All this "T65 are bad"...
Does nobody care that XXUB rebel beef was the best version? Or that versions with generic T65s did quite well?
edit: sorry, I misremembered. It was actually XXXU that had a conversion rate of 56% half into wave 3. I'll check again next week for the whole wave, but the point is clear: T65s are obviously not bad.
Edited by GreenDragoon3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:I'll check again next week for the whole wave, but the point is clear: T65s are obviously not bad.
I mean if it's Biggs then sure.
1 minute ago, MrHedgehogMan said:I mean if it's Biggs then sure.
I find it funny how Biggs fits with Cassian/Braylen/Ten perfectly.
4 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:All this "T65 are bad"...
Does nobody care that XXUB rebel beef was the best version? Or that versions with generic T65s did quite well?
edit: sorry, I misremembered. It was actually XXXU that had a conversion rate of 56% half into wave 3. I'll check again next week for the whole wave, but the point is clear: T65s are obviously not bad.
We were talking about generics, not about wedge or biggs
We already knew that rebel beef was broken: people were doing well with Dutch or an awing as a fourth ship after all. You could throw in anything and it would have been still better than almost everything else.
Non biggs non wedge t65 are still bad thought
51 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:We were talking about generics, not about wedge or biggs
We already knew that rebel beef was broken: people were doing well with Dutch or an awing as a fourth ship after all. You could throw in anything and it would have been still better than almost everything else.
Non biggs non wedge t65 are still bad thought
Pretty much all of them are fine. Certainly for Hyperspace. Even Porkins.
Edited by Boom Owl5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:Pretty much all of them are fine. Certainly for Hyperspace. Even Porkins.
If by fine you mean "I enjoy playing underused ships and generally bringing the more hipster list to the event while maybe winning a couple of game and have a laugh", yeah they are fine, Porkins in particular
If you mean "I want to play on equal foot against all non cactus players of the event and maybe even try to win it" they are bad, Porkins in particular
But again, I was talking about generics t65 in a competitive environment, not how funny could be bringing Porkins to the kitchen table in a thematic list
5 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:If by fine you mean "I enjoy playing underused ships and generally bringing the more hipster list to the event while maybe winning a couple of game and have a laugh", yeah they are fine, Porkins in particular
If you mean "I want to play on equal foot against all non cactus players of the event and maybe even try to win it" they are bad, Porkins in particular
But again, I was talking about generics t65 in a competitive environment, not how funny could be bringing Porkins to the kitchen table in a thematic list
Happy 4th of July
9 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:Happy 4th of July
And to you sir.
Question for someone who has been absent from the game for a spell working at camps: where is the points lists of ships/pilots and their subsequent changes? Hasn't anyone produced one?
Yeah, I know.... I'll get my tea!
generic T65s are bad in the same sense that pretty much generic everything is bad
16 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:Happy 4th of July
thanks @Boom Owl
11 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:And to you sir.
Question for someone who has been absent from the game for a spell working at camps: where is the points lists of ships/pilots and their subsequent changes? Hasn't anyone produced one?
Yeah, I know.... I'll get my tea!
9 hours ago, jagsba said:Yeah. But if all generics are bad then how do we tell if a chassis is bad?
If any given generic is good then it's incredibly likely that the chassis is too good. Since the names will have words and FFG undervalues I5/6 and words (which incidentally I'm fine with, words are fun*). We can tell the chassis is bad if not even cool words make it playable, Dengar has very cool words but the J5k is still probably unplayable. Generic T-65s are bad because all generics are bad, but Wedge with I6 and words isn't so the chassis is OK
*To a point...
5 hours ago, Quack Shot said:I find it funny how Biggs fits with Cassian/Braylen/Ten perfectly.
Shhhh!
@Makaze, I think 4 named t65s in skilled hands should be able to do quite well in the current balance of the game, especially in hyperspace.
A generic t65 is simply a workhorse in Rebels, but probably better naked (until regen becomes BB status 1 point at I1/I2.). Not really doing anything great or terrible. Simply a well-rounded chassis that stays relevant if ignored on the table.
Unlike Y-Wings, which are really only a factor when tricked-out, but consequently end up in the T65/B-Wing price point range anyway.
EDIT:
the sfoils closed providing Boost+Linked Focus lends itself exceptionally to R2 regen on this platform as well.
Edited by Bucknife5 hours ago, MrHedgehogMan said:I mean if it's Biggs then sure.
4 hours ago, Sunitsa said:We were talking about generics, not about wedge or biggs
XXXU. Sure, Biggs and Wedge are special. What's the explanation/excuse for the third?
Also, XXXX had a 31% conversion rate. If that's bad then everything is bad and that makes nothing bad.
10 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:
XXXU. Sure, Biggs and Wedge are special. What's the explanation/excuse for the third?
Also, XXXX had a 31% conversion rate. If that's bad then everything is bad and that makes nothing bad.
Someone who considers 1.0's guaranteed dice results as a good thing perceiving the X-Wing as bad is not surprising. For those of us who see the shift to more rng in 2.0 as a good thing the X-Wing is a decent ship.
I'm with @Sunitsa on this one. Generic t65s ARE bad. The bwing is the same price and better. 1 extra point for the SF is also a bit of a joke.
Edit: not to mention the 38 point kihrazazaz
Edited by Brunas9 minutes ago, Brunas said:I'm with @Sunitsa on this one. Generic t65s ARE bad. The bwing is the same price and better. 1 extra point for the SF is also a bit of a joke.
Edit: not to mention the 38 point kihrazazaz
And yet xwings perform well
11 minutes ago, Brunas said:I'm with @Sunitsa on this one. Generic t65s ARE bad. The bwing is the same price and better. 1 extra point for the SF is also a bit of a joke.
Edit: not to mention the 38 point kihrazazaz
K fighters now have a chance to show us what's up... We'll see how it goes.
I agree that the B-Wing is good, but accounting the dial limitations, I'd rather fly a naked generic t65 than a naked generic B. I feel like I get more tactical milage out of my T65s, but that's just me.
Serious question: why do you guys think HS power level should be lower than extended right now? With the exception of phantoms and most scum toys (which still have to prove to bear some weights) aren't the two formats almost the same right now? Good rebel stuff it's still there and Jedi can still wreck havoc for example
24 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:
XXXU. Sure, Biggs and Wedge are special. What's the explanation/excuse for the third?
Also, XXXX had a 31% conversion rate. If that's bad then everything is bad and that makes nothing bad.
For XXXU my explanation is you could have thrown whatever fourth ship into Wedge + Leia and have a decent shot to make the cut
For XXXX I have no idea actually. But I stand my point, in my experience T65 are bad. Heck they were worse than Bs even when Bs cost 42. Swarm tactics Wedge + ST Garven + Biggs + whatever X were a jousting power house, but they fell apart pretty quickly and don't offer much more than jousting value.
I would like to point out that in this specific case, I'm talking from actual mat experience with and against many different kind of rebel beef and no matter what, T65 are worse than Bs
4 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:For XXXX I have no idea actually. But I stand my point, in my experience T65 are bad.
XXXX does give enough of a list and dial flexibility that you could conceivably do okay, if you outplay your opponents. It's definitely hard mode against wordy lists though...
I'm in agreement that T65 generics are a bad buy. I love the dial, but the B-wing plodding along is far more reliable for the points -- and is in the same faction, and also in Hyperspace....
17 minutes ago, Bucknife said:
I agree that the B-Wing is good, but accounting the dial limitations, I'd rather fly a naked generic t65 than a naked generic B. I feel like I get more tactical milage out of my T65s, but that's just me.
I don't think you have ever played Bs properly if you think so.
The generic B is even better than ten numb actually (but you had to play ten in extended to not fold against phantoms sadly...)
Generic B even won a sos (and was also in the runner up list...)
Obviously at some point personal taste and "feel" with a dial/ship should be taken into consideration, but the generic B is basically the benchmark of any potentially good generic because it's hard to ps kill in alpha, has a pretty decent dial and it can focus barrel. Seriously, being able to barrel for a block or to shift way of approach and still have focus to mod offense it's golden
41 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:Serious question: why do you guys think HS power level should be lower than extended right now? With the exception of phantoms and most scum toys (which still have to prove to bear some weights) aren't the two formats almost the same right now? Good rebel stuff it's still there and Jedi can still wreck havoc for example
As I see it: it then boils down to which factions have their Extended powerhouse lists available in HS. Scum had one HS (Boba) and three Extended lists of which two (Dreadloks, Palob/4LOM nonsense) got nerfed hard. Now it has one good explored Extended list left (Ketsu/OT) and pretty much no HS presence to speak of, as ImpAces/Beef outclass anything HS Scum can throw on the table. (Implying there might be some unexplored territory in Scum)
I wanted to say that without these lists Scum/CIS would have better time competing in HS, but it seems more probable that Jedi would actually bully HS.
2 hours ago, Sunitsa said:Serious question: why do you guys think HS power level should be lower than extended right now?
All power levels should remain low.
I don't get people calling for constant buffs. When in doubt, power down - not up!
That is easier in HS where less combowing is possible.
3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:All power levels should remain low.
I don't get people calling for constant buffs. When in doubt, power down - not up!
That is easier in HS where less combowing is possible.
The balance is all about the "auto-include" aversion, I think.
Ships, pilots, and upgrades.
If it's an "auto-include" to throw an I6 in any list to be competitive, I believe that's something the devs will take into account.
Right now, I don't feel completely inclined to take Poe to every tournament. It seems like a CHOICE.
That's a good thing.
3 hours ago, Brunas said:I'm with @Sunitsa on this one. Generic t65s ARE bad. The bwing is the same price and better. 1 extra point for the SF is also a bit of a joke.
Edit: not to mention the 38 point kihrazazaz
Arcs at 42 pretty stronk too.
Blair made an interesting point once. He likes b wings but will only put a couple in a list. He throws x wings in there because the dial and boost gives it a bit more flexibility than the b wings have.