7 minutes ago, Turbo Toker said:

The ARC is tolerable as long as it just stays the ARC. There is a strong argument to be made that it brought a lot gameplay-wise to the game, a small base with a crew slot and aux arc. The Naboo Starfighter is just goofy looking, and wouldn't be any different from a Z-95 or Syck.

It might be most similar to the scyk, but the rebels don't have the scyk and that's who would get the N1.

It would be a relatively cheap ship with torpedo, astromech, barrel roll (likely), and maybe evade. That would make it the cheapest rebel torpedo ship, cheapest regen ship, and one of the very few that can barrel roll.

4 minutes ago, banjobenito said:

Thanks for bringing him up; here's a short film that does a really nice job of singing his cinematic praises.

And obviously static camera does not make a TV film.

Static camera has its place, but it shouldn't be a norm. When it's used, it should be as a contrast to movement in scene, or as a form of visual puncutation.

Today, a bad tendency is towards slow meandering dolly shots around the protagonist - for no real reason. Just to impart some threadbare sense of dynamism. It's a cheap trick, and TPM does it a lot. When a shot is static, it should be so to convey an emotion or sense of event, to force the eye to rest, etc. But when it is used for most scenes, the eye ... just ...goes ... to sleep... And when you combine this with bad movement, you have a recipe for disaster. TPM was one such disaster. I'm not saying it was without virtues - like I said, McGregor did a great job, all things considered, and the choreography was superb (if a bit circus-like for my taste). But in terms of fundamental techniques of film composition? TPM is a car crash.

I'm not going to try and discuss the relative merits between TPM and TFA myself, but I will say this. I used to be one of the ones who didn't mind TPM so much, and would defend it from the more irrational hate online. I recently watched the "Fall of the Jedi" version though. This is a fan edit of the prequels that, among other things, removes the worst bits of TPM (jar jars most cringe worthy parts, the battle droids speech, a bunch of anikin's stuff, midichlorians, etc...). I discovered that removing the worst 10% of the movie just serves to highlight how bad the rest of it is. With the junk still in there, the rest of the film looks good by comparison, without it, you realize that it just looks good by comparison and actually isn't.

All that said, I think the N1 is the best looking ship in the prequels and would love for it to make it into x-wing as a rebel ship.

While I am no fan of the prequels, I wouldn't be opposed to the Republic and Seperatists being added as new factions. The Clone Wars was actually an awesome show, so having stuff for that would be cool.

Seperatists could be an interesting swarm focused faction with few unique pilots. Republic slightly less so, but also with a lot of generic focuses.

1 hour ago, Turbo Toker said:

The ARC is tolerable as long as it just stays the ARC. There is a strong argument to be made that it brought a lot gameplay-wise to the game, a small base with a crew slot and aux arc. The Naboo Starfighter is just goofy looking, and wouldn't be any different from a Z-95 or Syck.

Just lol. Don't throw idiotic "threats" if you don't intend to follow up. You will tell us the same bullcrap when N-1 is announced.

The ARC-170 is already out, I think the naysayers have either left for Armada or warmed up to the idea of prequel ship in X-wing.

Now the only question is who gets what? We know the Rebels get the ARC-170.

• Rebels: Naboo N-1, Jedi Starfighter
• Imperial: (Clone wars) Y-wing, (Clone wars) V-wing
• Scum: Droid Fighter, CIS Tri Fighter

So yeah, I think the N-1 is more likely to be released than the Imperial Gunboat. Sorry folks.

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

• Scum: Droid Fighter, CIS Tri Fighter

How do you figure this one?

There are other Scum options from TCW. Hondo's pirate fighters and all the ships from Shadow Collective. It's been a while since I warched the series, but I'm sure there are more.

No, never.

15 minutes ago, jmswood said:

How do you figure this one?

There are other Scum options from TCW. Hondo's pirate fighters and all the ships from Shadow Collective. It's been a while since I warched the series, but I'm sure there are more.

Just focusing on the movies mostly, I'm sure there are more but again this is a guess. Also where are all the CIS fighters going to go? Not exactly Imperial as they all got shut down and scrapped, and the Alliance which considers themselves the defenders of the Republic still see the CIS as the enemy. So it has always been Scum as the waste not want not faction. CIS goes mostly to Scum.

Just now, Marinealver said:

Just focusing on the movies mostly, I'm sure there are more but again this is a guess. Also where are all the CIS fighters going to go? Not exactly Imperial as they all got shut down and scrapped, and the Alliance which considers themselves the defenders of the Republic still see the CIS as the enemy. So it has always been Scum as the waste not want not faction. CIS goes mostly to Scum.

If you can find a canon reference with Scum using CIS droid fighters, then post it. Otherwise, you're only speculating. I'm not speculating: the books Tarkin and Catalyst both mention the Empire ran a massive disarmament campaign in CIS systems and scrapped everything. They knew where to look because Palp was pulling the strings the whole time.

8 minutes ago, jmswood said:

If you can find a canon reference with Scum using CIS droid fighters, then post it. Otherwise, you're only speculating. I'm not speculating: the books Tarkin and Catalyst both mention the Empire ran a massive disarmament campaign in CIS systems and scrapped everything. They knew where to look because Palp was pulling the strings the whole time.

OMG lol Oh no it is not canon (Did people forget who made Episode 7?)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zann_Consortium/Legends#Droid_Works

Okay you're right it is now Legends. Lol

Okay then, what faction do you think the Droid faction should go to. And you can't say CIS, there isn't going to be a CIS or Republic in X-wing. ARC-170 made sure of that, you have to pick a primary faction. I still say Scum.

1 hour ago, Marinealver said:

Okay then, what faction do you think the Droid faction should go to. And you can't say CIS, there isn't going to be a CIS or Republic in X-wing. ARC-170 made sure of that, you have to pick a primary faction. I still say Scum.

Battle droids/ships from the CIS are mostly extinct, but yes, the only faction that would fit them here is Scum. Maybe the new canon will bring those droids back, even if as a bunch of independent "survivors", like in that episode of Rebels.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they never showed up again...

Would buy.

And I hate rebel scum.

47 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

OMG lol Oh no it is not canon (Did people forget who made Episode 7?)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zann_Consortium/Legends#Droid_Works

Okay you're right it is now Legends. Lol

Okay then, what faction do you think the Droid faction should go to. And you can't say CIS, there isn't going to be a CIS or Republic in X-wing. ARC-170 made sure of that, you have to pick a primary faction. I still say Scum.

I like a lot of Legends, but there is a great deal I'm unfamiliar with. I'm cool with Legends ships in the game. Based on that, I don't actually have a problem with Scum getting droid fighters.

I can say droids should be CIS, becaus unless you have an ace up your sleeve you can't definitively say there will never be more factions in the game.

23 minutes ago, jmswood said:

I like a lot of Legends, but there is a great deal I'm unfamiliar with. I'm cool with Legends ships in the game. Based on that, I don't actually have a problem with Scum getting droid fighters.

I can say droids should be CIS, becaus unless you have an ace up your sleeve you can't definitively say there will never be more factions in the game.

Agreed, clone wars ships should be in their own faction, except for the current precedent is that they won't. There won't even be a subfaction for CIS let alone Republic. Part of it is the difficulty for pairing them together, unlike Resistance and 1stOrder which are direct descendants from their previous factions the same can't be said for the Alliance and Empire when comparing it to Republic and CIS. In one spectrum you have Federal and Insurgent which would put CIS with the rebels and Republic with Empire, on the other force spectrum you have light, neutral, and dark which reverses that. besides, the only difference between Resistance and Rebel Alliance ship is the icon and card back. It is much like runner IDs in Netrunner, G-mod, Cyborg, and natural just serves as flavor text, and nothing more.

Unless there is a subfaction split (which is not really in the foreseeable future) the 3 primary factions are the ones to stay and every new ship from what ever show or medium will have to find its spot within those 3.

2 hours ago, Marinealver said:

OMG lol Oh no it is not canon (Did people forget who made Episode 7?)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zann_Consortium/Legends#Droid_Works

Okay you're right it is now Legends. Lol

Okay then, what faction do you think the Droid faction should go to. And you can't say CIS, there isn't going to be a CIS or Republic in X-wing. ARC-170 made sure of that, you have to pick a primary faction. I still say Scum.

Hmmm apparently the Free Ryloth movement used during the Rebellion some CIS equipment... that gave me some ideas...

The Reference card would say something like this:

Activation Phase: the owner rolls 1 die for each buzz droids token. On a <hit> or <crit> result, the ship receives 1 face up damage card. On a blank result, discard that buzz droids token.

Quoted from Wookieepedia's canon section on the CIS:

"Separatist military equipment (including battle droids) that survived the war was used by a number of pirate and resistance organizations"

The Tarkin novel mentions Separatist ships and droids used by organized crime syndicates. I think any CIS releases could be easily put into the Scum faction.

Also, I think most of the major suppliers of battledroids to the CIS (The Trade Federation, for example) make sense as part of the Scum as well.

I think the N-1 would add some neat options to the rebel tool kit. It would be the only astromech and torpedo carrier cheaper than the Y-wing. I'd love to see Leia as a pilot too.

8 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Quoted from Wookieepedia's canon section on the CIS:

"Separatist military equipment (including battle droids) that survived the war was used by a number of pirate and resistance organizations"

The Tarkin novel mentions Separatist ships and droids used by organized crime syndicates. I think any CIS releases could be easily put into the Scum faction.

5 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Also, I think most of the major suppliers of battledroids to the CIS (The Trade Federation, for example) make sense as part of the Scum as well.

What about this?

I made a new upgrade <program> for the droids, to differentiate them even more.

PS: You guys just robbed me 1 hour of sleep.

13 hours ago, markcsoul said:

It might be most similar to the scyk, but the rebels don't have the scyk and that's who would get the N1.

It would be a relatively cheap ship with torpedo, astromech, barrel roll (likely), and maybe evade. That would make it the cheapest rebel torpedo ship, cheapest regen ship, and one of the very few that can barrel roll.

It would be another cheap, fragile single ordnance slot 2 attack die primary ship. Like the Inquisitor's TIE, Z-95, Syck, and A-Wing, and all of those ships besides for the Inquisitor's TIE are in multiple expansions. Does the Rebellion need a 3rd (4th if you count both A-Wing expansions) one of these ships?

The ARC is a fun ship and brings something new to the table. I don't think slapping an astromech onto a Syck is different enough.

37 minutes ago, Odanan said:

What about this?

I made a new upgrade <program> for the droids, to differentiate them even more.

PS: You guys just robbed me 1 hour of sleep.

Personally, I'd say 2 att. The dial is a too much. Droid pilots also have difficulty with maneuvers as shown by the IGs, Guri, and Chopper. Splash some red on the turn arounds at least or bump up the price. Like the idea of programs. Not sure about boost, but think the no focus is an interesting caveat.

16 hours ago, Marinealver said:

The ARC-170 is already out, I think the naysayers have either left for Armada or warmed up to the idea of prequel ship in X-wing.

Now the only question is who gets what? We know the Rebels get the ARC-170.

• Rebels: Naboo N-1, Jedi Starfighter
• Imperial: (Clone wars) Y-wing, (Clone wars) V-wing
• Scum: Droid Fighter, CIS Tri Fighter

I see N-1 as rebel, Eta-2 as imp and V-wing as Scum. Perhaps the Droid fighters can be part of a Scummie Campaign set. I would LOVE an Imp BTL-B, either in beautiful white and gold or Empire Grey. The Delta-7 was just too rare in the Empire to justify a model in this game I think.

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So yeah, I think the N-1 is more likely to be released than the Imperial Gunboat. Sorry folks.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! That's not true, that's IMPOSSIBLE!

ok then, what about the V-19?

7 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Personally, I'd say 2 att. The dial is a too much. Droid pilots also have difficulty with maneuvers as shown by the IGs, Guri, and Chopper. Splash some red on the turn arounds at least or bump up the price. Like the idea of programs. Not sure about boost, but think the no focus is an interesting caveat.

It has 6 blasters, so 3 attack is not rounding-up for more, but for less.

I will add some red to the dial.

The ship is naturally fast (speed of the TIE Interceptor), so I think the boost is needed.