Knowing that your posts on this forum about prize support do nothing to correct the issue - are you going to continue to post about it on a regular basis? Are you going to continue to work to create a poison envionment? Or are you going to do something else to help UFS?

You start a revolution Lars.

If you have a retailer who feels that they are being undercut by the Holiday sale, please have them contact FFG.

Something FFG did last year, and I'm not spending the time to find the small print this year - is that retailers can contact FFG so they can arrange to sell the merchandise that they have on hand for the same prices as FFG.

If the retailer can unload their product at the same prices, and FFG is helping the retailer unload extra unwanted product - HOW IS FFG SCREWING THE RETAILER?

All the store has to do is call FFG.

Regarding Prize Support "Sucking":

Sure, Perfect memory may not be a fantastic card. But would you rather that or promo fish man? The players complained that prize support wasn't strong enough. They complained that prize support is too strong. In another thread you'll probably be complaining that Paid to Protect is too good. There is no win for FFG. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain.

RE: Worlds "Not being what they were."

2008 FFG was hamstrung, and restricted on the amount of space they had. It wasn't their choice. So they implemented the qualifier system. People were up in arms, and many people boycotted worlds because of that. FFG had no choice, and had to plan based on the previous years experience. They didn't know there was going to be the backlash that there was.

2009 - Steve booked the event, left it open for everyone, and ran it as they did. He wanted to see who would show up to Play UFS. He wanted to see what the true unabashed, non-bribed to come play version of the worlds looked like. He didn't like what he saw any more then you did. What did he do about it? He immediately announced rotation in an effort to try and make the game more accessible. To try and purge the negative environment from the game.

FFG took immediate action, good or bad.
The prize support was significantly improved this year over last year. We've already agreed on that. You still feel it's not good enough. That's cool. Steve has said that they are constantly working on fine tuning the prize support system. They haven't said that "this is the only way it's going to be."

Regarding Me "Always defending the Authorities."

• FFG does not actively participate in the boards. If someone does not post counterpoints, and try to illuminate and clarify the issues, and give both sides, it starts looking rather poor.
  
• Many folks approach me about how negative the boards seem. How they always seem to be "hating" on the game. If someone doesn't defend FFG, the boards continue to devolve. I love this game just like many of you. [i'm not going to try and get into a "who loves it more" debate, because that's completely unproductive.] My posting clarifying information is part of that love for this game.
  
• I have not posted that I agree, or disagree with you that the prize support is sufficient. Please go back and read my comments. No where have I said that prize support fantastic, and is exactly what it should be. I have provided factual statements, clarifying what is given away. Where even you (Shaneth in this instance) said "I am happy that my team got those binders, and in it fact skyrocketed our playgroup. "
  You were in fact happy with the prize support you personally received for 2009 Worlds!
  It's great that you are crusading for everyone. But when you got awesome prize support, and you're pretending you got crappy prize support, that really paints the wrong picture, and reflects on you poorly.
• I don't take my issues with FFG out on the forums. You have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I choose to use those contacts selectively, and professionally. Point in case - Can Nats 2009 - There was going to be 0 Prize support there. I worked with FFG to get Prize supported Overnighted to Can Nats. (Paying for it out of my own pocket.) Was it fantastic? No. Was it better then having nothing? Hells yeah.
• FFG Has actively stated they don't want to interact with their fans through the forums. They want to talk to you personally and directly via Email and phone. Many people seem to forget that.
• From time to time I can say what FFG can't / won't. Because I am not an FFG employee, I have some liberties to say things that professionally they can't. I am however privy to certain information either as a Rules Arbiter, or simply through my contacts in the industry. If you'd prefer, I can stop sharing the knowledge that I have.
• At the end of the day, if I have an issue, I work with FFG to get it resolved. Whether it's prize support for my players, product delays getting into the country, or what have you. Because of the respect I extend them, I have no complaints about how they have treated me. (Even from the first moment that they took over UFS, they have been fantastic in providing me information.) In kind, I will defend them, and give them the respect they have given me.

Regarding you "taking back everything you've said"

I don't want you to "take back everything you've said". I want you to be aware of what you're saying. I want you to be aware of your audience. The people reading your message is not FFG. It's new stores, new players, and returning players. If you are one of those three catagories, and you want to "play" UFS, would your actually drive these people to want to get involved with UFS? Would it sour people from even trying UFS?

At the end of the day, how you are choosing to handle the issue, is sabotaging your stated goal of having large player bases. Posting articles. Discussing decks and what works. Growing strategy behind the game - That grows the game. Outside of writing articles, I've gone so far as to pay people out of my own pocket to write articles. What are you doing? Complaining loudly, and massaging the message that you are sending to paint an inaccurate and poor light on FFG and UFS.

We all get that you aren't happy with Prize support. You've posted with great frequncy since returning to the game that you are unhappy with the prize support. Every time you post on the forums, you are told the same thing - CONTACT FFG. Instead of contacting FFG you wait a couple of week, and repost the same diatribe, sometimes using harsher language, sometimes not.

I don't need us to agree. I don't need to come to a mutal concensus.

I need you to focus your desire for change, and your desire for UFS's success in the right direction.

I need to get you on the same page as Darklogos, Viewtiful Joe, and even Shinji lately, who have all been posting intelligent discussion about UFS. Trying to grow the game.

The biggest thing that can help casual players - articles on how to deck build. Articles on how to play. *From my Experience* Casual players don't usually look at the prize support because usually I hear them saying "I can't win."

It's great that you miss the days of STG. FFG does not have the time and money to be able to provide that staffing Experience. The personal contact STG had is the single biggest mistake they made. It was not something that could be maintained. The only reason why they were able to provide the number of man hours in contact that they were, was because they were ramping down their product lines as a business. They had nothing else for their employees to do.

We have been asked... almost two years ago now... to let go of "how great the days of STG were."

Lets be realistic, memories embellish the good points. Lets think back to all of the complaints about how poor, inconsistent, yadda, yadda, yadda, the communication from STG was. Lets remember how many threads bitching because Steve was two weeks late with the SotG post. This isn't a new thing to FFG. This happened back at STG.

People bitched back then about how much of a sarcastic ******* Erik was. Sure... it was really great that he posted to the forums every now and then. Even though he generally ruffled peoples feathers and told them what they didn't want to hear.

At the end of the day, you are entitled to your opinions. You may also be surprised to know how I really feel about certain things. However, if you truly care about UFS, then you'll think about the message that you're sending when you post.

You'll think about how it impacts the board. The poison environment it creates that drives new, and existing players and stores from them. That same posion environment existed back in the days of STG. That same posion environment exists now.

Knowing that your posts on this forum about prize support do nothing to correct the issue - are you going to continue to post about it on a regular basis? Are you going to continue to work to create a poison envionment? Or are you going to do something else to help UFS?

If you have a retailer who feels that they are being undercut by the Holiday sale, please have them contact FFG.

Something FFG did last year, and I'm not spending the time to find the small print this year - is that retailers can contact FFG so they can arrange to sell the merchandise that they have on hand for the same prices as FFG.

If the retailer can unload their product at the same prices, and FFG is helping the retailer unload extra unwanted product - HOW IS FFG SCREWING THE RETAILER?

All the store has to do is call FFG.

Regarding Prize Support "Sucking":

Sure, Perfect memory may not be a fantastic card. But would you rather that or promo fish man? The players complained that prize support wasn't strong enough. They complained that prize support is too strong. In another thread you'll probably be complaining that Paid to Protect is too good. There is no win for FFG. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain.

RE: Worlds "Not being what they were."

2008 FFG was hamstrung, and restricted on the amount of space they had. It wasn't their choice. So they implemented the qualifier system. People were up in arms, and many people boycotted worlds because of that. FFG had no choice, and had to plan based on the previous years experience. They didn't know there was going to be the backlash that there was.

2009 - Steve booked the event, left it open for everyone, and ran it as they did. He wanted to see who would show up to Play UFS. He wanted to see what the true unabashed, non-bribed to come play version of the worlds looked like. He didn't like what he saw any more then you did. What did he do about it? He immediately announced rotation in an effort to try and make the game more accessible. To try and purge the negative environment from the game.

FFG took immediate action, good or bad.
The prize support was significantly improved this year over last year. We've already agreed on that. You still feel it's not good enough. That's cool. Steve has said that they are constantly working on fine tuning the prize support system. They haven't said that "this is the only way it's going to be."

Regarding Me "Always defending the Authorities."

• FFG does not actively participate in the boards. If someone does not post counterpoints, and try to illuminate and clarify the issues, and give both sides, it starts looking rather poor.
  
• Many folks approach me about how negative the boards seem. How they always seem to be "hating" on the game. If someone doesn't defend FFG, the boards continue to devolve. I love this game just like many of you. [i'm not going to try and get into a "who loves it more" debate, because that's completely unproductive.] My posting clarifying information is part of that love for this game.
  
• I have not posted that I agree, or disagree with you that the prize support is sufficient. Please go back and read my comments. No where have I said that prize support fantastic, and is exactly what it should be. I have provided factual statements, clarifying what is given away. Where even you (Shaneth in this instance) said "I am happy that my team got those binders, and in it fact skyrocketed our playgroup. "
  You were in fact happy with the prize support you personally received for 2009 Worlds!
  It's great that you are crusading for everyone. But when you got awesome prize support, and you're pretending you got crappy prize support, that really paints the wrong picture, and reflects on you poorly.
• I don't take my issues with FFG out on the forums. You have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I choose to use those contacts selectively, and professionally. Point in case - Can Nats 2009 - There was going to be 0 Prize support there. I worked with FFG to get Prize supported Overnighted to Can Nats. (Paying for it out of my own pocket.) Was it fantastic? No. Was it better then having nothing? Hells yeah.
• FFG Has actively stated they don't want to interact with their fans through the forums. They want to talk to you personally and directly via Email and phone. Many people seem to forget that.
• From time to time I can say what FFG can't / won't. Because I am not an FFG employee, I have some liberties to say things that professionally they can't. I am however privy to certain information either as a Rules Arbiter, or simply through my contacts in the industry. If you'd prefer, I can stop sharing the knowledge that I have.
• At the end of the day, if I have an issue, I work with FFG to get it resolved. Whether it's prize support for my players, product delays getting into the country, or what have you. Because of the respect I extend them, I have no complaints about how they have treated me. (Even from the first moment that they took over UFS, they have been fantastic in providing me information.) In kind, I will defend them, and give them the respect they have given me.

Regarding you "taking back everything you've said"

I don't want you to "take back everything you've said". I want you to be aware of what you're saying. I want you to be aware of your audience. The people reading your message is not FFG. It's new stores, new players, and returning players. If you are one of those three catagories, and you want to "play" UFS, would your actually drive these people to want to get involved with UFS? Would it sour people from even trying UFS?

At the end of the day, how you are choosing to handle the issue, is sabotaging your stated goal of having large player bases. Posting articles. Discussing decks and what works. Growing strategy behind the game - That grows the game. Outside of writing articles, I've gone so far as to pay people out of my own pocket to write articles. What are you doing? Complaining loudly, and massaging the message that you are sending to paint an inaccurate and poor light on FFG and UFS.

We all get that you aren't happy with Prize support. You've posted with great frequncy since returning to the game that you are unhappy with the prize support. Every time you post on the forums, you are told the same thing - CONTACT FFG. Instead of contacting FFG you wait a couple of week, and repost the same diatribe, sometimes using harsher language, sometimes not.

I don't need us to agree. I don't need to come to a mutal concensus.

I need you to focus your desire for change, and your desire for UFS's success in the right direction.

I need to get you on the same page as Darklogos, Viewtiful Joe, and even Shinji lately, who have all been posting intelligent discussion about UFS. Trying to grow the game.

The biggest thing that can help casual players - articles on how to deck build. Articles on how to play. *From my Experience* Casual players don't usually look at the prize support because usually I hear them saying "I can't win."

It's great that you miss the days of STG. FFG does not have the time and money to be able to provide that staffing Experience. The personal contact STG had is the single biggest mistake they made. It was not something that could be maintained. The only reason why they were able to provide the number of man hours in contact that they were, was because they were ramping down their product lines as a business. They had nothing else for their employees to do.

We have been asked... almost two years ago now... to let go of "how great the days of STG were."

Lets be realistic, memories embellish the good points. Lets think back to all of the complaints about how poor, inconsistent, yadda, yadda, yadda, the communication from STG was. Lets remember how many threads bitching because Steve was two weeks late with the SotG post. This isn't a new thing to FFG. This happened back at STG.

People bitched back then about how much of a sarcastic ******* Erik was. Sure... it was really great that he posted to the forums every now and then. Even though he generally ruffled peoples feathers and told them what they didn't want to hear.

At the end of the day, you are entitled to your opinions. You may also be surprised to know how I really feel about certain things. However, if you truly care about UFS, then you'll think about the message that you're sending when you post.

You'll think about how it impacts the board. The poison environment it creates that drives new, and existing players and stores from them. That same posion environment existed back in the days of STG. That same posion environment exists now.

Knowing that your posts on this forum about prize support do nothing to correct the issue - are you going to continue to post about it on a regular basis? Are you going to continue to work to create a poison envionment? Or are you going to do something else to help UFS?

If you have a retailer who feels that they are being undercut by the Holiday sale, please have them contact FFG.

Something FFG did last year, and I'm not spending the time to find the small print this year - is that retailers can contact FFG so they can arrange to sell the merchandise that they have on hand for the same prices as FFG.

If the retailer can unload their product at the same prices, and FFG is helping the retailer unload extra unwanted product - HOW IS FFG SCREWING THE RETAILER?

All the store has to do is call FFG.

Regarding Prize Support "Sucking":

Sure, Perfect memory may not be a fantastic card. But would you rather that or promo fish man? The players complained that prize support wasn't strong enough. They complained that prize support is too strong. In another thread you'll probably be complaining that Paid to Protect is too good. There is no win for FFG. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain.

RE: Worlds "Not being what they were."

2008 FFG was hamstrung, and restricted on the amount of space they had. It wasn't their choice. So they implemented the qualifier system. People were up in arms, and many people boycotted worlds because of that. FFG had no choice, and had to plan based on the previous years experience. They didn't know there was going to be the backlash that there was.

2009 - Steve booked the event, left it open for everyone, and ran it as they did. He wanted to see who would show up to Play UFS. He wanted to see what the true unabashed, non-bribed to come play version of the worlds looked like. He didn't like what he saw any more then you did. What did he do about it? He immediately announced rotation in an effort to try and make the game more accessible. To try and purge the negative environment from the game.

FFG took immediate action, good or bad.
The prize support was significantly improved this year over last year. We've already agreed on that. You still feel it's not good enough. That's cool. Steve has said that they are constantly working on fine tuning the prize support system. They haven't said that "this is the only way it's going to be."

Regarding Me "Always defending the Authorities."

• FFG does not actively participate in the boards. If someone does not post counterpoints, and try to illuminate and clarify the issues, and give both sides, it starts looking rather poor.
  
• Many folks approach me about how negative the boards seem. How they always seem to be "hating" on the game. If someone doesn't defend FFG, the boards continue to devolve. I love this game just like many of you. [i'm not going to try and get into a "who loves it more" debate, because that's completely unproductive.] My posting clarifying information is part of that love for this game.
  
• I have not posted that I agree, or disagree with you that the prize support is sufficient. Please go back and read my comments. No where have I said that prize support fantastic, and is exactly what it should be. I have provided factual statements, clarifying what is given away. Where even you (Shaneth in this instance) said "I am happy that my team got those binders, and in it fact skyrocketed our playgroup. "
  You were in fact happy with the prize support you personally received for 2009 Worlds!
  It's great that you are crusading for everyone. But when you got awesome prize support, and you're pretending you got crappy prize support, that really paints the wrong picture, and reflects on you poorly.
• I don't take my issues with FFG out on the forums. You have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I have ways of contacting Steve and James directly. I choose to use those contacts selectively, and professionally. Point in case - Can Nats 2009 - There was going to be 0 Prize support there. I worked with FFG to get Prize supported Overnighted to Can Nats. (Paying for it out of my own pocket.) Was it fantastic? No. Was it better then having nothing? Hells yeah.
• FFG Has actively stated they don't want to interact with their fans through the forums. They want to talk to you personally and directly via Email and phone. Many people seem to forget that.
• From time to time I can say what FFG can't / won't. Because I am not an FFG employee, I have some liberties to say things that professionally they can't. I am however privy to certain information either as a Rules Arbiter, or simply through my contacts in the industry. If you'd prefer, I can stop sharing the knowledge that I have.
• At the end of the day, if I have an issue, I work with FFG to get it resolved. Whether it's prize support for my players, product delays getting into the country, or what have you. Because of the respect I extend them, I have no complaints about how they have treated me. (Even from the first moment that they took over UFS, they have been fantastic in providing me information.) In kind, I will defend them, and give them the respect they have given me.

Regarding you "taking back everything you've said"

I don't want you to "take back everything you've said". I want you to be aware of what you're saying. I want you to be aware of your audience. The people reading your message is not FFG. It's new stores, new players, and returning players. If you are one of those three catagories, and you want to "play" UFS, would your actually drive these people to want to get involved with UFS? Would it sour people from even trying UFS?

At the end of the day, how you are choosing to handle the issue, is sabotaging your stated goal of having large player bases. Posting articles. Discussing decks and what works. Growing strategy behind the game - That grows the game. Outside of writing articles, I've gone so far as to pay people out of my own pocket to write articles. What are you doing? Complaining loudly, and massaging the message that you are sending to paint an inaccurate and poor light on FFG and UFS.

We all get that you aren't happy with Prize support. You've posted with great frequncy since returning to the game that you are unhappy with the prize support. Every time you post on the forums, you are told the same thing - CONTACT FFG. Instead of contacting FFG you wait a couple of week, and repost the same diatribe, sometimes using harsher language, sometimes not.

I don't need us to agree. I don't need to come to a mutal concensus.

I need you to focus your desire for change, and your desire for UFS's success in the right direction.

I need to get you on the same page as Darklogos, Viewtiful Joe, and even Shinji lately, who have all been posting intelligent discussion about UFS. Trying to grow the game.

The biggest thing that can help casual players - articles on how to deck build. Articles on how to play. *From my Experience* Casual players don't usually look at the prize support because usually I hear them saying "I can't win."

It's great that you miss the days of STG. FFG does not have the time and money to be able to provide that staffing Experience. The personal contact STG had is the single biggest mistake they made. It was not something that could be maintained. The only reason why they were able to provide the number of man hours in contact that they were, was because they were ramping down their product lines as a business. They had nothing else for their employees to do.

We have been asked... almost two years ago now... to let go of "how great the days of STG were."

Lets be realistic, memories embellish the good points. Lets think back to all of the complaints about how poor, inconsistent, yadda, yadda, yadda, the communication from STG was. Lets remember how many threads bitching because Steve was two weeks late with the SotG post. This isn't a new thing to FFG. This happened back at STG.

People bitched back then about how much of a sarcastic ******* Erik was. Sure... it was really great that he posted to the forums every now and then. Even though he generally ruffled peoples feathers and told them what they didn't want to hear.

At the end of the day, you are entitled to your opinions. You may also be surprised to know how I really feel about certain things. However, if you truly care about UFS, then you'll think about the message that you're sending when you post.

You'll think about how it impacts the board. The poison environment it creates that drives new, and existing players and stores from them. That same posion environment existed back in the days of STG. That same posion environment exists now.

Knowing that your posts on this forum about prize support do nothing to correct the issue - are you going to continue to post about it on a regular basis? Are you going to continue to work to create a poison envionment? Or are you going to do something else to help UFS?

The boards drive away such a small amount of players in this game it is such a small part of the problem. I dont want them to go and they are important in my opinion we need all the players possible for a more diverse playing field and environment.

There is a difference between "hating" and pointing out a negative aspect of the game or a problem that you see. Pointing out a problem that can be discussed and possibly fixed or not repeated in the future is positive. I hope you guys dont mean to just praise the game when there are obvious problems. Like symbol equality for example, there are very few competitive symbols in this game and its due to the extreme influx of fire on cards and other symbols not getting any real love.

number of cards total in sets before quest for souls = 486

air = 75

all = 103

chaos = 104

death = 134

earth = 126

evil = 92

fire = 161

good = 97

life 123

order = 58

void = 117

water = 62

7 of the 12 symbols have roughly a hundred cards or less. Water and Order have only had 3 characters. There is no reason for this concidering every symbol can be represented in every set and 3 can be repeated in every set. The lack of symbol equality narrows deck building and the environment.

The boards drive away such a small amount of players in this game it is such a small part of the problem. I dont want them to go and they are important in my opinion we need all the players possible for a more diverse playing field and environment.

There is a difference between "hating" and pointing out a negative aspect of the game or a problem that you see. Pointing out a problem that can be discussed and possibly fixed or not repeated in the future is positive. I hope you guys dont mean to just praise the game when there are obvious problems.

While that may be true. It seems a bad idea to design cards for the current environment and not the block you are working on. If the year is has a direction from the beginning it will make it easier to avoid this problem all together. I know the sets were designed to go together it still means that the sets were designed and completed with no regard to symbol equality for six months.

1.Enough with the doomsday thread

2. I was told to Shut the **** up.

Very few post acknowledged the points I tried to make or dispute them in anyway.

Order and Water have had three characters so far?

Order: Astrid, Hilde, Paul, Amy, Yoshimitsu
Water: Lu Chen, Yi Shan, Christie, Amy, Xianghua

And that's just the ones with SUPPORT, meaning there's 18x5=90 support cards with Order and the same for Water. JJ has Order, Jon Herr has Water. White Crane has Water. So does Padma.

I call bull. That, or you were looking at non-updated THD and got confuzzled.

I take your bull and raise you glasses.

I said before quest of souls

rulemonkey said:

So... Just to reiterate - you are ignoring completely how the sets are designed. How they were intended for release when they were designed.

And you are simply decrying that no matter what, there is symbol imbalance, and it's poorly designed because you say so.

You dont seem to understand that i would like there to be symbol balance in the game. It doesnt matter to me how that is done. The last block didnt have it and the block before that did not have it. Both of those blocks were designed the way the designer wanted to and they were not balanced. Did you think those blocks were balanced?

Antigoth said:

Yeah I figured someone would get the reference, especially since it was in the trailers.

::hatebeams:: I'm still borrowing one of my buddy's copy of the game. It's still $70 here. BTW - playing it on Brutal Difficulty = Brutal.

Everyone should go take a look at the Kingdom Hearts boards. They are complaining about the same things. They have no clue if the game will continue or not and they have got no official answer from anyone at FFG for months. They have no OP or any kind of prize support. Seems like a trend here.Although they obviously have it worse.

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=90&efcid=5&efidt=230403
http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=90&efcid=5&efidt=248064
http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=90&efcid=5&efidt=170559&efpag=0

And the last time I played a CCG and people thought the game was on the verge of dying and questioned if it was going to continue or not it was canceled out of the blue like 2 or 3 months latter. Despite the people saying "hey everything is fine stop with the Judgement Day threads". Well they were wrong.