Edited by OneKelvinMinister Tua...? Space politician, non badass.
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STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!
Things:
1- Maybe laser is like kleenex. The company that made it was called Laser. Why? I'unno. Maybe they made lasers and then got into the directed energy weapon business. Thus, "laser." For something that is clearly not a LASER (caps not for emphasis, but because LASER is an acronym). Then when they made big versions, they called them, "turbolasers." But it was thousands of years ago and nobody remembers this.
2- Laserswords: Actually, at least in myth and legend, the weapons were made for the characters, not picked out of a box of trinkets. TCW did sort of take the middle way between the legendary swordsmith making a weapon for the warrior and the wizard crafting his own wand. It's probably safe to assume that Palpatine had someone else make his lightsaber(s) for him, as he wasn't exactly a guy who would have spent all that time building his own. Just like the craploads of Sith artifacts that he kept in the Chancellor's office. And then there is the fact that after losing his lightsaber in his duel with Yoda following Order 66, he's never seen with a lightsaber again (readers of Dark Lords correct me if I'm wrong), thus giving a possible indicator that the man who crafted Palpatine's lightsaber was corpsified and gross (because who would Palpatine want to know that he'd had them build a lightsaber?) and thus unavailable to craft a new one. And then Palpatine got into running the Empire and pretty obviously wouldn't want to be seen as weak by asking his apprentice to build him one.
Which leads to a sort of 2b: It seems that there is or should be, at the very least, a small factory manufacturing lightsabers for the Empire. The Inquisition clearly have mass-produced lightsabers.
My zwei P fennige .
They have written over and over again in every new and old source book that Lasers are Lasers, and or light energy. The pulse you see is just a byproduct of the actual laser beam.
Alternately if they wanted to change the lore abit they can easily have it that the lasers are hard light lasers bolts.
After leaving the gas, 75% of the hard-light stays as its new self. The creator plains to use hard-light as artistic building material after using it for its primary intended use.
Or they sieve the laser into a synthetic magnetic bottle to protect the laser from ecm, ecm is good enough to disrupt laser targeting systems on reb fighters, and better guide the bolt towards its target.
Ether way the write over and over again SW LASERs are not plasma. Blasters and lasers use the same sort of gas, which is super cool, not as in awesome, which would work with the hardlight laser bolt because the gas is super cool.
And crushing **** is hate, hate and the force are a bad combination.
Crushing is hate but slicing them in halves isn't?
They are not supposed to be slicing people in half.
The Lightsaber idea does require lots of suspended disbelief, unfortuantely.
If the Jedi are a police force, then pretty obviously they should be using non-lethal weapons (stunners, shock-prods, clubs) as opposed to maiming/decapacitating criminals. Even if you are an evil policeman, apprehending criminals mostly intact (for interrogation) is more effective than cutting them in half.
If the Jedi are a military force, lightsabers are ludicrously ineffective as a front-line weapons.
But the worst part is how easy it should be to counter the Jedi in the Clone wars. Close-combat specialists that can deflect some incoming projectiles? And they're a problem?
Solutions:
Projectile saturation: use shotguns and miniguns (up to 6000 rounds per minute) as opposed to blasters, which seem to have a poor rate of fire. A battle droid armed with two miniguns would fire 200 rounds per second, and even if the Jedi had the reflexes and speed necessary to block that volume of bullets, the strain of doing so would rip his muscles apart
High-explosive munitions: if the shrapnel doesn't kill them, the blast/heat wave will do the trick
Non-projectile weapons: Napalm sticks to Jedi, or at least can't be deflected with a sword. Flamethrowers (real ones, not the funky little gas-burners Bobba used), poisonous gas, radiation - most of the above would do.
They have many different types of lightsabres. The non-lethal ones that some jedi use are hardlight sabres, which is basically a giant glowing jack. They also have the ion kind which tasers most living things and kill robotic and some cyborgs.
Depending on the force users mastery, the tactics you brought up wont work.
They can use the force to stop all projectiles coming at them, Neo Matrix style, force shield, force deflect, force push variations, or force destruction would do the trick when it comes to defending against mass saturation. Force Destruction would also destroy the person/s doing the shooting.
Force shield and force deflect, some variations, would stop the high explosive from killing them, if they are a lightsider force will I believe, will protect them from extreme conditions of every kind, even leaking reactors. If they are sith they can use sheer hatred to stay alive. Vader and Sion were masters of this ability. Vader even survived a bomb like what your proposing.
Things:
1- Maybe laser is like kleenex. The company that made it was called Laser. Why? I'unno. Maybe they made lasers and then got into the directed energy weapon business. Thus, "laser." For something that is clearly not a LASER (caps not for emphasis, but because LASER is an acronym). Then when they made big versions, they called them, "turbolasers." But it was thousands of years ago and nobody remembers this.
2- Laserswords: Actually, at least in myth and legend, the weapons were made for the characters, not picked out of a box of trinkets. TCW did sort of take the middle way between the legendary swordsmith making a weapon for the warrior and the wizard crafting his own wand. It's probably safe to assume that Palpatine had someone else make his lightsaber(s) for him, as he wasn't exactly a guy who would have spent all that time building his own. Just like the craploads of Sith artifacts that he kept in the Chancellor's office. And then there is the fact that after losing his lightsaber in his duel with Yoda following Order 66, he's never seen with a lightsaber again (readers of Dark Lords correct me if I'm wrong), thus giving a possible indicator that the man who crafted Palpatine's lightsaber was corpsified and gross (because who would Palpatine want to know that he'd had them build a lightsaber?) and thus unavailable to craft a new one. And then Palpatine got into running the Empire and pretty obviously wouldn't want to be seen as weak by asking his apprentice to build him one.
Which leads to a sort of 2b: It seems that there is or should be, at the very least, a small factory manufacturing lightsabers for the Empire. The Inquisition clearly have mass-produced lightsabers.
My zwei P fennige .
They have written over and over again in every new and old source book that Lasers are Lasers, and or light energy. The pulse you see is just a byproduct of the actual laser beam.
Alternately if they wanted to change the lore abit they can easily have it that the lasers are hard light lasers bolts.
After leaving the gas, 75% of the hard-light stays as its new self. The creator plains to use hard-light as artistic building material after using it for its primary intended use.
Or they sieve the laser into a synthetic magnetic bottle to protect the laser from ecm, ecm is good enough to disrupt laser targeting systems on reb fighters, and better guide the bolt towards its target.
Ether way the write over and over again SW LASERs are not plasma. Blasters and lasers use the same sort of gas, which is super cool, not as in awesome, which would work with the hardlight laser bolt because the gas is super cool.
And crushing **** is hate, hate and the force are a bad combination.
Crushing is hate but slicing them in halves isn't?
They are not supposed to be slicing people in half.
The Lightsaber idea does require lots of suspended disbelief, unfortuantely.
If the Jedi are a police force, then pretty obviously they should be using non-lethal weapons (stunners, shock-prods, clubs) as opposed to maiming/decapacitating criminals. Even if you are an evil policeman, apprehending criminals mostly intact (for interrogation) is more effective than cutting them in half.
If the Jedi are a military force, lightsabers are ludicrously ineffective as a front-line weapons.
But the worst part is how easy it should be to counter the Jedi in the Clone wars. Close-combat specialists that can deflect some incoming projectiles? And they're a problem?
Solutions:
Projectile saturation: use shotguns and miniguns (up to 6000 rounds per minute) as opposed to blasters, which seem to have a poor rate of fire. A battle droid armed with two miniguns would fire 200 rounds per second, and even if the Jedi had the reflexes and speed necessary to block that volume of bullets, the strain of doing so would rip his muscles apart
High-explosive munitions: if the shrapnel doesn't kill them, the blast/heat wave will do the trick
Non-projectile weapons: Napalm sticks to Jedi, or at least can't be deflected with a sword. Flamethrowers (real ones, not the funky little gas-burners Bobba used), poisonous gas, radiation - most of the above would do.
They have many different types of lightsabres. The non-lethal ones that some jedi use are hardlight sabres, which is basically a giant glowing jack. They also have the ion kind which tasers most living things and kill robotic and some cyborgs.
Depending on the force users mastery, the tactics you brought up wont work.
They can use the force to stop all projectiles coming at them, Neo Matrix style, force shield, force deflect, force push variations, or force destruction would do the trick when it comes to defending against mass saturation. Force Destruction would also destroy the person/s doing the shooting.
Force shield and force deflect, some variations, would stop the high explosive from killing them, if they are a lightsider force will I believe, will protect them from extreme conditions of every kind, even leaking reactors. If they are sith they can use sheer hatred to stay alive. Vader and Sion were masters of this ability. Vader even survived a bomb like what your proposing.
Behold! Cartoons!
Is it called hard light because it's, well, hard to buy?
So, about Rebels itself.
That was a solid episode. Also, the Shadowcast is a badass starship... And clearly a product of Koensayr.
Behold! Cartoons!
Is it called hard light because it's, well, hard to buy?
When did Arnold Rimmer become a Star Wars character?
Whoa hold on who said Lightsabers were hard light? They most certainly are not..!
Thrawn did it in a couple days, and even added cloaking devices. So... cheaper than Nukes.
Thrawn didn't actually toss the rocks at the planet, just left them in orbit.
(Thrawn's plan also didn't make much sense when you think about it; a few dozen cloaked asteroids cover so little of the space around a planet that the odds of hitting one on the way in or out are astronomically low.)
You mean kinda' like the imperial blockade at Hoth?
You can move a ship to intercept. It's not random chance like the cloaked asteroids.
Also, the Rebel ships all had to leave from one location, so their vector was pretty easy to intercept.
Thrawn's plan was not to ACTUALLY blockde the planet, but to make the rebels THINK he did.
He had only a dozen or so rocks, but fed garbage data that suggested thousands.
You're probably right, it's been a while since I read the book.
Edited by WingedSpider
I feel like the flame thrower one at least shouldn't have worked. It's a cloud of burning gas, there's nothing to Force Push against.Behold! Cartoons!
Au' contraire, mon ami présomptueux: the gas is no harder to push than the air that surrounds it; as easy to deflect as a gust of wind.
(Push the cloud my friend.)
the gas is no harder to push than the air that surrounds it
The force is will made manifest. Limitations exist only in the mind of the skeptic.
Purple eyes and a Mohawk. Rebels is representing women for sure! I wonder if we'll ever see a woman who is dainty and/or demure. I mean, in the interests of diversity, are there any women in this universe who aren't badasses?
ROTS Padme.
Alright guys, I have a theory, a Star Wars Rebels theory!
so there is this one Imperial officer guy (pic below) who is in a TON of episodes.
This guy right here!
I figured he just made his way around, until last night's episode.
I don't have a picture, but on the bridge of one of the cruisers, there were four of this guy! they all looked the same!
do you think they are clones? it would make sense, because unlike troopers, they would'nt need much training for these simple jobs.
Animation models are expensive. There is a reason they keep the upper half of their faces in the shadow of their caps.
This is probably 99.9% of the reason why the bad guys are inept Stormtroopers instead of inept Imperial Army troopers (green guys in funny battle hats).
So...impossible for a person to do with kinetic force then, which is all a Force Push is.the gas is no harder to push than the air that surrounds it
I seem to recall Ahsoka Force Push ing air tinged with the blue shadow virus in TCW.
Edited by Vigil
Thrawn did it in a couple days, and even added cloaking devices. So... cheaper than Nukes.
Thrawn didn't actually toss the rocks at the planet, just left them in orbit.
Visceroth, you might be thinking of the Expanse series...
So...impossible for a person to do with kinetic force then, which is all a Force Push is.the gas is no harder to push than the air that surrounds it
No! Not impossible! Only impossible in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.
The force is will made manifest. Limitations exist only in the mind of the skeptic.
Yes, yes! To Wilheim you listen.
(Heh. Ronto meat.)
Edited by OneKelvinYou guys spend alot of screen space on border line to strictly not Rebels conversation you know that right? It's unfortunately not very becoming to be this far off topic for this long. Would you please consider moving some of your conversation to private message or new threads? You'll have more interested people to discuss all these matters with in a thread of your creation that is titled to reflect the topic and all.
So was this new bounty hunter ship a scurg bomber? Or was it new?
Edited by ForceSensitive^wow.
New ship, the trailer angle is practically the only one where it bears a passing resemblance to the Scurrg.
So, here's what I don't get.
Chopper sabotages her laser turret.
But what about all the guns on the front of the ship? Why couldn't she just use those?
Anyway, Databank entry for the Shadow Caster . Doesn't say what class of ship it is unfortunately.
You guys spend alot of screen space on border line to strictly not Rebels conversation you know that right? It's unfortunately not very becoming to be this far off topic for this long. Would you please consider moving some of your conversation to private message or new threads? You'll have more interested people to discuss all these matters with in a thread of your creation that is titled to reflect the topic and all.
God, thank you.
Thank you for saying it.
^wow.
New ship, the trailer angle is practically the only one where it bears a passing resemblance to the Scurrg.
Well whatever the hell it is, it sure is a Koensayr product.
Purple eyes and a Mohawk. Rebels is representing women for sure! I wonder if we'll ever see a woman who is dainty and/or demure. I mean, in the interests of diversity, are there any women in this universe who aren't badasses?
Arhinda Pryce? She managed to last a season.
Thrawn did it in a couple days, and even added cloaking devices. So... cheaper than Nukes.
Thrawn didn't actually toss the rocks at the planet, just left them in orbit.
Visceroth, you might be thinking of the Expanse series...
Asteroids are pretty much useless as military weapons. They're dust and rubble piles - push them too hard and they just break up. Even if you wrap it in a baggie, the enemy can intercept with a kinetic round and simply blow it to bits. Plus, orbital mechanics is an uncooperative beast. They don't just hang around above the planet waiting to be nudged out of place. You have to apply the right delta V increments at precisely the right point in the orbit. The enemy knows the orbit of every asteroid in their star system - they'll preemptively nudge or destroy the useful ones. Rather put the fusion fuel in a
Rather take the deuterium you would have burned, chuck it in fuel tank and zap with lasers*. There you go, big explosion.
*Ignoring several important steps
Anyone else see the nod to black sun armour design from SW Galaxies? I really liked that.
Shadow caster is a smexy ship, Loved Gonk.Stormtroopers with their "don't do it.." attitude coming across as a bit too goodygoody.
Or you could send a mile long starship into the planet's surface at high relativistic speeds. A bit wasteful and its a 'scorched' earth tactic, but in a galaxy where who knows how much time and resources are wasted to build a battle station that can blow up planets in one shot I would say it's a bargain.
Also, we still don't understand asteroids as well as we should. Some appear to be loosely packed while others may be almost solid iron/nickel. Asteroids can be surprisingly diverse. And in a galaxy where they can build all many of things,why would you ever try to crash an asteroid into a planet in the same system? Strap a cheap one way 'over clocked' hyperdrive to it.
Mass Drivers? But there are laws.... treaties!
So, I noticed something on the last episode.
We can infer some things about the Stormtroopers.
A: They either have rules or moral standpoints about shooting first. They went purely to capture without any standing orders to do so, even though they for some reason didn't just stun.
They aren't the "they didn't listen, leave the burning corpses" fellows from Tattooine.
Now, I know Rebels is a kids show so killing be bad, but trying to justify it.