I could definitely see a crew upgrade that penalised pilot skill in exchange for either negative points or some big benefit. It would be an interesting mechanic.

E: Interesting Mechanic: 2 points. -1 pilot skill, and all [hard turn] manoeuvres are green.

(The mechanic is distracting, but very good at their job)

In the case of Finn in the TIE with Poe, I do think that counts as a crew slot that reduces pilot skill value. There's certain levels of distracting that can definitely be a detriment.

Crew cards don't have pilot skill.

Why not? I could see a crew card that gave a ship a new PS number, say PS 5 or 6, to help out generics with crew slots.

But then they wouldn't BE Crew. They'd be pilots.PS is for the person flying the ship. If you're in a crew slot, you ain't flying the ship.

Except that PS is also used for shooting. So there's no reason to assume that some future crew card won't boost PS.

My best guess would be another pack liek Heroes of the Resistance with Ren's shuttle and the TIE/sf.

Though there's a rumour that the TIE /sf will just be a standalone ship in Wave 9 anyway. Maybe we find out today!

It has to be a separate ship. The SF TIE is not a unique ship so it doesn't need to be bundled with the new shuttle which is going to be huge.

My best guess would be another pack liek Heroes of the Resistance with Ren's shuttle and the TIE/sf.

There is NO way FFG will release a single, new, generic fighter with a large ship.

If a person wants to run a squad of four TIE/sf they would have to buy four copies of another ship that really seems too big for X-Wing's scale in the first place.

You can get away with those shenanigans including a ship with epic ships because they're existing ships that contribute new pilots and/or fixes and you can purchase more of the base ship independently.

I'm looking at the TIE/fo compared to the TIE/sf, and I think the most likely way that it will end up included would be as a TIE/fo only modification/title that adds a rear firing arc. Seems like the easiest way to go about it, maybe including one TIE/fo fighter with the upgrade cards along with another Ep. VII FO ship in a comparable box to the HotR kit.

Once again: this is a company that produced a completely new mould for the TFA falcon.

Like they're going to skip making a new mini for a ship that's much more visually different from its predecessor than the two falcon models.

Still, there was also the box for Scum starter, which just had repainted models for the Y-Wing and Z-95s. Both options would entirely be possible, though I'm expecting the TIE/sf to get kind of the Poe treatment that went on with the HotR pack, as opposed to the falcon. Sort of why I figured it'd be the secondary ship, with new upgrades, in a box that would probably have other new ship/ships. After all, we've got Reb/Imp aces already, as well as Imp vets in the pipe, which is just more repaints, not new models, coupled with new cards to bring things up to speed.

Just to be clear, you think that FFG will release the TIE/sf as a title for the TIE/FO Fighter instead of as a seperate model?

Honestly? People still think the SF is going to be a title? Really? That's like saying it's obvious that the T-70 should have been a title. Sorry folks but that just doesn't fly.

The SF will be its own pack. It's just a question of how long we have to wait to get our hands on them.

There is NO way FFG will release a single, new, generic fighter with a large ship.

If a person wants to run a squad of four TIE/sf they would have to buy four copies of another ship that really seems too big for X-Wing's scale in the first place.

Everyone KNEW standalone T-70 and TIE/fo expansions were coming, so it's not like people had to buy a bunch of core sets if they didn't want to.

The same would apply to the TIE/sf coming out with Ren's shuttle. Anyone with any common sense should know that there would be a TIE/sf expansion on the way as well, and not just buy 4 shuttles.

There is NO way FFG will release a single, new, generic fighter with a large ship.

If a person wants to run a squad of four TIE/sf they would have to buy four copies of another ship that really seems too big for X-Wing's scale in the first place.

I don't see how that's much different than the TFA core set.

Everyone KNEW standalone T-70 and TIE/fo expansions were coming, so it's not like people had to buy a bunch of core sets if they didn't want to.

The same would apply to the TIE/sf coming out with Ren's shuttle. Anyone with any common sense should know that there would be a TIE/sf expansion on the way as well, and not just buy 4 shuttles.

Are we sure we are even getting the Upsilon shuttle? It's nearly twice the size of the Lambda, and would be quite top heavy.

There is NO way FFG will release a single, new, generic fighter with a large ship.

If a person wants to run a squad of four TIE/sf they would have to buy four copies of another ship that really seems too big for X-Wing's scale in the first place.

I don't see how that's much different than the TFA core set.

Everyone KNEW standalone T-70 and TIE/fo expansions were coming, so it's not like people had to buy a bunch of core sets if they didn't want to.

The same would apply to the TIE/sf coming out with Ren's shuttle. Anyone with any common sense should know that there would be a TIE/sf expansion on the way as well, and not just buy 4 shuttles.

Are we sure we are even getting the Upsilon shuttle? It's nearly twice the size of the Lambda, and would be quite top heavy.

I'm still not entirely sure where everybody's getting this "Twice the size of the lambda" deal because it's really not that much bigger at all.

Hell the body is about the same size.

Still waiting for Attack Shuttle expansion.

25 pts and PS 4 base. All pilots get an EPT.

TIE F/O dial and stats with 1 extra shield plus the cannon and missile slots added.

Auxiliary firing arc just like the Firespray.

1pt title that lets you fire cannons and missiles from your auxiliary arc.

I'm looking at the TIE/fo compared to the TIE/sf, and I think the most likely way that it will end up included would be as a TIE/fo only modification/title that adds a rear firing arc. Seems like the easiest way to go about it, maybe including one TIE/fo fighter with the upgrade cards along with another Ep. VII FO ship in a comparable box to the HotR kit.

You have seen that almost EVERY other toy/model company has made TIE/SFs before or as wlll as the TIE/FO right?

It got quite a bit of screen time, heck they were some of the fighters in the Maz's temple scene. And the model would bequite a bit different, the cogs, the cockpit ball's aft window and side engines, not to mention the turret. Now I admit that the micromachine I have doesnt have the turret, and that is due to the placement of the hole for the stand, but that is a cheap plasic toy as opposed to the better made ones that FFG makes. It will have a turret just above the peg.

I absolutely do not get how are people still in the delusional thought process of the TIE/SF just being a title upgrade to the FO! It WILL BE ITS OWN MODEL, and will be its own expansion by itself.

It may also be in a First Order Box with the shuttle, or lander or something, but I am positive it will get its own clamshell pack.

I also think it will get a title, but for game purposes only, not a mere upgrade title to the FO.

Still waiting for Attack Shuttle expansion.

You misspelled "Gunboat," Grimmy! Though I too would like there to be a VCX's Attack Shuttle expansion, though I never see it happening.

I absolutely do not get how are people still in the delusional thought process of the TIE/SF just being a title upgrade to the FO! It WILL BE ITS OWN MODEL, and will be its own expansion by itself.

I think it's more wishful thinking than actual sincerely held belief.

My best guess would be another pack liek Heroes of the Resistance with Ren's shuttle and the TIE/sf.

Though there's a rumour that the TIE /sf will just be a standalone ship in Wave 9 anyway. Maybe we find out today!

It has to be a separate ship. The SF TIE is not a unique ship so it doesn't need to be bundled with the new shuttle which is going to be huge.

I'm not sure how FFG could make a comparable expansion to HOTR without Kylo's Shuttle and the "sf". What other ship would make a better fit?

I'm looking at the TIE/fo compared to the TIE/sf, and I think the most likely way that it will end up included would be as a TIE/fo only modification/title that adds a rear firing arc. Seems like the easiest way to go about it, maybe including one TIE/fo fighter with the upgrade cards along with another Ep. VII FO ship in a comparable box to the HotR kit.

Once again: this is a company that produced a completely new mould for the TFA falcon.

Like they're going to skip making a new mini for a ship that's much more visually different from its predecessor than the two falcon models.

Still, there was also the box for Scum starter, which just had repainted models for the Y-Wing and Z-95s. Both options would entirely be possible, though I'm expecting the TIE/sf to get kind of the Poe treatment that went on with the HotR pack, as opposed to the falcon. Sort of why I figured it'd be the secondary ship, with new upgrades, in a box that would probably have other new ship/ships. After all, we've got Reb/Imp aces already, as well as Imp vets in the pipe, which is just more repaints, not new models, coupled with new cards to bring things up to speed.

That's because a Z-95 and a Z-95 are both Z-95's, regardless of whether the pilot of the Z-95 is loyal to Mon Mothma or Prince Xixor. Similarly, a T-70 is a T-70 No matter what color you paint it.

A Tie/FO and a Tie/SF are D I F F E R E N T S H I P S.

You don't create an X-wing by making a Z-95 model and adding a title to give it X-wing stats. You make a new model with #$%$#% S-Foils. If there is one thing FFG has done 100% correctly with this game, it is the incredible attention to detail in their models. They aren't going to stop now when they have the opportunity to tie (pun unintended) into the hottest franchise in the world.

I will eat my shorts if the Tie/Sf doesn't get it's own model.

Yeah, I do think it will have its own expansion, and if it is a major ship in the next movie it will get a 2nd release in a First Order box....especially if the desigeners are trying o make the subfactions full on factions of their own, which looks to be a POSSIBLE case.

As for what would it be packaged with after its own single expansion:

Maybe the Storm Trooper drop ship/aka Higgins boat, because honestly, there isnt much place for it in Xwing....no real weapons, and no bording in Xwing, though it seems people keep bringing it up like they want it.

I think FFG might make it, becuse well, its in the new movie-there may be contractual obligations to make all predominant ships in them. And since it is kinda cool looking, so FFG might try and capitalize on that. I honestly like it MUCH better then Ren's Upsilon Shuttle.

Or some mething we havent seen yet that is in VIII, with pilots that might actually use the SF in VIII.

Hopefuly Phasma, at PS7 or so, she looks too cool to not finally do something, and we know she is confirmed to be in VIII.

I honestly think we'll get the SF lone expansion clamshell before VIII, and a 2nd one later one.

The drop ship's official name is "Atmospheric Assault Lander", indicating that it's not meant to be involved in space combat at all. So Kylo's Upsilon with its stupidly tall wings is much more likely to make it into the game.

People are still saying that the TIE/SF will just be an FO title?

Really?

Seriously?

People are STILL saying that!?

People are still saying that the TIE/SF will just be an FO title?

People are STILL saying that!?

The drop ship's official name is "Atmospheric Assault Lander", indicating that it's not meant to be involved in space combat at all. So Kylo's Upsilon with its stupidly tall wings is much more likely to make it into the game.

AAL? Is that the official accronym?

Kylo's Bat Shuttle will almost certainly be in the 'Champions of the First Order' box when it comes out, it's the most iconic ship they have. And the /SF. Maybe with a weird peg hat sticks out at 45 degrees to preserve the turret and the rear viewport.

Dunno if they can keep the cost down to 40 bucks like the Resistence set though. Hopefully.

Hopefully there'll be some canon content out by that point confirming Kylo Ren as a pilot (I mean, as Vader's grandson and a total Vader fanboy, surely he insists on flying his own fighter) and giving an idea of whether he lives up to the rest of his family skill-wise, so we don't end up with a repeat of the PS8 Poe and PS9 Poe situation. As well as hopefully we get some names of First Order pilots, so that the SF can have actual characters as its unique pilots instead of "(squadron) Leader" and "(squadron) Ace" like the FO got saddled with.

Hopefully there'll be some canon content out by that point confirming Kylo Ren as a pilot (I mean, as Vader's grandson and a total Vader fanboy, surely he insists on flying his own fighter) and giving an idea of whether he lives up to the rest of his family skill-wise, so we don't end up with a repeat of the PS8 Poe and PS9 Poe situation. As well as hopefully we get some names of First Order pilots, so that the SF can have actual characters as its unique pilots instead of "(squadron) Leader" and "(squadron) Ace" like the FO got saddled with.

I'll be irate if Kylo is PS7.

Hopefully there'll be some canon content out by that point confirming Kylo Ren as a pilot (I mean, as Vader's grandson and a total Vader fanboy, surely he insists on flying his own fighter) and giving an idea of whether he lives up to the rest of his family skill-wise, so we don't end up with a repeat of the PS8 Poe and PS9 Poe situation. As well as hopefully we get some names of First Order pilots, so that the SF can have actual characters as its unique pilots instead of "(squadron) Leader" and "(squadron) Ace" like the FO got saddled with.

I'll be irate if Kylo is PS7.

So will Kylo, after all being enraged is what he does best.

Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.