This regrettably means:

TIE's do not have targeting computers.

Stormtroopers are bloody useless.

TIE Pilots are equally useless. (AHA, NOT ANYMORE - THANKS B-WING EPISODE!!!)

TIE Pilots carry E-11s as side arms (actually AWESOEM!!!11eleven)

XQ platforms are firmly canon. (also awesome!)

Random space Aladdins have the force. - This is bad because of the sheer amount of jedi/force users that cropped up in the EU(set in the Empire era) It was tired the first time, i hope they don't overtire it again.

TIE Fighters explode really prettily now.

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Just another chacteristic to point out, interceptors cannons are never shown firing as fast as other tie weapons, and their beams/ bolts tend to be longer.

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Battlefront 2. As canon as other sources you have posted. TIE Fighter (and the xwing series in general). As canon as other sources you have posted, including TIE Fighters bloody game guide. In TIE Fighter, there is a laser fire rate which is really adjusted by if you single, dual or quad fire. Interceptors fire rapidly when single fire cycling, and still fast enough at quad. I've used quadlaser to mess up A-wings many, many many times. I was probably doing this before you were born.

The game mechanics for the cannons are pretty closevto canon in tie fighter but not 100% swbf game mechanics barely stay true to cannon since they made their own class system for vehicles.

Also they showed in ultimate star wars tie pilots are equipped just as they are in the stele chronicles, it also mentions that pilots at the time of rebels are in bad shape because of lack of conflict. They are better trained than most reb pilots.

The ace in that b-wing story 8 posted a link to has killed countless rebs.

Off-topic, but I have no idea why this character, played by a woman, had her voice dubbed over by a man.

Apparently George didn't think people would react well to a woman pilot getting killed.

Logical, remember that the movies are products of their time.

Off-topic, but I have no idea why this character, played by a woman, had her voice dubbed over by a man.

Apparently George didn't think people would react well to a woman pilot getting killed.

Doubt that's the case when this is the same movie where Oola got dropped in the Rancor pit.

Looking online, it seems like nobody actually knows why.

Oola wouldn't work as a man, and shows "OMG HOW HORRIFFIC IS THIS CRIMELORD". In the early 80s, I can see "OMG THEY LET A WOMAN FLY INTO BATTLE AND SHE DIED, HOW IRRESPONSIBLE/TRAGIC!!!".

Products of their times.

Don't think that's the case when this is the same movie where Oola got dropped in the Rancor pit.

Looking online, it seems like nobody actually knows why.

Oola wouldn't work as a man, and shows "OMG HOW HORRIFFIC IS THIS CRIMELORD". In the early 80s, I can see "OMG THEY LET A WOMAN FLY INTO BATTLE AND SHE DIED, HOW IRRESPONSIBLE/TRAGIC!!!".

Products of their times.

Pff, even for the early 80s that's pushing it.

Oola wouldn't work as a man, and shows "OMG HOW HORRIFFIC IS THIS CRIMELORD". In the early 80s, I can see "OMG THEY LET A WOMAN FLY INTO BATTLE AND SHE DIED, HOW IRRESPONSIBLE/TRAGIC!!!".

Products of their times.

Pff, even for the early 80s that's pushing it.

It's pushing it, but I don't think it's pushing it as far as you think.

Star Wars was ahead of it's time when it came to women. The idea that in the late 70's a woman could be a warrior and show up the guys in a firefight was not typical.

Reminder that Alien came out in '79.

Reminder that Alien came out in '79.

And it too was breaking the stereotypes of the time. Although Ripley wasn't the same type of character as Leia was. She was more or less forced to become a warrior, as opposed to how Leia takes charge in the escape from the DS.

Which doesn't take anything away from Ripley, she too was breaking the mold of women characters.

I think it was just a screwup by the audio engineer. Massive portions of Endor were cut, nust have been a nightmare keeping track.

BKL, I actually admire your dedication and passion.

But really you and those arguing with you about what is and isnt canon for page after page after page after page after page (you get the drift) is boring as hell. I'm fed up of scrolling though masses of hot air to get to a post about Rebels. Ya know, the topic of the thread.

It may all have started in relation to posts about Rebels but its on such a massive tangent now I feel like I'm back doing Trigonometry.

Can we all please just drop it and talk about the show now?

Wait, what show?

Wait, what show?

Um I was wondering if they will be fixing the rules on the B-Wing based on the new prototype version on Rebels? That thing kicked butt! I want that upgrade card!

Which one? B-Wing/E2 with Gunner, or Heavy Laser Cannon?

If you look at the cross-section below, this is way smaller than what you see onscreen in RoTJ. (Where do the pilot's legs even go?)

The pilot's foot is clearly visible in the cutaway, in the section just forward of where the pilot's hand is visible, which is just down and right from the pilot's head in the cutaway picture.

They are also not canon, period. Even in the days of the various canon tiers, the game's story line was considered semi-canon, but the mechanics never was.

XQ platforms are firmly canon. (also awesome!)

XQ platforms are firmly canon. (also awesome!)

Whoa, when was this?

There is a magazine about rebels that comes out in the UK once a month, featuring an okay comic about the show.

The platform featured prominently in the first issue.

Nice.

Probably I sound like a broken record, but the same thing I said about hyperdrives behaving no more and no less like plot devices, you can say the same about how cannons or shields work in Star Wars.

This goes for you, Black Knight Leader.

Most of the time, in the movies or in the series, when a ship is pictured getting hit, it blows up like if it were made out of balsa wood and filled with gasoline. In those moments, it feels like ships can only sustain one hit, then they explode in a fireball.

For example, in the Death Star trench run, whenever a rebel fighter is pictured being hit, it blows up (except for Wedge and Luke). We don't get to see the shields absorbing the blast or anything. In this case, ships behave like movie planes. One hit and bang!

Fewer times, when it is main characters sitting on the ship, when the ship is hit we get see a more realistic way of going down, similar to how it would behave if it were an Earth spaceship. It smokes, it spins a little bit, then it crashes against the floor or another ship, many red-shirts die in the crash, but the heroes walk out of the wreck. Still, in this kind of scene, ships seem to lack any kind of shielding or armor. It is "We are hit!" and they go down. But at least no fireball explosion here. We never see them being hit before, and their shields absorbing the blast. They are just apparently avoiding all incoming fire, or the enemy's blasts seem to just miss or explode nearby. We can see this in many instances, but clearly in the Clone Wars series.

Then finally, there is a third kind of scene, were the heroes (and the script writer) remember that they actually have energy shields and everything behaves like in the X-Wing PC game series. They seem to fly around being hit many times without any major worry. We can see that in the fight between Jango Fett and Obi-Wan at the Genonosian asteroid belt. Jango is basically hitting Obi-Wan all the time with his cannon, and we can see blue sparks whenever a laser blast hits Kenobi's shields. This happens all the time to the Ghost in Rebels. Hera is being hit basically the whole fight and we see the blue shield sparks coming out from the blasts.

Curiously, in the same scene where Vader shoots at a gasoline-filled-balsa-wood-corvette, he shoots at the heavy plot-shielded Ghost.

Do you get my point? This is no sci-fi. There is no point of discussing such fine details like which caliber a TIE Interceptor has compared with a TIE Advanced, because all of that changes on the fly as the story needs. This is not a story created around the facts. Star Wars technical mumbo-jumbo and cross-section books are facts made up around a story. If the story needs to be different, so will be the mumbo-jumbo.

This applies to everything. Lightsabers, hyperspace, the Force, ... everything!

What fuel do starships use in Star Wars? In the old times, they had fusion reactors, and the tubes that we saw plugged onto the X-Wings and Y-Wings in the base on Yavin IV were just coolant fluids. Then in Rebels, the Phantom actually has liquid fuel that can leak, so they no longer use fusion reactors, then?

When the plot isn't about what fuel a ship needs to fly, then it doesn't matter. It has virtually an infinite amount of energy to cross the galaxy there and back, because the story is about something else. Then it is fusion reactor. Something that never runs out and gives tons of energy.

When the plot is about the ship getting stranded on a place and the writers need to find out half a reason to support that, then ships use liquid fuels that need replenish and can leak thru a cracked tank.

This is as simple as that, people.

If you look at the cross-section below, this is way smaller than what you see onscreen in RoTJ. (Where do the pilot's legs even go?)

The pilot's foot is clearly visible in the cutaway, in the section just forward of where the pilot's hand is visible, which is just down and right from the pilot's head in the cutaway picture.

Owwwwww that is a tight fit. That's worse than a Mercury - more like an F1. But, it's just a non-canon cutaway now.

The A-Wing is definitely just a little bigger than that.

Azrapse makes a very good statement. The Star Wars universe has always laid the science of why things work aside to favor the theatrics. We get enough to know a little about why things work, but we're not supposed to obsess over the detail and apply physics to these things. It's enough to know that Lightsabers need special crystals to help focus the blade.

For a land where number-crunching is the norm, go to Star Trek. Next Generation hired technical consultants to give Geordi some official-sounding gobbledygook to feed that fanbase and it's endless speculations on the science of Star Trek. It's no more legit than Star Wars, but the Star Trek fanbase is more accepting of that.

...anyway...

Not a fan of the B-Wing superlaser honestly (since I'm wondering why we didn't have that option when we were flying them in the flight sims). I realize that they needed to show something flashy and showy to make the B-Wing's first combat appearance very significant, but I kind of wish they opened up with the huge array of weapons the B-Wing carries. Like pitting an enormous cloud of TIE Fighters against the single B-Wing and then watch as the autoblasters cut loose and that entire squadron vanishes in one pass. Then the protons open up and suddenly the Empire is dealing with rebels firing torpedo ordinance they didn't have equipped before.

Kallus is forced to retreat or lose his entire picket squadron to an unknown heavy fighter the Rebels scared up and Imperial Intelligence didn't foresee. But reporting to Lord Vader about this new weapon the Empire decides to up the stakes and, surprise! Deploys the Immobilizer 418 early, along with new TIE Bombers (we didn't see these yet, but they could debut).

Still, my head cannon believes that the Superlaser took up too much power and they had to balance it with the hyperdrive. So off it went, a standard heavy laser cannon was installed for the production version, and we ended up with the B-Wing we more or less had from the expanded universe. Any Superlaser-touting B-Wings can be passed off as a limited production version, about as common as the old B-Wing/E.

For the rest of the episode... it was very pleasing to see Project Shantipole referenced for the B-Wing. It's little touches and re-interpretations like these that make the "new" expanded universe of Star Wars interesting.

Like pitting an enormous cloud of TIE Fighters against the single B-Wing and then watch as the autoblasters cut loose and that entire squadron vanishes in one pass. Then the protons open up and suddenly the Empire is dealing with rebels firing torpedo ordinance they didn't have equipped before.

Phoenix Squadron only has A-Wings, that means no torpedo launchers. A B-Wing prototype firing proton torpedoes could have provided the needed firepower upgrade needed to break through the blockade, without making up a new weapon that logically should have appeared before now, but hasn't.

If it were up to me, the B-Wing would have come in, flown between two of the cruisers, and used it's torpedoes to take out the turbolaser turrets on one side of each cruiser, allowing the Ghosts to fly between them without taking fire.

A starfighter stripping off some of the armament of a couple cruisers really quickly would have been a lot less ridiculous than a starfighter taking out an entire cruiser in one pass.

That said, again, none of that is relevant if the new weapon was actually the ion cannons, and the cruiser was merely disabled.