Maybe this is the proto, and Ackbar helped redesign the production model?

That rebel cell seems quite fond of using corelian corvettes, so I wouldn't be surprised that the corvette named Shantipole that gave name to the research project is one of those.

Shantipole was actually the planet where Quarrie built the B-wing.

Good episode, as I said before I like seeing Hera get some focus and her new position as Phoenix Leader could lead to some great things. Love seeing the B-Wing prototype in action. Forget what Quarrie said, I now totally want a red B-Wing repaint.

Granted, this is a prototype and a production model would be different, but the new lore and the old seems very contradictory concerning the speed and manoeuvreability of the craft.

I think, as far as Hera's reaction is concerned at least, she normally flies a freighter. So, by comparison, the B-Wing seems fast and maneuverable to her.

And even setting that aside, B-Wings were considered pretty agile...for a heavy fighter. Certainly moreso than the Y-Wing.

Also, B-Wings can barrel roll . They might not have the best dial, but they're agile in their own way.

I love that they kept the name of the B-Wing development project as Project Shantipole. What a nice bow to the veteran X-Wing PC game.

Not just the PC game, but the West End Games RPG long before that.

...for those of us who watching 'Rebels' every week marvel at how much like the old WEG RPG the show feels like...this was just icing on the cake.

Have to agree with the RPG feeling the show has. It feels to me as if the writers were using their game sessions to write the scripts for the show.

I like to think the laser we saw the Bwing shoot with was either "Linked Lasers" to an extreme degree or another form of Heavy Laser cannon. Now when the rebellion put it in mass production, you couldn't spend 7 points on all your Bwings, it would over-price the list even in Epic. However, I think Ten Numb worked out how to tweak his power output to keep some of the effects, explaining the uncancellable crit.

I love that they kept the name of the B-Wing development project as Project Shantipole. What a nice bow to the veteran X-Wing PC game.

Not just the PC game, but the West End Games RPG long ...for those of us who watching 'Rebels' every week marvel at how much like the old WEG RPG the show feels like...this was just icing on the cake.

Have to agree with the RPG feeling the show has. It feels to me as if the writers were using their game sessions to write the scripts for the show.

It's funny you say that, because if you watch Episode 1, you realized how much the movie seems like a RPG that the players took and went WAY off the rails.

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The only difference is that the mon calamari designer isn't Ackbar. But he couldn't be anyway in this timeline, because Ackbar joined the Alliance much later, when he was rescued from being a servant of Tarkin.

Ummm.. Nothing in the new Canon, as far as I've read, had Captain Ackbar as Tarkin's slave - that is the old fiction. Ackbar was a tutor of sorts to LeeCharr on MonCala, and probably worked his way up to Admiral in the 20 years between the clone wars and when he shows up in the Canon, just after Yavin

Canon Cannon

Cannon upgrade

3 attack

Range 1-2

If this attack hits, cancel all die results. Then choose an upgrade card attached to the defending ship that depicts non-canon material and discard it. Your opponent may choose an upgrade card of the same category costing equal or fewer points from outside the game that depicts canon material and equip it to that ship.

5 points

Incomming new B-Wing title: Prototype Blade Wing - Increase attack value by 4. After you fire, you can no longer move.

Experimental Point Singularity Cannon

B-Wing Only - Cannon

Range: 1-2

Attack: 5

Attack: Discard this card to attack 1 ship. Then receive 1 Ion token and 1 stress token.

After performing this attack you may change all of your blank results to [Hit] results.

This card would probably have to cost 12 points, since it would practically one-shot something like an X-Wing or a TIE Fighter. But the Ion and stress tokens would definitely mimic a loss of control on a craft.

This might be the best idea yet. I'm not sure it's worth a full 12 points though. Maybe cheaper. Would have to playtest it a bunch. Still, very solid idea here.

Also "Quarrie" was such a nice nod. This show is a virtual masterpiece.

No verpine appears in this chapter, but basically they just recruited the original moncalamarian designer, that seems ready to re-desing the prototype into the production model we know.

That rebel cell seems quite fond of using corelian corvettes, so I wouldn't be surprised that the corvette named Shantipole that gave name to the research project is one of those.

That leaves it open for the designer to use the verpine from Roche to manufacture the Blade-Wings. They don't seem to be rewriting the canon that much.

The only difference is that the mon calamari designer isn't Ackbar. But he couldn't be anyway in this timeline, because Ackbar joined the Alliance much later, when he was rescued from being a servant of Tarkin.

Yeah like I mentioned in the EOE board topic I was disapointed that Ackbar lost his designer slot. Also am I the only one who sees a Mon Calamari named Quarrie and wonders why his parents named him after a likely anti-Quarren racial slur?

I know why the name was picked IRL but why a Mon Calamari character? If they want to honor McQuarrie why not just bring in the rebel character he played in his ESB cameo?

12 points its too much for what its practically a ordnance.

Bytheway, did anybody noticed the Rocketeer style of music while testing the new ship?

Fantastic episode. Loved the retention of references to the EU elements and WEG origins for the B-wing, plus the reverse-Dagger Squadron graphics. It's my favorite Rebels episode thus far!

Great sound design in this series, too.

Now ... does anyone want to run an Epic scenario where the Ghost, a Corvette, some A-wings and a B-Wing take on a Raider, a Gozanti, and some TIE Fighters?

I need to get more Blue A-wings. And perhaps repaint my corvette. Because I am super down for that.

Great episode!!!

Of Note: TIE's shot something down without help.

Imperial gunners fragged a vette.

Homage to the X-wing games series, with the phantom dock-carrying the B-wing.

B-wing's hyperdrive wasn't fried, it was switched to the Phantom.

Flying into atmosphere requires a gentle angle, so more time in atmosphere. flying out they could go right up. Also possible: The engineer knew an escape vector.

The B-Wings hyperdrive was fried when Hera fired the multibeam.Quarris said he installed the B Wings back up on the Phantom because he hated seeing a ship with out a hyperdrive.

Bytheway, did anybody noticed the Rocketeer style of music while testing the new ship?

The soundtrack has been fantastic this season.

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Flying into atmosphere requires a gentle angle, so more time in atmosphere. flying out they could go right up. Also possible: The engineer knew an escape vector.

I think Quarris said "If it can fly here it can fly anywhere" of his ship. Doesn't take much of a leap to think that while already modifying the Phantom he'd allow it to leave his planet the same way his can.

So there scenes were these Inquisitors have their Lightsabres spinning, and they have the blades clash an enemies blade? Excluding the two Rebel Movies and scenes from episodes people felt the need to upload because they thought they were "cool," I haven't seen much of the show, but in all the stuff I have seen I have never seen what you are describing.

I don't mind them. They're kind of a symbol of the Inquisitorius. I imagine the lightsabers are for use against Jedi only. They'd need them when taking down lightsaber-wielding Jedi, and the spinning gives them an advantage in combat, as the only Jedi that fought Darth Maul (who was the only person to publicly use a double-bladed saber for a long time at that point) were either dead or in hiding.

I'd rather they use vibroblades made of phrik or cortosis, but Lucas put the kibosh on that idea when he made them switch to the darksaber. If I never see that horrible idea again, it'll be too soon.

These guys are expected to fight more than just Jedi, their are lots and lots of other Force User groups out there. Wardens of the Sky would shatter these Inquisitors, that's not a bad thing going by the lore it just gives another reason to show off the Inquisitorium Dark Troopers.

So there scenes were these Inquisitors have their Lightsabres spinning, and they have the blades clash an enemies blade? Excluding the two Rebel Movies and scenes from episodes people felt the need to upload because they thought they were "cool," I haven't seen much of the show, but in all the stuff I have seen I have never seen what you are describing.

You like swords... Real fighters use Morning Stars or Lances

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And remember, swords are sidearms.

It'd be silly if a soldier chose a pistol as his main rather than an automatic rifle, just as it's be silly if a fighter opted for a sword over a spear on the battlefield.

But as the term sidearm implies, you can carry a sword or pistol around with you all the time; I'd like to see you try the same with a lance or rocket launcher under your arm.

Sorry but I hate Rebels, the first movie was ok, they did show elite IMPs being dangerous towards the main characters, but as the series went on they decided to make it a point in having the IMPs die and or lose in humiliating ways that makes them lose their credibility at being dangerous, at least in this era... The comics somewhat make them better except Vader... Last I saw, Space Atheists were screwing with his head. They may not be atheist but is freaking stupid that these characters are making Vader question his force abilities.

The only thing good so far that I have seen is a Woman that looks like a womanised Vader, some IMP Army Drivers that actually held off the main characters for a good while, on TIE Pilot bullseyeing a main character with one shot while they were on a Speeder. I heard there TIE Punisher in the series, this is mixed for me since I love them, but odds are the main characters looked at them and the TIE Punishers exploded. Maybe not that bad but whatever it was that destroys them was probably something humiliating that other fandoms will use in vs Battles to prove that the GE is the weakest faction ever :/

They need to make the series show that the IMPs actually are good at fighting... Having Proto Alliance factions beat them so easily also cheapens their victories. They need to also have expendable Main characters in the show, which will help make it look like they characters are having a major struggle to win fights against the empire.

Of course the Lance is going to be under my arm... The support will help me hold it and the "Horse" I would naturally have will help me slam my Lance into the poor souls that are against me.

If all else fails then I will use the Morning Star, preferably a Morning Star ball and chain Flail. Bashing and Pulverizing is more fun than cutting. At least to me.

I heard there TIE Punisher in the series, this is mixed for me since I love them, but odds are the main characters looked at them and the TIE Punishers exploded.

Nope, not sure where you heard that but the TIE Punisher hasn't appeared in Rebels. You might have gotten confused with the Interdictor class Star Destroyer that will be appearing later on in season 2.

They need to make the series show that the IMPs actually are good at fighting... Having Proto Alliance factions beat them so easily also cheapens their victories. They need to also have expendable Main characters in the show, which will help make it look like they characters are having a major struggle to win fights against the empire.

Easily? Vader kicked their butts in the Siege of Lothal and Kallus's blockade took down a CR-90.

No main characters have died yet, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I feel main character death should be a big event. My favorite character death from a cartoon is probably Dinobot from Beast Wars, because his death marked the perfect end of a character arc that was built up over many episodes. I don't feel anyone in the series besides maybe Kanan has had the necessary time to grow before kicking the bucket.

Nice episode we got some focus on Hera wich IMO is a really cool character. We also got too see a B-wing in action wich was pretty interesting since you barely see them doing many manouvers in rotj.

I did not like the hyper beam thing though, I rather it just be armed with a bunch of canons and blasters but yeah sure it's a prototype and a kids show so I'm ok with it.

Well being a prototype, I think for mass production Quarrie would have to change things. So maybe it turns out too expensive and unmanageable to build them all with the super-cannon and the gunner position (in a diff place then the E2 upgrade, we've never seen a B-Wing with a gunner seat at the other end before)

Plus yes, it SEEMED more maneuverable, but that's only because we've never actually seen a B on screen doing stuff apart from flying towards a death star. It definitely isn't as fast or maneuverable on the show as the As, or the TIE fighters or Advance. Vader literally spun on a dime and started flying backwards.

When she flew up in the air, then flipped and came back down I totally saw that as the B's 2-K Plus, game balance > looking cool for a TV show.

They released a short story on starwars.com where a B-Wing ace does a loop causing an Interceptor to overshot. The b-wing pretty much stayed on the same flight path before doing a loop. Right when he has him in his sights, which was the underside, he killed the Interceptor.

They have shown a couple times now that SW fighters can change how they travel through space with a flip of a switch, literally.

No verpine appears in this chapter, but basically they just recruited the original moncalamarian designer, that seems ready to re-desing the prototype into the production model we know.

That rebel cell seems quite fond of using corelian corvettes, so I wouldn't be surprised that the corvette named Shantipole that gave name to the research project is one of those.

That leaves it open for the designer to use the verpine from Roche to manufacture the Blade-Wings. They don't seem to be rewriting the canon that much.

The only difference is that the mon calamari designer isn't Ackbar. But he couldn't be anyway in this timeline, because Ackbar joined the Alliance much later, when he was rescued from being a servant of Tarkin.

Yeah but the company associated with the Verpine are credited as building/designing the B-Wings as is Ackbar.

I like to think the laser we saw the Bwing shoot with was either "Linked Lasers" to an extreme degree or another form of Heavy Laser cannon. Now when the rebellion put it in mass production, you couldn't spend 7 points on all your Bwings, it would over-price the list even in Epic. However, I think Ten Numb worked out how to tweak his power output to keep some of the effects, explaining the uncancellable crit.

After seeing what it does it would have to be a composite Assault Laser at least.

Yeah so far for a show where it's going to be rare and hard for them to kill off main characters, they've still given the Imps enough bite. It is still a Disney show, so we arn't seeing Stormies mow down civilians or masses of soldiers lol But Vader killed a bunch of rebels single-handed in his Advance and nearly killed the heroes with relative ease.

And yeah, the start of this ep was pretty harsh to the rebels. Lost fighters, Phoenix leader AND a CR-90 all before the opening titles

Also, when Kallus did kill that CR-90 with his ship, did anyone else think "so THAT'S his card ability at work..."

What's up with all the Rebels bashing? Like Beast Wars, mentioned a few posts above, this is a kids show driven by merchandise and the need to keep a decades long franchise alive between 'reboots'. The fact that the show runners have researched so much and have worked in sly references to all that concept art and old EU material (not to mention references to the old Droid's cartoon, and underrated part of the 'dark ages') should be making everyone squee in delight. Is it an Emmy award winning show? Of course not! Is it Star Wars? You bet! Is it fun? Yeah!

And as far as main characters dying, just wait. I doubt Rex and Asohka will survive the season finale. And I doubt Kanan will survive the series. Zev and Kalus killing each other in a final battle near the finale is always a possibility too. This show can get real dark if the writers choose.

Yeah but the company associated with the Verpine are credited as building/designing the B-Wings as is Ackbar.

Not anymore! I always thought it was dumb to have Ackbar as the designer of the B-wing. Like they couldn't come up with another Mon Cal? He's a genius military tactician and engineer? That was the main problem with the EU. Too few characters were involved and did too many things.