1 hour ago, Thormind said:

Remind me, how did the heroes die in Rogue One?

Grenades. Lots and lots of grenades. Actually, why build a death star? Just have everyone hold a grenade and blow up randomly. Considering how outnumbered Rebels were, this could have probably done it.

8 minutes ago, dotswarlock said:

Grenades. Lots and lots of grenades. Actually, why build a death star? Just have everyone hold a grenade and blow up randomly. Considering how outnumbered Rebels were, this could have probably done it.

Just gave me the mental image of Jihadist stormtroopers, thanks for that!

I'm thankful for Rogue One introducing the idea of grenades being something stormtroopers actually use.

I guess they don't get used as widely in canon because of plot armour reasons, it's a bit harder to convincingly plot armour against grenades.

I know stormtroopers are there to be hilariously incompetent, but with fully enclose visors which could easily have adjustable lenses and sound dampeners it'd be cool to see them use stuff like flashbangs and other disorienting weapons as part of a breaching procedure. But, again, SW is more sci-fantasy than military SF.

3 hours ago, dotswarlock said:

Grenades. Lots and lots of grenades. Actually, why build a death star? Just have everyone hold a grenade and blow up randomly. Considering how outnumbered Rebels were, this could have probably done it.

So Star Wars works the same way as Call of Duty. Got it.

On 12/4/2017 at 1:56 PM, Forresto said:

Speaking of redshirts can we talk about how ISD's are the red shirts of the new canon?

If you count across all formats and mediums in the new canon the amount of Star Destroyers the rebels have blown up, its above 20 (probably 22- 24 if not more) which is more then the 18 redshirts total to have died across all 3 seasons of the original Star Trek.

If a star destroyer and a red shirt shows up somewhere, the star destroyer is more likely to be blown up then the red shirt .

I hear in the new canon that it's the Rebels crew inside the Ghost instead of the Ram's Head. And they don't have a special shield. And they pulled a zigzag to go through the center of each ship longways.

Guys I think the Ghost might be the new Sun Crusher.

(Also did anybody ever think that Mon Mothma was opening a pizza box at the awards ceremony?)

2 hours ago, flyboymb said:

I hear in the new canon that it's the Rebels crew inside the Ghost instead of the Ram's Head. And they don't have a special shield. And they pulled a zigzag to go through the center of each ship longways.

Guys I think the Ghost might be the new Sun Crusher.

(Also did anybody ever think that Mon Mothma was opening a pizza box at the awards ceremony?)

Wow what an abysmal ending cutscene. Detonating a tibanna gas refueling platform is much better then a corvette doing this good lord.

It wasn't an ending cutscene, that was the end of Tour 4 out of 5 total. Pretty much the Empire is working on a prototype super shield technology. You and the Rebels manage to steal the prototype and the Rebellion is like 'what are we going to do with a single Corvette with super strong shielding'?

6 hours ago, flyboymb said:

I hear in the new canon that it's the Rebels crew inside the Ghost instead of the Ram's Head. And they don't have a special shield. And they pulled a zigzag to go through the center of each ship longways.

Guys I think the Ghost might be the new Sun Crusher.

(Also did anybody ever think that Mon Mothma was opening a pizza box at the awards ceremony?)

This is truly the most absurd thing X-Wing ever did.

But guys, it's legends, so that means it's totally holy and better than anything else that came before it, we must not speak ill of it, legends it truly the greatest and most sensible thing ever made.

2 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

This is truly the most absurd thing X-Wing ever did.

But guys, it's legends, so that means it's totally holy and better than anything else that came before it, we must not speak ill of it, legends it truly the greatest and most sensible thing ever made.

Eh, of the dumb things of Legends, I wouldn't necessarily cast this as one of them. If there was one major overriding aspect of the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games, it was that technology was advancing in the Star Wars universe. The series starts with the X-Wing giving the Rebels the edge they need to start at least escaping Imperial engagements and later start to win them. Then you get strange star winged fighters coming out of hyperspace, strange shielded TIEs coming from the Death Star that were highly maneuverable, B-Wings, more efficient hyperdrives, TIE Avengers, TIE Defenders, Missile Boats, cloaking devices...

This was simply one of those innovations coming down the pipes that the Rebels didn't want to have to face in a widespread capacity in the future. They did what the Rebels always do and stole it, and set up an attack run to cripple multiple Star Destroyers with it. I doubt the Empire would expect anybody to be foolish enough to attack a place with 4 ISDs present, even if they were docked. And as WWII showed us, even the mightiest of a nation's ships can prove to be vulnerable to a surprise attack when they're powered down and the crews are complacent.

In any case, between Rogue One and Rebels it seems that decapitating Star Destroyers is starting to become a thing.

Got to say I preferred destroying the Invincible . And the Intrepid , that took some work.

3 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Eh, of the dumb things of Legends, I wouldn't necessarily cast this as one of them. If there was one major overriding aspect of the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games, it was that technology was advancing in the Star Wars universe. The series starts with the X-Wing giving the Rebels the edge they need to start at least escaping Imperial engagements and later start to win them. Then you get strange star winged fighters coming out of hyperspace, strange shielded TIEs coming from the Death Star that were highly maneuverable, B-Wings, more efficient hyperdrives, TIE Avengers, TIE Defenders, Missile Boats, cloaking devices...

This was simply one of those innovations coming down the pipes that the Rebels didn't want to have to face in a widespread capacity in the future. They did what the Rebels always do and stole it, and set up an attack run to cripple multiple Star Destroyers with it. I doubt the Empire would expect anybody to be foolish enough to attack a place with 4 ISDs present, even if they were docked. And as WWII showed us, even the mightiest of a nation's ships can prove to be vulnerable to a surprise attack when they're powered down and the crews are complacent.

In any case, between Rogue One and Rebels it seems that decapitating Star Destroyers is starting to become a thing.

There is a difference between sneak attack and literally sun crusher.

9 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

This is truly the most absurd thing X-Wing ever did.

But guys, it's legends, so that means it's totally holy and better than anything else that came before it, we must not speak ill of it, legends it truly the greatest and most sensible thing ever made.

Legends ain't holy and I love the new canon, as a whole its far better then EU. I will be more critical of new canon however because the whole point of the reset is to avoid much of the absurd ridiculousness of the EU and there has been some unimaginative or shortcut story telling, especially in cases such as Battlefront II.

8 hours ago, eMeM said:

There is a difference between sneak attack and literally sun crusher.

Sun Crusher would be sending a monogrammed letter to an Imperial admiral saying that you were going to fly your ship through his shipyard and destroy everything then proceed to do it even when he had time to prepare.

The Ram's Head was a oneoff, something that the Rebels wouldn't be able to repeat ad nauseum. It was akin to fitting specialized fins on torpedoes in order to allow them to function in a shallow harbor or taking all the excess weight off of a medium bomber so it can launch off a carrier. Once the enemy figures out what you did and how you did it, they're not going to allow it to happen again. But you still managed to blacken their eye and bloody their nose so in the end it is a win. And as X-Wing stated the Rebels would jump on any win they could get against the Empire.

I really don't see how using a prototype Imperial weapon to attack a shipyard is any different than going through the trouble of getting a massive Imperial nuke and sneaking it onto a Star Destroyer. It's pretty much the Rebels' calling card of outsmarting the Empire to overcome said Empire's massive advantage of force. No Rebel fleet could destroy the shipyard, so they used a Spaceborne VBIED.

10 hours ago, Forresto said:

Legends ain't holy and I love the new canon, as a whole its far better then EU. I will be more critical of new canon however because the whole point of the reset is to avoid much of the absurd ridiculousness of the EU and there has been some unimaginative or shortcut story telling, especially in cases such as Battlefront II.

Agreed on all accounts.

8 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Sun Crusher would be sending a monogrammed letter to an Imperial admiral saying that you were going to fly your ship through his shipyard and destroy everything then proceed to do it even when he had time to prepare.

The Ram's Head was a oneoff, something that the Rebels wouldn't be able to repeat ad nauseum. It was akin to fitting specialized fins on torpedoes in order to allow them to function in a shallow harbor or taking all the excess weight off of a medium bomber so it can launch off a carrier. Once the enemy figures out what you did and how you did it, they're not going to allow it to happen again. But you still managed to blacken their eye and bloody their nose so in the end it is a win. And as X-Wing stated the Rebels would jump on any win they could get against the Empire.

I really don't see how using a prototype Imperial weapon to attack a shipyard is any different than going through the trouble of getting a massive Imperial nuke and sneaking it onto a Star Destroyer. It's pretty much the Rebels' calling card of outsmarting the Empire to overcome said Empire's massive advantage of force. No Rebel fleet could destroy the shipyard, so they used a Spaceborne VBIED.

It's different because it involves going clean through multiple ISD bridges. It's not shallow water torpedoes, it's glorious nippon steel kamikaze plane cutting a battleship in half with its wings and flying off into the sunrise.

I'm disgusted that such technology even exists, not that the Rebels used it.

On December 7, 2017 at 2:16 AM, eMeM said:

It's different because it involves going clean through multiple ISD bridges. It's not shallow water torpedoes, it's glorious nippon steel kamikaze plane cutting a battleship in half with its wings and flying off into the sunrise.

I'm disgusted that such technology even exists, not that the Rebels used it.

Stay away from the Lego Star Wars series. They invent a kyber crystal-powered fighter that uses the Force to cleave ISD's in half. At least it's a kind of a parody and not meant to be serious at all.

Rebels crew voice actors playing Edge of Empire, coming up in like 4 minutes.

https://www.twitch.tv/gegghead

On 12/7/2017 at 1:16 AM, eMeM said:

It's different because it involves going clean through multiple ISD bridges. It's not shallow water torpedoes, it's glorious nippon steel kamikaze plane cutting a battleship in half with its wings and flying off into the sunrise.

I'm disgusted that such technology even exists, not that the Rebels used it.

This is a series where a planet sucks a star into it and lobs kamehameha blasts into multiple planets destroying them. In canon. Or where a ship can move an object likely thousands of times more massive than it with a few seconds burst of its engines resulting in enough inertia impacting to an identical massive object to shatter the second (the kind of force needed for that is like the gravitational force between the earth and the moon condensed into a small ship which somehow didn't crumple from the force of the engines or slice through the Star Destroyer like a knife).

I mean you're pretty much getting Saxton level numbers in the new movies due to the Rule of Cool. Heck, a Hammerhead could survive what the Ram's Head did, the shielding just let the CR-90 punch through instead of creating a Star Destroyer wrecking ball chain which would honestly look much worse than the cutscene.

On 9/12/2017 at 4:58 AM, flyboymb said:

This is a series where a planet sucks a star into it and lobs kamehameha blasts into multiple planets destroying them. In canon. Or where a ship can move an object likely thousands of times more massive than it with a few seconds burst of its engines resulting in enough inertia impacting to an identical massive object to shatter the second (the kind of force needed for that is like the gravitational force between the earth and the moon condensed into a small ship which somehow didn't crumple from the force of the engines or slice through the Star Destroyer like a knife).

I mean you're pretty much getting Saxton level numbers in the new movies due to the Rule of Cool. Heck, a Hammerhead could survive what the Ram's Head did, the shielding just let the CR-90 punch through instead of creating a Star Destroyer wrecking ball chain which would honestly look much worse than the cutscene.

The star destroyers are anchored to a much more massive structure: the repair yard. You can see this in a previous cutscene where the repair yard is being guarded by several interdictors that are called away.
The corvette goes thru the bridges because the ISDs are fixed in place and cannot become the wrecking ball you mention.

The Hammerhead corvette in Rogue One does nothing that a tug cannot do, both in real life and in the Star Wars universe.
The situation is identical to when you help a friend whose car doesn't start because the battery is depleted, and you push their car with just your body until it gains enough speed for them to try to start the engine.
At the beginning it cost you a lot of effort to start moving it and it will move very slowly. But as you keep pushing it will keep gaining speed and it will be easier and easier to keep applying force to it. If your friend isn't careful, you can end crashing the car against another, causing noticeable damage to both.

I encourage you to try the situation I describe above. You can push a car with your bare hands, and you won't go thru it like butter, neither you will need to crumble from the force applied by your legs.

This is the same with the following differences:

• The corvette has strong engines compared to its size.
• There is no friction in space, so the speed gain will be much faster with a smaller pushing-ship.

In the end, this is actually no different from any of those vectored thrusters that spaceships seem to have.

Honestly the hammerhead corvette this is probably the most scientifically sound thing that Star Wars has EVER done, and I love that scene for that reason.

4 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Honestly the hammerhead corvette this is probably the most scientifically sound thing that Star Wars has EVER done, and I love that scene for that reason.

Perhaps that's the problem.
Star Wars doesn't make much sense once you start applying real life physics to it.

Why don't the Rebels just crash big, cheap cargo freighters loaded with some mass (water?) onto the star destroyer's bridges as a routine? Surely they can steal lots of them from the Empire and just throw them in kamikaze trajectories.
With enough mass, they can deal a lot of damage just like the disabled star destroyed dealt to the other one.

I guess because that's not really cool.

14 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Perhaps that's the problem.
Star Wars doesn't make much sense once you start applying real life physics to it.

Why don't the Rebels just crash big, cheap cargo freighters loaded with some mass (water?) onto the star destroyer's bridges as a routine? Surely they can steal lots of them from the Empire and just throw them in kamikaze trajectories.
With enough mass, they can deal a lot of damage just like the disabled star destroyed dealt to the other one.

I guess because that's not really cool.

Because that's stupidly expensive. Also, I'm talking about what happened in Rogue One.

What occurred in X-Wing was utter trash.

1 hour ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Because that's stupidly expensive. Also, I'm talking about what happened in Rogue One.

What occurred in X-Wing was utter trash.

Stealing imperial freighters is expensive?
And why the cutscene in X-wing is trash? At least they establish the Shield-X superweapon and use it against the Empire.
It's the classical "good guys sabotage evil guys superweapon by using it against its creator". We have seen it several times in many fictional universes and this one was one of the first that was used for Star Wars.
Edit:
Actually, not the last time they do it. Check from minute 2:22:

On 12/10/2017 at 3:02 PM, Azrapse said:

The star destroyers are anchored to a much more massive structure: the repair yard. You can see this in a previous cutscene where the repair yard is being guarded by several interdictors that are called away.
The corvette goes thru the bridges because the ISDs are fixed in place and cannot become the wrecking ball you mention.

The Hammerhead corvette in Rogue One does nothing that a tug cannot do, both in real life and in the Star Wars universe.
The situation is identical to when you help a friend whose car doesn't start because the battery is depleted, and you push their car with just your body until it gains enough speed for them to try to start the engine.
At the beginning it cost you a lot of effort to start moving it and it will move very slowly. But as you keep pushing it will keep gaining speed and it will be easier and easier to keep applying force to it. If your friend isn't careful, you can end crashing the car against another, causing noticeable damage to both.

I encourage you to try the situation I describe above. You can push a car with your bare hands, and you won't go thru it like butter, neither you will need to crumble from the force applied by your legs.

This is the same with the following differences:

• The corvette has strong engines compared to its size.
• There is no friction in space, so the speed gain will be much faster with a smaller pushing-ship.

In the end, this is actually no different from any of those vectored thrusters that spaceships seem to have.

Sure, but be mindful that the difference in mass between a man and a car and even a tug and a ship is waaaaaay closer than the Hammerhead and the ISD. And given that the person and the tug can't move their targets half as well as the Hammerhead did. This is taking into account the Hammerhead's engines as even the ISD with its massive engines has trouble making maneuvers as rapidly as what the Hammerhead was able to pull off. Physics and inertia keep in play even when you're in a frictionless environment. It's not the fact that the Hammerhead could eventually impart the energy to move the ISD, it's the fact that it was able to impart that energy sooooo quickly.

With the Ram's Head, if you had the ship impact and push in a similar fashion, if you had enough thrust you would either wrench the ISD off of its moorings or it would start pushing the whole of the docking facility around. The latter requires more energy than the former and going through the bridge requires less energy still. All you need is a means for the Corvette to not become a twisted hulk stuck inside the first bridge tower. Thus the ShieldX. Physics-wise, it is the path of least resistance and makes the most sense.

15 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Perhaps that's the problem.
Star Wars doesn't make much sense once you start applying real life physics to it.

Why don't the Rebels just crash big, cheap cargo freighters loaded with some mass (water?) onto the star destroyer's bridges as a routine? Surely they can steal lots of them from the Empire and just throw them in kamikaze trajectories.
With enough mass, they can deal a lot of damage just like the disabled star destroyed dealt to the other one.

I guess because that's not really cool.

It's likely somewhat difficult to do with a functioning ISD. RO's ISD had just been disabled and the ones in the dockyard were most likely offline as well. But in the case of the latter, the Empire at least had the foresight to put a defense in; the Interdictors. The only reason the Ram's Head was able to jump in at such close proximity was because the Interdictors had been drawn off to support the Imperial Fleet hunting for the Rebels. If the status quo were maintained, the Ram's Head would likely have had to come out of hyperspace/been drawn out of hyperspace so far out from the yard that picket ships or fighter screens would have been able to destroy it before it could strike (I believe the ShieldX was an advanced particle shield with no ray shield protection).

A functional Star Destroyer would also likely have the ability to maneuver and fire making a ramming maneuver like that rather unlikely to succeed. But given what an Arquitens can do to even a fully functional ISD, it IS a tactic that would take the ISD out of the fight.

The Rebels just did what they always do, play off the Empire's tendency to respond to a situation with an overwhelming response in order to attack a weak point.

2 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Stealing imperial freighters is expensive?
And why the cutscene in X-wing is trash? At least they establish the Shield-X superweapon and use it against the Empire.
It's the classical "good guys sabotage evil guys superweapon by using it against its creator". We have seen it several times in many fictional universes and this one was one of the first that was used for Star Wars.
Edit:
Actually, not the last time they do it. Check from minute 2:22:

Oh geez. That only makes my point stronger, honestly.

"Rebels steal X weapon and use it against The Empire!" Was basically all that happened in the EU ad nauseum.