56 minutes ago, Ximatique said:

Chiraneau, and Decimators in general. I feel like they are on the verge of greatness, and that they just need a little push to be very good.

I genuinely think there's a scary list with RAC and Rexler. Both are incredibly hard to destroy in their own way and can do significant damage with the right opportunity. Right now, a good Rexler means RAC is pretty thin, but if RAC goes down, there might be something real.

10 minutes ago, gennataos said:

What makes you say that? Like, the OT took over some of the stuff that Resistance was doing, or the beef pushed Resistance out?

Bit of both? If you filter metawing to before and after wave 3, Res 5s just falls off the earth.

Some of it - bad matchups? Vader and Soontir moving last, or weird T70 lists getting beefed on by hyper consistent lists that can shrug off entire rounds of shooting. Vennie was always kind of a flash in the pan, but 4 ship Rebel just straight outjousts him.

Rest of it - preference / playstyle? I imagine a lot of Poe players switched to Vader/Soontir, and a lot of XXAA players switched to beef.

2 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

I genuinely think there's a scary list with RAC and Rexler. Both are incredibly hard to destroy in their own way and can do significant damage with the right opportunity. Right now, a good Rexler means RAC is pretty thin, but if RAC goes down, there might be something real.

I'm scared of RAC Whisper.

It already has the telltale signs of Agency Theft, and unless Whisper goes up, is mostly formed out of overcosted cards.

1 minute ago, svelok said:

I'm scared of RAC Whisper.

It already has the telltale signs of Agency Theft, and unless Whisper goes up, is mostly formed out of overcosted cards.

The great thing about either of those is making use of the largely ignored Coordinate on RAC. The activation order flexibility combined with Coordinate is so useful.

2 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

Okay then...

Non Boba Spray decreases would be ok but I still fear anything with Rear + Boost, it is the most gluey glue.
Non-Kylo Silencers 100% need some attention, let dreams be dreams.
VCX with shuttle + double tap shenanigans that isnt just some casual troll gimic i fully agree is nightmare fuel. The "Magva/Saw 14 HP X-Wing" 1-2 upgrade leialess variants are basically Trench Run IQ tests and seem fine
Decimators.....I hope for a timeline where the best Deci is a 1 upgrade deci supporting 2-5 ships.

2 hours ago, LagJanson said:

M3A Scyk / Sunny Bounder

Inaldra best Syck.

40 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Inaldra best Syck.

No way. Swoop race collusion is the ultimate piloting experience. Sunny all the way. (Optimism is eternal when you already fixed it so you win the race)

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

What makes you say that? Like, the OT took over some of the stuff that Resistance was doing, or the beef pushed Resistance out?

I think the addition of Soontir (and Anakin) was crushing to Poe. He's not special with double repositioning at i6 anymore, and it looks like he was paying quite the tax for it.

7 minutes ago, Brunas said:

I think the addition of Soontir (and Anakin) was crushing to Poe. He's not special with double repositioning at i6 anymore, and it looks like he was paying quite the tax for it.

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

3 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

I support this man. All Hyperspace additions into OT factions when Wave 3 launched were bad for hyperspace and all other factions that are now behind the curve or available options for list building.

I strongly disagree. Because as an Empire primary player I hated that the only viable things were TIE swarms (not interested) or Vader.

I mean they had a crew carrier with o crew worth a toss, while Rebels and scum got almost all their crew. Yeah, hyperspace was crap before, and there wasn’t enough variety with only 4 ships. 6 ships is, if not the perfect number, much closer to the ideal number for a limited rotation based format.

18 minutes ago, RStan said:

I support this man. All Hyperspace additions into OT factions when Wave 3 launched were bad for hyperspace and all other factions that are now behind the curve or available options for list building.

I’ve got one!

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

All of the mid season ship additions were a mistake. They added a bunch of stuff no one needed because of vocal players who didnt like the format and probably still dont.

2 hours ago, svelok said:

Bit of both? If you filter metawing to before and after wave 3, Res 5s just falls off the earth.

Some of it - bad matchups? Vader and Soontir moving last, or weird T70 lists getting beefed on by hyper consistent lists that can shrug off entire rounds of shooting. Vennie was always kind of a flash in the pan, but 4 ship Rebel just straight outjousts him.

Rest of it - preference / playstyle? I imagine a lot of Poe players switched to Vader/Soontir, and a lot of XXAA players switched to beef.

I'm scared of RAC Whisper.

It already has the telltale signs of Agency Theft, and unless Whisper goes up, is mostly formed out of overcosted cards.

yea, I was a Poe player, a rebel mixed squad player... I got my Hyperspace cut with Beef due to the hyperspace change ups, and right now in Extended I'm flying Soontir/Vader/Echo. Poe's in trouble right now. Resistance is hardly scary, but a few of us locally are doing what we can to make Rey or Han work.

26 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

I agree

6 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

I strongly disagree. Because as an Empire primary player I hated that the only viable things were TIE swarms (not interested) or Vader.

I mean they had a crew carrier with o crew worth a toss, while Rebels and scum got almost all their crew. Yeah, hyperspace was crap before, and there wasn’t enough variety with only 4 ships. 6 ships is, if not the perfect number, much closer to the ideal number for a limited rotation based format.

I disagree. If Empire doesn't have stuff you like you aren't an Empire player.

4 minutes ago, Brunas said:

If Empire doesn't have stuff you like you aren't an Empire player.

Strong.

And true...

13 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

I strongly disagree. Because as an Empire primary player I hated that the only viable things were TIE swarms (not interested) or Vader.

I mean they had a crew carrier with o crew worth a toss, while Rebels and scum got almost all their crew. Yeah, hyperspace was crap before, and there wasn’t enough variety with only 4 ships. 6 ships is, if not the perfect number, much closer to the ideal number for a limited rotation based format.

6ish Ships does sound like it EVENTUALLY could be the best version of Hyperspace, but not while leaving behind the other factions that were still stuck at 3-4 ships. There is no difference between new product release ships and rerelease ships in the hyperspace format which means the OT factions are very much ahead of Separatists, Republic, Resistance and First Order.

I've got mixed feelings. I feel like Rebels needed some sort of cheap ship/blocker--the Y-Wing can be awkward piece to try to use as a filler sometimes, and flies like a brick. I feel like the Empire needed some access to ordnance, and the TIE Bomber is probably a better add than a Punisher. However, the timing seems wrong to me, given the thin-ness of the other factions. Could the TIE Bomber wait until the Hyena is on the table? Could the A-Wing wait until the N-1?

20 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I was a Poe player

@Wiredin, buddy...Poe players in the past tense were never Poe players. They were players who played Poe.

23 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Resistance is hardly scary

Not sure if I agree. Not in a "I'm going to blow you off the mat" kind of way, but they never were that.

24 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

a few of us locally are doing what we can to make Rey or Han work.

Good luck and report back! I've finally started playing the Resistance Falcon, wish I'd started a looooong time ago. Not because it's good and I missed out, but because I never gave it a chance to see, for myself, if it could be.

53 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Sounds right to me. I actually think the inclusion (right now) of the interceptors in Hyperspace was a mistake, but I’m unlikely to gain a lot of support in that front.

I agree

I always assumed Soontir > objectivity. How embarrassing.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

@Wiredin, buddy...Poe players in the past tense were never Poe players. They were players who played Poe.

Not sure if I agree. Not in a "I'm going to blow you off the mat" kind of way, but they never were that.

Good luck and report back! I've finally started playing the Resistance Falcon, wish I'd started a looooong time ago. Not because it's good and I missed out, but because I never gave it a chance to see, for myself, if it could be.

Poe Tallie Vennie was my list from launch of Resistance! Still love it. My locals started reeeeing when they saw it popping up all over the place. The Feb point adjustment made me a little sad tho.

Right now I'm most scared of Rebel beef as it constantly has my number, but Resistance/Scum are near the same threat level to me right now. To me:

Tier 1 threat: Rebel, Imperial

Tier 2 threat: FO

Tier 3 threat: Resistance, Scum

Tier 4 threat: Republic, CIS

Not to say that a good player with Republic can't do some serious damage. Just my opinions based on local play, I know the community at large with largely disagree!

Right now Rey/Han has been a fun list, but not overly competitive. Games have been ultra close against Beef/Aces, but I haven't pulled any out yet.

I feel like Poe could work really well in another faction hes just kinda awkward to play with only RZ2As next to him.

10 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Soontir > objectivity.

-Chris "I've never met an Imperial fan boy" Allen

Resistance has been way too much overrated since the release, the only good ships and pilots it has got are the A-wings. People were overplaying it because it was new, rebel beef was still under the radar (despite being very good even before leia and Bs discounts), hyperspace meta was sad and PhilGC factor.

70 points for Poe are way too much and some people still believe Nien is good at 55 naked lol

4 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Hi Thread, what is one ship/pilot that will be A-Tier in July thats irrelevant now?

Anakin is far from being irrelevant now but it will be nightmare material in June

4 hours ago, Dreadai said:

I don't think anyone ever thought there was some kind of strange personal attack on Jack Mooney. No-one disputes that Han is good. However the hyperbole laden rants post UK SoS were that it was a Gluesniffer list that any idiot could win with.

Since then, a lot of folk have shown that not to be the case. The two highest finishing instances of Handbrake Han in the cut were flown by Rasta Maice (European champion) and Jack. Both are exceptional players with literally thousands of reps with two ship builds like Han/Jake or Dash Poe.

It's worth noting that the other Han in top 16 (Pete) didn't have ID ...

This forum overreacted way too much about Han: it's not like that being able to theoretically going to a shitton of different places matters that much in Xwing when usually you have 2 good potential manouver that are actually good. Pulling the hand brake also isn't as free as most people make it be... For the record I still think that ID needs to have one or two charges and shouldn't be a thing like it is right now, but the panic it created were way unjustified

7 minutes ago, jagsba said:

-Chris "I've never met an Imperial fan boy" Allen

I need a "guy realizes he's surrounded by people he thought were joking but were actually serious the whole time" reaction face