Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.
Too bad his granddad is already a fan of cutting up the ship he's on...
*spoilers* Special Forces TIE/sf is surely coming to X-wing, but how?
Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.
Too bad his granddad is already a fan of cutting up the ship he's on...
Yeah, unfortunately this was and could not be known when FFG designed the Vader crew card.
Kylo would have been better on that card. And Vader could have good some other cool ability, imho it is a bit stupid and suspending immersion, when the greatest and most iconic Star Wars villain (Vader) is just used as a throw away attachment on doom shuttles and the like. Too late....
Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.
Father, amazing pilot. Grandfather, amazing pilot. Uncle and mentor, decent pilot.
It's a fair bet he knows how to fly a ship.
I'm just saying that if he's worse than Rey it'll be really, really annoying.
He has Corellian blood, so PS8 at least. 
Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.
Father, amazing pilot. Grandfather, amazing pilot. Uncle and mentor, decent pilot.
It's a fair bet he knows how to fly a ship.
He's a whiny manchild who fails to emulate his heroes in every meaningful respect.
He's probably Arvel it into his own star destroyer if he tried.
He has Corellian blood, so PS8 at least.
Correllian AND Jedi heritage. He should be able to fly around all by himself just willing the other starfighters to blow up.
Given that Kylo hasn't been shown piloting... well anything... I hope he's just a crew card.
Father, amazing pilot. Grandfather, amazing pilot. Uncle and mentor, decent pilot.
It's a fair bet he knows how to fly a ship.
I'd rather wait till we actually see him in the pilot seat.
Lets just admit that TFA was not the greatest movie ever made.
If they can do the Ghost as a large ship, I definitely see the Upsilon getting the triple peg treatment as well.
Calling the SF as having a turret 2 attack, with a crew, turret upgrade, and systems (the new force awakens only upgrade? The name escapes me.)
Lets just admit that TFA was not the greatest movie ever made.
Okay sure but what's that gotta do with the topic?
Lets just admit that TFA was not the greatest movie ever made.
Fine, admitted. So what? The ships are still top-notch, and the TIE/sf is a **** fine piece of hardware.
So it's a model and a title. Porque no los dos? 
A PS9 TIE fighter! My prayers have been answered. Quickdraw looks pretty hot with the title. 4 attacks per round when he loses a shield and uses the title.
It's too expensive for what it does and less survivability too boot, very disappointed myself.
Considering one of the upgrades comes with the ship (sensor cluster?) says spend --- to change --- when defending, it may NOT be less survivability. My bet, it is spend a target lock.
The collision detection that lets a barrel roll colide, and possibly ignore damage from obstacles is a great upgrade as well.
I am sad there is no crew slot on the SF, as well as no missiles come with the vehicle. But, the title for 0 points tst lets you fire 3 attack forward or 2 forward AND 2 rear is great.
Is the PS 7 "Backstabber" maybe?
So the Title makes the turret work exactly how some of us wanted. It get's an Aux arc, and gets +1 attack when firing forward.
With the neat bonus that if you DON'T take the +1, you can shoot forwards and backwards in the same turn.
That said, unless one of the other upgrades does it, it doesn't look like we'll be able to fire the missile out of the turret.
Surprised that it's only 2 agility though.
Still, super glad it wasn't a Turret slot. TIE Aggressor still has a purpose.
Edited by DarthEnderXI'm struggling to see why you'd take the sf over the defender though similar price point but /D offers better damage with control, x7 offers far superior defence, and the white k turn equals if not tops the rear arc.
Considering one of the upgrades comes with the ship (sensor cluster?) says spend --- to change --- when defending, it may NOT be less survivability. My bet, it is spend a target lock.
The collision detection that lets a barrel roll colide, and possibly ignore damage from obstacles is a great upgrade as well.
I am sad there is no crew slot on the SF, as well as no missiles come with the vehicle. But, the title for 0 points tst lets you fire 3 attack forward or 2 forward AND 2 rear is great.
Is the PS 7 "Backstabber" maybe?
I was thinking the first upgrade you mentioned could be "Clutch Servo" .
I bet that Mag Pulse ordinance with come with Captain Phasma in the Champions of the First Order box expansion.
A Tie/FO and a Tie/SF are D I F F E R E N T S H I P S.
You don't create an X-wing by making a Z-95 model and adding a title to give it X-wing stats. You make a new model with #$%$#% S-Foils. If there is one thing FFG has done 100% correctly with this game, it is the incredible attention to detail in their models. They aren't going to stop now when they have the opportunity to tie (pun unintended) into the hottest franchise in the world.
I will eat my shorts if the Tie/Sf doesn't get it's own model.
So glad that I will not have to change my diet! 
Is the PS 7 "Backstabber" maybe?
Ship token (not the one on the stand) looks like "Backdraft"
TIE/sf is a must have. ARC is neat, (but pulling us in a dark direction . I think the Protectorate will be must-buy-for-playstyle for me...
...the Shadow Caster is too *%$^ Star Trek.
and I'm digressing from the discussion. Agreed, the 2 defense is a schooch dissapointing, but systems and tech upgrades on the same ship makes me smile.
Edited by juxstapoIt's too expensive for what it does and less survivability too boot, very disappointed myself.
Dude, why aren't you ever happy?
I'm struggling to see why you'd take the sf over the defender though similar price point but /D offers better damage with control, x7 offers far superior defence, and the white k turn equals if not tops the rear arc.
Because the TIE Defender ain't got two attacks in different directions the way the SF does.
And the TIE/SF doesn't have a similar price point to the Defenders. The PS 9 Ace costs 29 points so it's more similar to the X Wing...
And the TIE/SF doesn't have a similar price point to the Defenders. The PS 9 Ace costs 29 points so it's more similar to the X Wing...
That's before you add a sensor and an ept and maybe a mod or tech to try and extend its life.
By the end of all that you can get named defenders for the same price.
im not going to make assumptions about a ship we
- dont know the generic cost of
- have only seen one card from
- dont know the mods it comes with
- dont know what other new mods are being added at the same time as
because i think that makes you look like an idiot most of the time since your looking through a keyhole and thinking you see the whole room or some other metaphor or is it analogy i wasnt very good at english class which is why im pretty sure this is a run on sentence
I think Hobo just doesn't like the SF. He's this way about the FO too.
Check out what they have in common.