their faction talent is garbage, arguably worst in the game, and their crew options non existent. Yeah, I was salty about how scum and rebels got almost every single unique crew option, while we got Krennic and ISB slicers. It was crap, it was always crap, and will remain so.

So as an Empire player my problem was not that the format was limited, but entirely with the paucity of options available, especially when compared to the other factions.

Also remember what the meta was. Rebel protorp Alpha, which means bringing I4 Strikers and such? Not competitive. Wedge and Luke made them marginal plays at best in competitive. Which means if you wanted to compete there were basically two lists, TIE swarm and Vader Mini swarm.

And as the list tweaking junkie I am, this was not good enough for me.

But the points changes and the expansion were unmitigated goods for me. And the fact that the things that meant that over half of the Empires offerings were nearly unplayable got nerfed only helped.

3 hours ago, millertime059 said:

Bah mobile posting fail.

Anyhow I like what the Empire does, and I know you were going for laughs. But let me be serious. I’m a constant list builder. I don’t fly a list more than a few times. Individual pilots? Yes, ships? Certainly. But constant shifting lists is my thing. And I don’t like net listing. So with that said the Hyperspace offerings ran real thin in short order.

The TIE/ln is a known quantity. And it’s prime form, the swarm, is more or less solved. Some room at the margins, sure, but broadly there is little room for improv or personalization beyond a few EPT choices. That simply doesn’t do it for me. Now a few in a mini swarm alongside other ships? All the time. But as a solo piece? Uninteresting personally.

That left the x1, which was basically just Vader, the Striker, and the Reaper. Lord knows I tried other x1 pilots, even enjoyed them, but at a competitive level Ved Folso, as much as I love him, doesn’t get there.

Which means there is the Vader mini swarm, again a known list, or Reapers and Strikers. Which I flew all the time. I enjoy it immensely. But there is only so many flavors of Duchess, Sabaac, Countdown, and Reaper to fly.

Plus the Empire took it in the shorts as far as unique options went. Their faction talent is garbage, arguably worst in the game, and their crew options non existent. Yeah, I was salty about how scum and rebels got almost every single unique crew option, while we got Krennic and ISB slicers. It was crap, it was always crap, and will remain so.

So as an Empire player my problem was not that the format was limited, but entirely with the paucity of options available, especially when compared to the other factions.

Also remember what the meta was. Rebel protorp Alpha, which means bringing I4 Strikers and such? Not competitive. Wedge and Luke made them marginal plays at best in competitive. Which means if you wanted to compete there were basically two lists, TIE swarm and Vader Mini swarm.

And as the list tweaking junkie I am, this was not good enough for me.

But the points changes and the expansion were unmitigated goods for me. And the fact that the things that meant that over half of the Empires offerings were nearly unplayable got nerfed only helped.

Oh, actually I was being pretty serious - in my opinion, there's enough factions that if empire in hyperspace doesn't have stuff you enjoy 200 points of... you probably aren't an empire player! Sounds more dismissive than I mean it to be - there's so many faction options now that if what you like are reapers are strikers, it's probably time to try out other factions and see if you don't like more of their pieces more.

40 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Oh, actually I was being pretty serious - in my opinion, there's enough factions that if empire in hyperspace doesn't have stuff you enjoy 200 points of... you probably aren't an empire player! Sounds more dismissive than I mean it to be - there's so many faction options now that if what you like are reapers are strikers, it's probably time to try out other factions and see if you don't like more of their pieces more.

Well there is a reason I jumped in hard on the Republic!

I play other factions, and since wave 3 it’s probably 40% Empire, 40% Republic, 20% Scum. But as I didn’t have most of the Hyperspace legal scum ships (only one Fang and one Firespray, though now I’ve added a MGT plus the expanded roster) there wasn’t much I could do there.

Honestly I find the current Hyperspace pretty interesting overall. And the N1 has me practically salivating. But before the expansion with the prequel factions my interest in Hyperspace was zero. Now it is real. I wasn’t actively boycotting the format, but I wasn’t voluntarily playing it either.

In all reality without the additions to hyperspace/ nerfing torp alpha I would have fully gone Republic in Hyperspace. The I4 Jedi are my jam.

I4 personal meta life

I would like to make a point adjustment betting pool (Kraytcoin? Alt art cards? IDK) for the price of the Black Squadron Scout. (Init 3 TIE Striker)

The Black Squadron scout is ******* awful, but it costs 38 points. How many points will it cost come the June points adjustment?

4 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

How many points will it cost come the June points adjustment?

Black Squadron Scout - 36 pts

Rebel Fenn Rau - 42 pts

Just now, Boom Owl said:

Black Squadron Scout - 36 pts

Rebel Fenn Rau - 42 pts

MONKEY'S PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW

Also i'm not even sure they are good at that point. That still doesn't let 5+Academy fit.

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Black Squadron Scout - 36 pts

Rebel Fenn Rau - 42 pts

Rebel fenn rau should not be lower than 50pts. I6 coordinate is nuts, on top of fenns ability. 42pts is auto include in pretty much every rebel list

9 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Only slightly related, wouldn't it be cool if L'ulo were in an RZ-1 (which is what he canonically flies) instead of an RZ-2?

I'm starting to think that FFG made a mistake turning the second edition format into the Hyperspace one. It immediately marked it as the 'casual format'. They should have kept second edition as a format for intro events, and marketed extenteded as the casual 'fly what you want man' format. Then pushed hard into Hyperspace being the prime competitive format, with heavy rotation to appease the 'I want to play with all my toys' people.

Just being perceived as the balanced competive format would have done a lot to give it a place, and prevent it from being moulded into the halfbreed format it is.

It would have been nice to have a proper limited format that isn't 'extended-lite-for-casuals-but-not-really'.

Hi Europe, fill in your lists

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/725

7 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Hi Europe, fill in your lists

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/725

They won't. They never do for anything larger than HST, where only individual organizers do it...

8 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

They won't. They never do for anything larger than HST, where only individual organizers do it...

Genuinely sad

5 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Genuinely sad

We get useful info like this instead...

Top 32:
Chris E - Dreadlok
Brian C - Dreadlok
Craig R - Rebel Beef with Biggs
Lewis W - Imperial aces, ships were modded so I couldn't tell but possibly soontir/whisper/vader
Jesper W - 2 jedi and a torrent
Andrew P - 6 vultures and belbullab
Guy W - Kylo/Quickdraw
Ashley D- quad sigmas
Sam L - Han/Norra (Arc)/Jake
Matthew V - Echo/Whisper/Vader
Joel F - Deci/Whisper
Darren M - Hatchetman
Andy C - 6 vultures and belbullab
Kev B - quad phantoms
Dan B - Han/Luke
Faan L - Quad K-Wings

Thanks @svelok

5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Thanks @svelok

I just copied from here

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

They won't. They never do for anything larger than HST, where only individual organizers do it...

my theory is they're scared we'll do maths to prove that the #tinyeuropeanmeta isn't really that different than america's.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/op/x-wing/hyperspace-trials/

"wave two" dates are up

40 minutes ago, jagsba said:

my theory is they're scared we'll do maths to prove that the #tinyeuropeanmeta isn't really that different than america's.

My theory is that it's not up to the players though.

FFG OP has a tighter grip on large tournaments than in the US where Cascade gaming and BCP are in charge of oragnisation and lists (right?). There is noone in europe who has access to the lists besides FFG OP. I've tried in the past to get my hands on them, and so does firstearth's Simon. But all they give us are the top cuts. And in a way - who can really blame them? It takes Brunas & Co quite some time to get the lists from BCP to listfortress. That's not cheap unless it's free.

I also don't know what the EU laws are wrt privacy. Can FFG collect the names and hand them over? As soon as there is even one step of work involved, they won't be incentivized to do it for the whole field.

edit:

6 minutes ago, svelok said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/op/x-wing/hyperspace-trials/

"wave two" dates are up

Whoa, 54 trials! (and @jagsba - I wonder how many full sets of lists I'll get ;))

13 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

It takes Brunas & Co quite some time to get the lists from BCP to listfortress. That's not cheap unless it's free.

I also don't know what the EU laws are wrt privacy. Can FFG collect the names and hand them over? As soon as there is even one step of work involved, they won't be incentivized to do it for the whole field.

We've offered to do it for free for them, and last I heard for the national they all signed a GDPR release so maybe it's still coming, and just a bit slow?

15 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

My theory is that it's not up to the players though.

FFG OP has a tighter grip on large tournaments than in the US where Cascade gaming and BCP are in charge of oragnisation and lists (right?). There is noone in europe who has access to the lists besides FFG OP. I've tried in the past to get my hands on them, and so does firstearth's Simon. But all they give us are the top cuts. And in a way - who can really blame them? It takes Brunas & Co quite some time to get the lists from BCP to listfortress. That's not cheap unless it's free.

I also don't know what the EU laws are wrt privacy. Can FFG collect the names and hand them over? As soon as there is even one step of work involved, they won't be incentivized to do it for the whole field.

edit:

Whoa, 54 trials! (and @jagsba - I wonder how many full sets of lists I'll get ;))

# of Regionals in state:

CA -8

TX - 7

FL - 5

MN - 6

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 🤔

8 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

# of Regionals in state:

CA -8

TX - 7

FL - 5

MN - 6

probably very similar to the number of stores in those states who:

• put in an application
• can sit 60 players
• have a good credit situation with FFG's distributor

23 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

# of Regionals in state:

CA -8

TX - 7

FL - 5

MN - 6

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 🤔

#TinyEastCoastMeta

1 hour ago, svelok said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/op/x-wing/hyperspace-trials/

"wave two" dates are up

Anyone have the slightest clue if they're the same kits?