4 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

...After we finish pairing and set up, my empire player looks at me and says "he has luke gunner".


...Oh. 

OOof.

We had a similar situation at Outryder during the extended rounds. We had a player running Resistance Chewie and A-wings. He did very well with it the first three rounds he played. The third round he picked a list that had some sort of sloane lambda and mini-swarm list. He came back after getting pounded and just looked and said "They also had 7th sister crew".

Ooops. Missed that in pairing.

quick rules question: if an attempted afterburner boost fails, is the charge spent? I thought so, but apparenly it's not necessarily the case

1 minute ago, viedit said:

OOof.

We had a similar situation at Outryder during the extended rounds. We had a player running Resistance Chewie and A-wings. He did very well with it the first three rounds he played. The third round he picked a list that had some sort of sloane lambda and mini-swarm list. He came back after getting pounded and just looked and said "They also had 7th sister crew".

Ooops. Missed that in pairing.

Our Empire player still won (Matt MVP!), but man, luke gunner absolutely made that a real game, whereas the absence of it makes it pretty lopsided.

12 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Last round, I put our empire player (TIE salad) against a seemingly innocent Han Wedge list, which the empire list usually dumpsters.

EZ.

...After we finish pairing and set up, my empire player looks at me and says "he has luke gunner".


...Oh.

(Luke gunner does, in fact, make vader nervous.)

Was that team hyperspace? He flew that list really well and got tremendous mileage out of luke gunner

Yeah I played Matt twice this weekend. The first game was Friday and literally the first time I put that 5 s/f list on the table. Then again when we matched up to you guys round 4. Both great games and I'm still struggling to figure out target priority and engagements against the "Good Stuff".

4 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Was that team hyperspace? He flew that list really well and got tremendous mileage out of luke gunner

It was.

10 minutes ago, viedit said:

Yeah I played Matt twice this weekend. The first game was Friday and literally the first time I put that 5 s/f list on the table. Then again when we matched up to you guys round 4. Both great games and I'm still struggling to figure out target priority and engagements against the "Good Stuff".

Thing is, we don't know the correct target priority, which is why we like the list so much 😛

10 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Was that team hyperspace? He flew that list really well and got tremendous mileage out of luke gunner

Aww schucks. Yeah my games against Mat went well until I traded Wedge for nothing. Even then it was close as half of my Han was > then half of Vader/Countdown

12 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

quick rules question: if an attempted afterburner boost fails, is the charge spent? I thought so, but apparenly it's not necessarily the case

Looked at the rules. FFG has Perform and Fail as exclusionary states in the Actions section of the Rules Reference: "Actions are either white or red. After a ship performs or fails a red action, it gains one stress token."

I couldn't find something to contradict that...

4 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Looked at the rules. FFG has Perform and Fail as exclusionary states in the Actions section of the Rules Reference: "Actions are either white or red. After a ship performs or fails a red action, it gains one stress token."

I couldn't find something to contradict that...

Under abilities it says "A ship can pay a cost for an effect only if the effect can be resolved."

Under failed actions "Some effects can FAIL, which means the effect did not resolve as intended and instead is resolved in a default way".

If the boost is resolved in the default way, it is still resolved and the charge is still spent.

Else I may start abusing Afterburners plus Composure.

26 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

quick rules question: if an attempted afterburner boost fails, is the charge spent? I thought so, but apparenly it's not necessarily the case

I'd thought the latest consensus is that it spent the charge. You've still performed a boost, you've just executed it in a different way, by staying still instead of moving.

4 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Else I may start abusing Afterburners plus Composure.

Might not be too bad a trick sometimes, even if it spends a charge. Do a 3-speed into R1, fail the boost, get a focus, take a lock as normal action. On someone like a Talonbane Cobra or someone with Advanced Proton Torpedoes (Quinn Jast can recharge Afterburners, too!), it might be worth it.

3 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Under abilities it says "A ship can pay a cost for an effect only if the effect can be resolved."

Under failed actions "Some effects can FAIL, which means the effect did not resolve as intended and instead is resolved in a default way".

If the boost is resolved in the default way, it is still resolved and the charge is still spent.

Else I may start abusing Afterburners plus Composure.

Nothing you quoted contradicts that an action can either be performed or failed. The default resolution isn't performing the action. It is what happens when the action is failed. As for "abusing" Composure... Possible, but don't be stressed when you attempt it.

20 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Aww schucks. Yeah my games against Mat went well until I traded Wedge for nothing. Even then it was close as half of my Han was > then half of Vader/Countdown

WAIT WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS THIS WHOLE TIME AND YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO ME AT KC?! I WOULD HAVE HAD MORE HUGS

13 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

WAIT WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS THIS WHOLE TIME AND YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO ME AT KC?! I WOULD HAVE HAD MORE HUGS

Dude, I have no idea who people on the forum are in real life except for Brunas and Tlfj200. I pretty much only know people in NOVA and half the time that comes down to "Hey man - what was your name again?"

So I guess I owe you hugs AND a beer since I should have grabbed you one at the ale house. Hopefully you can travel next year!

Watching the Krayt Cup streams over the weekend and testing a ton of different hyperspace lists on vassal the game feels really solid. Genuinely fun.

I sorta expected the hyperspace meta to start to begin to look more restrictive right about now, once the pt adjust honeymoon ended.

We are seeing the usual “majority of players run the good guy factions that start with R*” meta. But its paired with a huge variety of other options across the existing factions and were about to get 2 new factions?

I wonder if we are living in the best possible X-Wing timeline?

Jedi could mess it up if any of them can joust/bid at SoL tier initiative with the added threat that they fit into the good guy faction preference category so it will actually get used.

But thats an unknown, either way the game is looking very healthy.

Thanks FFG.

18 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Nothing you quoted contradicts that an action can either be performed or failed. The default resolution isn't performing the action. It is what happens when the action is failed. As for "abusing" Composure... Possible, but don't be stressed when you attempt it.

But it is still resolved even if it is failed and under costs it says nothing about success or failure, just resolution. Not saying you are wrong, but it doesn't seem as clear to me either way compared to HOW TALON ROLLS WORK.

Just now, Boom Owl said:

Watching the Krayt Cup streams over the weekend and testing a ton of different hyperspace lists on vassal the game feels really solid. Genuinely fun.

I sorta expected the hyperspace meta to start to begin to look more restrictive right about now, once the pt adjust honeymoon ended.

We are seeing the usual “majority of players run the good guy factions that start with R*” meta. But its paired with a huge variety of other options across the existing factions and were about to get 2 new factions?

I wonder if we are living in the best possible X-Wing timeline?

Jedi could mess it up if any of them can joust/bid at SoL tier initiative with the added threat that they fit into the good guy faction preference category.

But thats an unknown, either way the game is looking very healthy.

This is the first time in years that I wasn't "burnt out" on x-wing at the end of a tournament, and immediately wanted to play more games. Hyperspace format felt really open and fun.

I know we have some early regional results that look limited, but man, we had some really high level talent in a room throwing lists at each other, and it looked pretty varied.

Just like how everyone thought empire was bad, people think scum is too... I still believe in boba pretty hard, and it turns out he's not bad against 4-5 ships (and even better against less).

One thing that struck me with a lot of the lists is that the team format encouraging points spending warped list creation... in a good way

Was happy to see some less common upgrades tacked onto lists and not everyone racing to the bottom for bids. Sad that the correct answer, in other events, for a lot of them is to strip them out so you can win move last

6 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

This is the first time in years that I wasn't "burnt out" on x-wing at the end of a tournament, and immediately wanted to play more games. Hyperspace format felt really open and fun.

I know we have some early regional results that look limited, but man, we had some really high level talent in a room throwing lists at each other, and it looked pretty varied.

Just like how everyone thought empire was bad, people think scum is too... I still believe in boba pretty hard, and it turns out he's not bad against 4-5 ships (and even better against less).

I still can't believe our Scum TIE Swarm worked out so well. I went in with no expectations for the day at all.

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

But it is still resolved even if it is failed and under costs it says nothing about success or failure, just resolution. Not saying you are wrong, but it doesn't seem as clear to me either way compared to HOW TALON ROLLS WORK.

Bolded isn't used in the Actions section, perform is... Paying Costs stipulates the effect takes place. Performing a Boost action is the effect of paying the charge. Actions can be performed or fail. Failing an action is not performing the action. The charge cost is not paid since the boost wasn't performed.

3 minutes ago, Makaze said:

One thing that struck me with a lot of the lists is that the team format encouraging points spending warped list creation... in a good way

Was happy to see some less common upgrades tacked onto lists and not everyone racing to the bottom for bids. Sad that the correct answer, in other events, for a lot of them is to strip them out so you can win move last

Right. Though I think it also started showing people a lot of squads dont need that bid (some resitance still definitely do).

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

This is the first time in years that I wasn't "burnt out" on x-wing at the end of a tournament, and immediately wanted to play more games. Hyperspace format felt really open and fun.

I know we have some early regional results that look limited, but man, we had some really high level talent in a room throwing lists at each other, and it looked pretty varied.

Just like how everyone thought empire was bad, people think scum is too... I still believe in boba pretty hard, and it turns out he's not bad against 4-5 ships (and even better against less).

The regionals I think look limited because the most intrinsically popular things in the game X-Wings, Poe/Wedge, Turrets, high init things, and the good guys get played more than everything else always and also happen to be decent now or overlap? The letter R messes with general list choices more than I think is realized.

Curious to see the Top 50 Tournament list selection. I think that could be the best representation of what the format actually has to offer.

The team tournament format messes with bid choices a bit and might create more of an illusion of variety than actually exists? 180 pt Poe is still hanging around and if Super Jedi fit with ways to joust or alpha...get the panic button ready.

Still plenty to be positive about though.

Just now, Boom Owl said:

The regionals I think look limited because the most intrinsically popular things in the game X-Wings, Poe/Wedge, Turrets, high init things, and the good guys get played more than everything else always and also happen to be decent now or overlap? The letter R messes with general list choices more than I think is realized.

Curious to see the Top 50 Tournament list selection. I think that could be the best representation of what the format actually has to offer.

The team tournament format messes with bid choices a bit and might create more of an illusion of variety than actually exists? 180 pt Poe is still hanging around and if Super Jedi fit with ways to joust or alpha...get the panic button ready.

Still plenty to be positive about though.

the team bid aspect barely affected our decision... and we had the auto-win at a total of a team bid of 2.

We went in with "let's make the best lists we want to play", and many turned out to be "we think higher ship count is good, and that means we usually spend nearly 200 points", with the except of our scum list. Even then, we're brainstorming new variations of boba (turns out no one is counting to 200 in scum).

2 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The regionals I think look limited because the most intrinsically popular things in the game X-Wings, Poe/Wedge, Turrets, high init things, and the good guys get played more than everything else always and also happen to be decent now or overlap? The letter R messes with general list choices more than I think is realized.

Curious to see the Top 50 Tournament list selection. I think that could be the best representation of what the format actually has to offer.

The team tournament format messes with bid choices a bit and might create more of an illusion of variety than actually exists? 180 pt Poe is still hanging around and if Super Jedi fit with ways to joust or alpha...get the panic button ready.

Still plenty to be positive about though.

If Poe just becomes dominant, I will be tempted to legit take my Han + Luke Gunner squad and dumpster it.

Just now, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

If Poe just becomes dominant, I will be tempted to legit take my Han + Luke Gunner squad and dumpster it.

I stand by my statement that poe ends up being a liability if the average a-wing count increases.