We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.

Or Leia.

I was actually impressed with the recent eps (watched the clone double ep and the introduction to the Inquisitors)

I like having the reveal to Ezra the fall out of Order 66 and having Rex come in at the end, though Wolf's treachery was a little easily forgiven in my eyes.

Letting Zeb have a moment was nice, shows that the muscle doesn't have to be a goon all the time. I loved the "I don't want to die like this, I am the last of my kind." complaint when he was stuck in the vent.

Kinda fun...

Well shucks looks like I don't have to sculpt me up dat REBELS crew after all...

The deal maker was seeing this posted which confirmed that these are indeed 30MM figures which means that they will fit right into my huge collection just fines!

See dat Lacks... I'm all up in your REBELS topic bring coolness info wise and happys.

Wuz talk'n bout here just a week'ish ago and discovered the cool minis tonight.

Happy... but it looks like I still need to make a Hera figure.

I'll be ready early for a change looks like.

PS: I use figures for fun and have them chilling about their corresponding X-WING Paper all cool up on my game tables. When our FFG boys announced the GHOST I was a bit concerned because there needed to be new miniatures that could not be found in scale, or so I though then.

Bring that BAMF Ghost FFG... REBELS concerns and issues done!

I agree with Hobo for the most part actually and as i've said before on the thread "Heroes are defined by their villains". It's one thing to see Tarkin evilness and Darth Vader killing A-wings, of course he is. He's Darth MF'ing Vader. Stormtroopers and TIE Pilots have been shown to be many levels of incompetant to the point they can't even hurt rebel red shirts. This needs to change, kidfriendly or no.

In the movies, they were shown as largely competant and can be deconstructed further to be pretty badass. They flew TIE LN's and were actually outnumbered by the Rebels yet... only 3 Rebel fighters escaped.

Stormtroopers did a good job on the Tantive IV boarding.

There were many roast Ewoks, never forget that.

(My own stormtrooper character, stranded on endor ate nothing but ewok for 3 months). (They are a bit gamy, and too chewy).

Imma compare to something like Blakes 7, where hero characters get killed by mooks all the **** time, Even Doctor who tends to do this - with regular mook level villains being pretty killy and dammit that's a pacifistic kids show.

Stormtroopers should be able to kill off militia members/rebel mooks. TIE's should shoot down the odd rebel ship. Darth Vader and the INQ guys shouldn't be carrying the entire bloody Empire. That's just silly.

As an aside: The TIE's did score like 2 glancinghits on the MT. Still, not near enough and they are a disgrace to the TIE corps.

Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots.

Closing point: It's important to understand I'm not saying Stormtroopers should be wasting hero characters left and right, hero characters have plot armour, extra levels and are hero characters. They have ALL the fate points.

They should at least wing them a bit, make them spend those fate points.

"They flew TIE LN's and were actually outnumbered by the Rebels yet... only 3 Rebel fighters escaped." Where is this the case? Are you referring to actual on-screen TIE fighters, or the entire complement of the Death Star?

"Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots." And you'd have a great shortage of experienced pilots with this mentality. It's one of the great failings of the "mook" Imperial villains from the EU (and Darth Vader). Experience is the greatest teacher, no one starts out as an ace.

"Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots." And you'd have a great shortage of experienced pilots with this mentality. It's one of the great failings of the "mook" Imperial villains from the EU (and Darth Vader). Experience is the greatest teacher, no one starts out as an ace.

Indeed. It's why Vader makes a **** personnel manager, and Thrawn an amazing one.

That one scene, where he promotes that tractor beam operator who thought for sure he was going to be executed? Mmm, that's some hot leadership action right there.

"They flew TIE LN's and were actually outnumbered by the Rebels yet... only 3 Rebel fighters escaped." Where is this the case? Are you referring to actual on-screen TIE fighters, or the entire complement of the Death Star?

"Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots." And you'd have a great shortage of experienced pilots with this mentality. It's one of the great failings of the "mook" Imperial villains from the EU (and Darth Vader). Experience is the greatest teacher, no one starts out as an ace.

On screen, the Deathstar only launched a fraction of it's fighters. And yeah, I get it. But if you can't hit a tank sized target in 0 cover with a perfect angle of attack AFTER academy training, sorry. Either you lose your wings and get sent back to the academy or you are shot. Either way, replaced.

One of these things is more resource efficient. Thrawn promoted the guy for taking initiative, he still had a pleb executed for being a pleb.

One of these things is more resource efficient. Thrawn promoted the guy for taking initiative, he still had a pleb executed for being a pleb.

I don't believe he did either of those things based on the merits of the individual. He did both of them for the psychological effect each would have on his crew. Especially in conjunction with each other.

One of these things is more resource efficient. Thrawn promoted the guy for taking initiative, he still had a pleb executed for being a pleb.

I don't believe he did either of those things based on the merits of the individual. He did both of them for the psychological effect each would have on his crew. Especially in conjunction with each other.

That's an interesting and different interpretation of the scenes. I'm not saying you are wrong, just counter to what most people beleive.

Honestly...I never understood, why, in some of the EU stuff that all of a sudden the writers decided to make the Empire out to be racist xenophobes?

Because the Empire was based on the Nazi party and that's what they were. It also made the Empire look worse, and helped explain why the death star is populated almost completely with white males.

You mean people in white armor, and guys in grey suits. No Storm Trooper ever took off his kit on cam, and you didn't see the whole population of the Death Star in one photo.

C'mon, now.

And this was not a photo from between scenes, I watched Saturday night and noticed this.

Spoilers: Ezra turns to the Darkside, Kanan turns him back in their final mission to get the Death Star plans, and they die completing the mission.

This depressing series finale brought to you by Science Ninja Team Gatchaman

They can't get the Death Star plans in Rebels, because Rogue One is where they get the Death Star plans. Also, this means nobody from Rebels will appear in Rogue One, since the show won't be finished when Rogue One hits theatres - but what MIGHT happen, is that someone in Rogue One might show up in the later seasons of Rebels.

That's an interesting and different interpretation of the scenes. I'm not saying you are wrong, just counter to what most people beleive.

Well, it feels like that was Pellaeon's interpretation.

"And stood there beside the newly minted Lieutenant, feeling the stunned awe pervading the bridge as he watched Thrawn leave. Yesterday, the Chimaera's crew had trusted and respected the Grand Admiral. After today, they would be ready to die for him."

I interpreted as an effect of his leadership decision, but a side effect, not a deliberate aim. His aim was to get rid of incompetant jackasses and promote the guys who showed initiative.

Like I said, in this case I am by no means saying you are wrong - you probably are spot on, just not the interpretation i've used or have heard in the past.

Given that it was Thrawn, it was probably both. Promoting initiative AND inspiring loyalty in one act.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Honestly...I never understood, why, in some of the EU stuff that all of a sudden the writers decided to make the Empire out to be racist xenophobes?

Because the Empire was based on the Nazi party and that's what they were. It also made the Empire look worse, and helped explain why the death star is populated almost completely with white males.

You mean people in white armor, and guys in grey suits. No Storm Trooper ever took off his kit on cam, and you didn't see the whole population of the Death Star in one photo.

C'mon, now.

And this was not a photo from between scenes, I watched Saturday night and noticed this.

Spoilers: Ezra turns to the Darkside, Kanan turns him back in their final mission to get the Death Star plans, and they die completing the mission.

This depressing series finale brought to you by Science Ninja Team Gatchaman

They can't get the Death Star plans in Rebels, because Rogue One is where they get the Death Star plans. Also, this means nobody from Rebels will appear in Rogue One, since the show won't be finished when Rogue One hits theatres - but what MIGHT happen, is that someone in Rogue One might show up in the later seasons of Rebels.

We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.

Or Leia.

Leia might not be involved.

If I were Bail, I would be keeping her as far from the rebellion as possible. I would bet that when she does get involved, it will be against her father's wishes - or perhaps after Bail is killed. (We don't know how he dies or when he dies or if he dies, only that he's never seen on screen in the originals, but is around during the prequels. But it's a common reason why people get involved in politics in the real world: They had a relative who was assassinated for their views, so they take up their mantle.) Or maybe she doesn't get involved until immediately prior to A New Hope , Bail giving her the Death Star plans and telling her that there's no one else he can trust to go to Tatooine and recruit Jedi Master General Obi-Wan Kenobi.

We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.

Or Leia.

Leia might not be involved.

If I were Bail, I would be keeping her as far from the rebellion as possible. I would bet that when she does get involved, it will be against her father's wishes - or perhaps after Bail is killed. (We don't know how he dies or when he dies or if he dies, only that he's never seen on screen in the originals, but is around during the prequels. But it's a common reason why people get involved in politics in the real world: They had a relative who was assassinated for their views, so they take up their mantle.) Or maybe she doesn't get involved until immediately prior to A New Hope , Bail giving her the Death Star plans and telling her that there's no one else he can trust to go to Tatooine and recruit Jedi Master General Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Of course we don't see Bail in the original trilogy. He was on Alderaan when it was destroyed by the first Death Star. While never explicitly stated, it was pretty much implicit in the conversation Leia has with General Willard when she first arrives at the Yavin IV base in A New Hope. (I'm pretty sure the original novelization made that explicit for that matter, but I read that over a couple of decades ago, so I might be remembering that incorrectly).

As for how Leia got the plans, Vader states that the Empire detected that the plans were transmitted to the Tantive IV, which is why that ship was being pursued in the first place. So Leia was obviously already part of the Rebellion prior to her father's death.

Finally, there's the little detail that Leia knew to go to Yavin, and the leadership there knew who she was and was not surprised by her being there (just relieved that she's still alive). She was a part of the Rebellion leadership. Not someone who wasn't involved.

We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.

Or Leia.

Leia might not be involved.

If I were Bail, I would be keeping her as far from the rebellion as possible. I would bet that when she does get involved, it will be against her father's wishes - or perhaps after Bail is killed. (We don't know how he dies or when he dies or if he dies, only that he's never seen on screen in the originals, but is around during the prequels. But it's a common reason why people get involved in politics in the real world: They had a relative who was assassinated for their views, so they take up their mantle.) Or maybe she doesn't get involved until immediately prior to A New Hope , Bail giving her the Death Star plans and telling her that there's no one else he can trust to go to Tatooine and recruit Jedi Master General Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Of course we don't see Bail in the original trilogy. He was on Alderaan when it was destroyed by the first Death Star. While never explicitly stated, it was pretty much implicit in the conversation Leia has with General Willard when she first arrives at the Yavin IV base in A New Hope. (I'm pretty sure the original novelization made that explicit for that matter, but I read that over a couple of decades ago, so I might be remembering that incorrectly).

As for how Leia got the plans, Vader states that the Empire detected that the plans were transmitted to the Tantive IV, which is why that ship was being pursued in the first place. So Leia was obviously already part of the Rebellion prior to her father's death.

Finally, there's the little detail that Leia knew to go to Yavin, and the leadership there knew who she was and was not surprised by her being there (just relieved that she's still alive). She was a part of the Rebellion leadership. Not someone who wasn't involved.

Yes, but transmitted by whom?

And if your father has friends, wouldn't they be pleased to hear about your survival if all that they knew was that your ship had been destroyed, with all hands aboard lost?

In any case, I'm sure we'll know more by the time Rogue One comes out.

I agree with Hobo for the most part actually and as i've said before on the thread "Heroes are defined by their villains". It's one thing to see Tarkin evilness and Darth Vader killing A-wings, of course he is. He's Darth MF'ing Vader. Stormtroopers and TIE Pilots have been shown to be many levels of incompetant to the point they can't even hurt rebel red shirts. This needs to change, kidfriendly or no.

In the movies, they were shown as largely competant and can be deconstructed further to be pretty badass. They flew TIE LN's and were actually outnumbered by the Rebels yet... only 3 Rebel fighters escaped.

Stormtroopers did a good job on the Tantive IV boarding.

There were many roast Ewoks, never forget that.

(My own stormtrooper character, stranded on endor ate nothing but ewok for 3 months). (They are a bit gamy, and too chewy).

Imma compare to something like Blakes 7, where hero characters get killed by mooks all the **** time, Even Doctor who tends to do this - with regular mook level villains being pretty killy and dammit that's a pacifistic kids show.

Stormtroopers should be able to kill off militia members/rebel mooks. TIE's should shoot down the odd rebel ship. Darth Vader and the INQ guys shouldn't be carrying the entire bloody Empire. That's just silly.

As an aside: The TIE's did score like 2 glancinghits on the MT. Still, not near enough and they are a disgrace to the TIE corps.

Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots.

Closing point: It's important to understand I'm not saying Stormtroopers should be wasting hero characters left and right, hero characters have plot armour, extra levels and are hero characters. They have ALL the fate points.

They should at least wing them a bit, make them spend those fate points.

In ANH, if I recall correctly, the tie/ln's shot down 1 X-wing, Vader got the rest. Well, they also took out Vader via incompetence, or maybe Vader would have got them all.

As far as missing the walker, they were about as bad at hitting it as they were at hitting the Falcon as it fled the 1st death star, and there were no Jedi outside blocking shots.

At Hoth they beat a rebel force in full retreat after they blundered in to close to tip them off. Then failed to stop any transports protected by a measly 2 X-wings. All mooks by the way. Then they lost how many star destroyers flying into rocks? Rebels won at Hoth. They lost nothing of importance, escaped, and took out star destroyers. The whole event was a total disaster for the Empire.

At Endor the lost an entire legion of their best troops to a squad of rebels and some care bears. Only one bear died on screen. There may have been injuries, but you only see one death. The space battle above they faired no better. They massively out gunned and out numbered the rebels, lost both a second death star and a super star destroyer to snub fighters and only the death star was able to take out 2 cap ships? Man, that's a **** joke. Even with the shields down they should have crushed the rebels.

The Empire has been completely incompetent since day 1. They never really won an engagement against the rebels in the movies.

I agree with Hobo for the most part actually and as i've said before on the thread "Heroes are defined by their villains". It's one thing to see Tarkin evilness and Darth Vader killing A-wings, of course he is. He's Darth MF'ing Vader. Stormtroopers and TIE Pilots have been shown to be many levels of incompetant to the point they can't even hurt rebel red shirts. This needs to change, kidfriendly or no.

In the movies, they were shown as largely competant and can be deconstructed further to be pretty badass. They flew TIE LN's and were actually outnumbered by the Rebels yet... only 3 Rebel fighters escaped.

Stormtroopers did a good job on the Tantive IV boarding.

There were many roast Ewoks, never forget that.

(My own stormtrooper character, stranded on endor ate nothing but ewok for 3 months). (They are a bit gamy, and too chewy).

Imma compare to something like Blakes 7, where hero characters get killed by mooks all the **** time, Even Doctor who tends to do this - with regular mook level villains being pretty killy and dammit that's a pacifistic kids show.

Stormtroopers should be able to kill off militia members/rebel mooks. TIE's should shoot down the odd rebel ship. Darth Vader and the INQ guys shouldn't be carrying the entire bloody Empire. That's just silly.

As an aside: The TIE's did score like 2 glancinghits on the MT. Still, not near enough and they are a disgrace to the TIE corps.

Under my command when they returned i'd execute them and request better pilots.

Closing point: It's important to understand I'm not saying Stormtroopers should be wasting hero characters left and right, hero characters have plot armour, extra levels and are hero characters. They have ALL the fate points.

They should at least wing them a bit, make them spend those fate points.

In ANH, if I recall correctly, the tie/ln's shot down 1 X-wing, Vader got the rest. Well, they also took out Vader via incompetence, or maybe Vader would have got them all.

Still one x-wing, at least they did something!

As far as missing the walker, they were about as bad at hitting it as they were at hitting the Falcon as it fled the 1st death star, and there were no Jedi outside blocking shots.

What? The Falcon that they were ordered to wing but let escape? - or probably sent at not knowing they had no real chance at all. They wrecked that bloody falcon, remember C3PO all covered in burning wires, and that was only four of them! VS a VERY FAT FALCON!

At Hoth they beat a rebel force in full retreat after they blundered in to close to tip them off. Then failed to stop any transports protected by a measly 2 X-wings. All mooks by the way. Then they lost how many star destroyers flying into rocks? Rebels won at Hoth. They lost nothing of importance, escaped, and took out star destroyers. The whole event was a total disaster for the Empire.

Canon tells you otherwise, massively, even nu canon. I don't want to get too much into arguing this point, other than just NOPE. Hoth was a massive loss for the Rebels, and they lost a tonne. Not every transport made it, a Star destroyer was DAMAGED in the roidfield, not destroyed.

At Endor the lost an entire legion of their best troops to a squad of rebels and some care bears. Only one bear died on screen. There may have been injuries, but you only see one death. The space battle above they faired no better. They massively out gunned and out numbered the rebels, lost both a second death star and a super star destroyer to snub fighters and only the death star was able to take out 2 cap ships? Man, that's a **** joke. Even with the shields down they should have crushed the rebels.

Canon kinda goes two ways here, Rebs took heavy casualties, and serious losses but once the DS went down that was more or less it. As for the carebears - yeah, they took out the Rebels too. They outnumbered and used geurilla tactics. Those things are more dangerous than they look.

The Empire has been completely incompetent since day 1. They never really won an engagement against the rebels in the movies.

Tantive IV, Hoth, the rest is largely implied.

/sigh

Alright. Retorts in bold.

/sigh

Alright. Retorts in bold.

can you cite any of your sources? I ask not to dispute but, since the EU has gone away I'm not sure where some of this new lore is coming from and would LOVE to catch up!

I can, i'll have time to tomorrow but the X-wing being shot down and the 4 TIE's seriously smoking the falcon are ANH.

The Rebels getting roflstomped at hoth, in old canon is automatic pretty much. In new, will need to look.