I'm not talking about the end fight with vader i'm talking about the raid at the start.

But why are you still here? I mean, you said you hated the show so why are you still here?

When I said I hated Halo 4 you bet your Ion Engines I packed my bags and left, doing my best not to discuss that mess of a game whenever possible.

I guess Hobojebus hasn't quite finished flogging the expired equine regarding Rebels.

Yes, we understand you have an irrational hatred for the show Hobo. Now, just go away and join the minority of Star Wars fans who agree with your opinion and stop trolling this thread with your drek.

I'm not talking about the end fight with vader i'm talking about the raid at the start.

But why are you still here? I mean, you said you hated the show so why are you still here?

When I said I hated Halo 4 you bet your Ion Engines I packed my bags and left, doing my best not to discuss that mess of a game whenever possible.

I guess Hobojebus hasn't quite finished flogging the expired equine regarding Rebels.

Yes, we understand you have an irrational hatred for the show Hobo. Now, just go away and join the minority of Star Wars fans who agree with your opinion and stop trolling this thread with your drek.

To be irrational i'd have to have no valid complaints, but we've clearly seen i'm not alone in thinking the portrayal of the average imperial trooper was a point of contention.

If you want an echo chamber go elsewhere these are not the rebels fans forums, if your going to post here you can't expect only positive comments it's not whineseer.

I'm not talking about the end fight with vader i'm talking about the raid at the start.

But why are you still here? I mean, you said you hated the show so why are you still here?

When I said I hated Halo 4 you bet your Ion Engines I packed my bags and left, doing my best not to discuss that mess of a game whenever possible.

I guess Hobojebus hasn't quite finished flogging the expired equine regarding Rebels.

Yes, we understand you have an irrational hatred for the show Hobo. Now, just go away and join the minority of Star Wars fans who agree with your opinion and stop trolling this thread with your drek.

To be irrational i'd have to have no valid complaints, but we've clearly seen i'm not alone in thinking the portrayal of the average imperial trooper was a point of contention.

If you want an echo chamber go elsewhere these are not the rebels fans forums, if your going to post here you can't expect only positive comments it's not whineseer.

Yawn, did you say something? Oh, just the usual drek. Nothing important.

And with that, off to the Pit of Ignore you go.

I'm not talking about the end fight with vader i'm talking about the raid at the start.

Ok.. of the 3-4 shots fired from one of only TWO of the TIEs that are flying, only one was firing at an Awing. All other shots from all other Imperial ships were firing at the Ghost, Phantom or the CR90.

Maybe the A-wings have PTL or chose more wisely during activation phase.

I wont quote Hobojebus anymore... just trying to get him to re-watch 'Siege' again.

Arguably, training is exactly what flew him into Vader's ship.

Sure, training has a conscious component, but its subconsciously ingrained reflexes, muscle memory, etc are faster than that, AND once you consider that level you're dealing with lizard-brain base survival instincts, which means "survive by dodging" is faster than either situational awareness (consider sensory input lag), OR conscious decision to "not run into flight lead".

Training is to teach us to use our lizard-brain in a way that doesn't get us (or those we're protecting) killed.

Training also includes situational awareness: The pilot's brain should be telling him at all times , if I need to get out of here, how do I get out of here? If I push down, I fly into the Death Star and die. If I pull left, I fly into the Death Star and die. If I pull right, I fly into my wingman, we both crash into the Death Star and we both die. If I pull right and up, I might clear my wingman, so long as he's not pulling up, because if he's pulling up... we fly into each other, we crash into each other, and we both die.

He could have pulled straight up. He could have decelerated or accelerated. He could have pulled up and to the left or just up - all things that his training in situational awareness would have married to his lizard-brain to make automatic.

Had his lizard-brain been in charge, though, he wouldn't have had time to shout out a warning: He Observed his buddy's destruction, Oriented to the threat, Decided to pull up and right, into Vader's TIE, and then Acted. Vader was still on the 'D' of OODA when that happened.

I'm also certain that given the Inquisitors are Dark Siders, that the granting of new names like, "Fifth Brother," and "Seventh Sister," are likely related to the Sith tradition of awarding a new name and the title of Darth to a newly risen Sith Lord. It's also possible that this might be a tradition dating back to the times when the Sith ruled much of the galaxy. And should a Sith Inquisitor achieve sufficient skill and successfully demonstrate it, they might be awarded the title of Darth and a new name to replace the more generic name they had before.

I find this both amusing and infuriating, in all versions of the EU. Dark siders are supposed to be rare and mysterious, if we believe the movies. "Only two there are" etc.

Then in the EU we get "well, that's specifically just these Darth Sith." And then we get Dark Jedi, and Inquisitors, and evil Force Sensitives, and if the Ep VII previews are to be believe the Vader Fan Club of Ren . Seems like every rock we turn over holds a new flavor of Dark Side user.

If we accept that -- man, were the Jedi woefully incompetent!

I would guess that the Jedi were mostly concerned with Sith and fallen Jedi. Other Dark Side Force traditions don't seem to gain much ire from the Jedi - such as the Nightsisters of Dathomiir - so long as they're mostly keeping to themselves, anyway. Most of the time when the Jedi act against Dark Siders, it's because they're causing problems that might lead to bigger problems. The Sith seem to largely leave non-Jedi Light Side Force traditions alone, too, so long as they're minor in scope and power.

Considering the shear number of Force sensitives in the galaxy and the fact that worlds - particularly those that are out of the way and feral or borderline feral - have their own Force traditions, some Light side, some Dark, some Grey, it only makes sense that there would be a large number of Force sensitives that exist in the galaxy. And given that Light siders and Greys tend to be more introverted, more interested in self-improvement and protecting their own little corner of the galaxy, while Dark siders tend to aim toward more tyrannical purposes, it only makes sense that there would be more and more Dark sider traditions being found.

It's also worth pointing out - thematically - that many of these traditions are tied into common tropes in legend, mythology, and fantasy: The lone monastery far from the cares of the world (located on a planet difficult to find, of little intrinsic value), the wiles of witches and wizards, elves, fairies, brownies, and the like (Force traditions like the Nightsisters, plus other obscure wild worlds - and the initial concept behind Yoda and Dagobah, even Obi-Wan Kenobi - a hermit, living alone in the wilds, his appearance that of a sandy space Merlin or sorcerer), &c.

And to be honest, once you run out of Dark Siders and your Light Siders and Greys have found a way to keep their own numbers from going Dark Side - the setting loses a lot of its fantasy appeal.

If you want an echo chamber go elsewhere these are not the rebels fans forums, if your going to post here you can't expect only positive comments it's not whineseer.

I don't agree with all of your complaints(at least, not anymore), but this point at least is completely correct.

Don't let anyone tell you you aren't allowed to disagree with them on a public forum.

I tried watching rebels again couldn't make it through two episodes I just wanted to scream.

The idea a tie fighter can't hit a slow walker even a glancing blow just makes my blood simmer.

Walkers not being able to hit another walker made it boil.

And the nonsense with the dust storm was the final straw.

This show gets no more chances from me.

Because the Star Wars movies showed the Empire as so competent and accurate. /s

Need I remind people that in the original Star Wars, Darth Vader's hand-picked wingman in the Death Star trench lost the entire battle when he forgot all those years of training at the Academy and crashed into his own leader's ship ?

Remember hoth?

You mean the battle where the only reason most of the Rebels were able to escape was that Admiral Ozzle completely messed up and jumped out of hyperspace too close, causing Vader to choke him for his incompetence?

Where on Earth does your super-competent version of the Empire come from? Even when they win a battle like Hoth, they still mess up. And let's not talk about when they lose a battle like Endor or Yavin.

If you want an echo chamber go elsewhere these are not the rebels fans forums, if your going to post here you can't expect only positive comments it's not whineseer.

I don't agree with all of your complaints(at least, not anymore), but this point at least is completely correct.

Don't let anyone tell you you aren't allowed to disagree with them on a public forum.

Yes, we understand you have an irrational hatred for the show Hobo. Now, just go away and join the minority of Star Wars fans who agree with your opinion and stop trolling this thread with your drek.

Considering you apparently put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore, I don't think you can be trusted to be able to tell who's in the minority or not.

It's like he said about the "echo chamber". When you plug your ears and go "LALALAA!" everytime someone disagrees with you, it's easy to convince yourself everyone thinks the same way you do.

I tried watching rebels again couldn't make it through two episodes I just wanted to scream.

The idea a tie fighter can't hit a slow walker even a glancing blow just makes my blood simmer.

Walkers not being able to hit another walker made it boil.

And the nonsense with the dust storm was the final straw.

This show gets no more chances from me.

Because the Star Wars movies showed the Empire as so competent and accurate. /s

Need I remind people that in the original Star Wars, Darth Vader's hand-picked wingman in the Death Star trench lost the entire battle when he forgot all those years of training at the Academy and crashed into his own leader's ship ?

Remember hoth?

You mean the battle where the only reason most of the Rebels were able to escape was that Admiral Ozzle completely messed up and jumped out of hyperspace too close, causing Vader to choke him for his incompetence?

Where on Earth does your super-competent version of the Empire come from? Even when they win a battle like Hoth, they still mess up. And let's not talk about when they lose a battle like Endor or Yavin.

Obviously the corruption of the Old Republic carried over to at least the Imperial military. Fleet Admiral Ozzel was considered clumsy and stupid during his command. Given Vader's tendency to execute his officers for less-than-excellent performance it's a wonder there's any officers left. Even the best officers will have an off day. It's a wonder that Piett was still around in ROTJ, but then he was mostly successful and competent under the Dark Lord's authority.

The Rebel's show continues this trend with officers blaming lesser ranking men for their mistakes, getting them far until they get caught. Let's face it, the Empire is full of people that have more ambition than ability and it shows when you have pilots that can't hit ground targets, infantry that can't hit anything smaller than a sandcrawler, and Captains that can't command.

In all fairness hitting a target with a strafing run using a non-guided weapon with the rate of fire lasers have in Star Wars would IMO be harder then doing the same thing with a machine gun.

If a machine gun fires off 50 or 60 shots during the run and only 10 of those shots hit it is still effective. but a Laser cannon would get off around 4 or 5 shots in the same period so it has a much lower chance of any shots scoring hits.

nevermind. I misread the post.

I'd prefer this thread stop being littered with dreck.

Sorry, it's hard not to feel bad for all those boys in plastic.

Here's a sad picture for people who feel that the troopers are underpowered. http://www.imperialchicks.com/images/Vader_at_Memorial.jpg

Now, switching my viewpoint to one where the rebels are the "good guys"; what do you think the ultimate fate of the cast will be?

We don't see any Jedi but Luke and Obi-Wan in the OT, and the rebels we do know seem to agree that they have been wiped out.

My guess is that Kanan's fate is the same as every other master's ie. doom; and Ezra either goes into hiding, drops the Jedi thing ala Tano, or gets Sithed.

Still waiting for Darth Vader to call her "Snips" btw. The room will freeze over.

Sorry, it's hard not to feel bad for all those boys in plastic.

Here's a sad picture for people who feel that the troopers are underpowered. http://www.imperialchicks.com/images/Vader_at_Memorial.jpg

Dang.

Now, switching my viewpoint to one where the rebels are the "good guys"; what do you think the ultimate fate of the cast will be?

We don't see any Jedi but Luke and Obi-Wan in the OT, and the rebels we do know seem to agree that they have been wiped out.

My guess is that Kanan's fate is the same as every other master's ie. doom; and Ezra either goes into hiding, drops the Jedi thing ala Tano, or gets Sithed.

I'm expecting Hera's fate to be tied to Kanan's... Or if not, she's gonna be grief-stricken when he kicks the bucket.

Chopper's fate is tied to the Ghost and probably Hera.

Sabine might go her own way depending on how her backstory works out this season. It's hard to tell since she's had the least development of the main cast.

No idea about Zeb. He might become a serious commander in the Rebels as he grows more reasonable and mature throughout the show; the newest episode showed he's actually pretty canny when he gets serious.

Dang.

I'm expecting Hera's fate to be tied to Kanan's... Or if not, she's gonna be grief-stricken when he kicks the bucket.

Chopper's fate is tied to the Ghost and probably Hera.

Sabine might go her own way depending on how her backstory works out this season. It's hard to tell since she's had the least development of the main cast.

No idea about Zeb. He might become a serious commander in the Rebels as he grows more reasonable and mature throughout the show; the newest episode showed he's actually pretty canny when he gets serious.

First; I know right? That's why I only left a link.

I never considered that Hera could die; that's an interesting thought. We all know what having wives/husbands dying does to Jedi....

Chopper is a droid, he gets the children-and-fools plot armor.

Sabine. Hmmm. Don't think she'll die, but she does get plot development this time around sooo... back to Mandalore maybe?

Zeb, will live forever.

(Edit. All of the above is just IMO.)

I'm not exactly expecting the main cast to die.

I'm not exactly expecting the main cast to die.

(It's not a jab Borg, it's just what always happens.)

(Just realised that saying "it's not a jab" makes it look like a jab. I'm gonna stop before I've dug myself in too far to climb out.)

Realistically, I see the timeline for the show creeping slowly enough that the fates of the characters can be left in the air when the show eventually ends.

They have a five year plan. So the series will end just around the time of ANH. Which makes sense, as the Rebellion will be in full swing by then.

Spoilers: Ezra turns to the Darkside, Kanan turns him back in their final mission to get the Death Star plans, and they die completing the mission.

This depressing series finale brought to you by Science Ninja Team Gatchaman

Sorry, it's hard not to feel bad for all those boys in plastic.

Here's a sad picture for people who feel that the troopers are underpowered. http://www.imperialchicks.com/images/Vader_at_Memorial.jpg

I'd have more sympathy for Vader's grief if I didn't know half the names on that wall were people he'd choked to death.

They have a five year plan. So the series will end just around the time of ANH. Which makes sense, as the Rebellion will be in full swing by then.

That's true. I wonder, who do we still have to recruit to get a full "rebellion"?

We have Organa, clones, Tano, the B-Wing guy is coming up; Lando is present, but he doesn't join up until 5 so he's probably not on the list.

Who's left to recruit?

Sorry, it's hard not to feel bad for all those boys in plastic.

Here's a sad picture for people who feel that the troopers are underpowered. http://www.imperialchicks.com/images/Vader_at_Memorial.jpg

I'd have more sympathy for Vader's grief if I didn't know half the names on that wall were people he'd choked to death.

The names are actually real people, here's the guy who made it: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Deathstar-Reflections-118364126

They have a five year plan. So the series will end just around the time of ANH. Which makes sense, as the Rebellion will be in full swing by then.

That's true. I wonder, who do we still have to recruit to get a full "rebellion"?

We have Organa, clones, Tano, the B-Wing guy is coming up; Lando is present, but he doesn't join up until 5 so he's probably not on the list.

Who's left to recruit?

Wedge and the other core fighter jocks are left, but I'd heard that one of the new books had him recruited by 'fulcrum' anyway so who knows, be nice to have him make an appearance.

We haven't seen Mon Mothma or Ackbar yet.