Could be those were the major industrial and population centers of the world. When you look at maps of the United States, you see the major cities of each state and nothing else. Based off of that alone, the US would be sparsely populated at all. Add in all the suburb and rural towns that fill in the gaps, and things skyrocket well beyond what the map would indicate. If one major world originally was able to send a Senator to Coruscant and the rest were represented within the Senator's scope of governance, you once again get millions of worlds. And given that the majority of these worlds are probably uninhabited enough that a garrison of stormtroopers with transports can effectively cow any resistance (who cares about piracy or smuggling as long as it doesn't hurt the Imperial bottom line throw an Arghkittens out there if things are too bad) then you don't need a massive fleet of Star Destroyers.

Have each sector fleet orbiting the systems that matter, and if somebody attacks the outlying systems send one ISD in because nothing in the galaxy can overcome that amount of power.

At least that was the plan before these backwater worlds started hosting whole cells of Rebels...

That's why the Death Star was favored over more Star Destroyers. You'd never be able to build enough Star Destroyers to tack down every system, but the fear of the Death Star would supposedly keep these systems in line. Same thing with nukes. We'd have undoubtedly gone to war with Russia and/or China during the Cold War if it weren't for the fear of our own cities being annihilated. Fear of destruction is a great influence on behavior and you only need one person to blab to Imperial authorities as to who the Rebels are. Heck, people would likely just start turning in a few folks they don't like every year to placate the ISB and keep the Boogy Star away.

9 hours ago, Forresto said:

Well...

Even if the Imperials at Jakku are just the fanatic supporters, the type that would carry out Operation: Cinder without question, it still begs the question then what about the rest of the Empire? Because that actually makes marking Jakku as the end of the Empire much more problematic.

I actually think they did this rather okish. The alliance to restore the republic declared the restoration of the republic. As the empire IS the republic everyone who was not one of those fanatics at Jakku was like "****, yeah, republic, democracy, hurray, lets join them!".
And we are back to square one: A corrupt senate. Local corrupt governments and no internal union against a common enemy. This actually works for me.

It's just silly that the new republic let's this happen without plenty of executions of ex-imperials to clean up as good as they can before letting all that scum join the senate.

9 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I actually think they did this rather okish. The alliance to restore the republic declared the restoration of the republic. As the empire IS the republic everyone who was not one of those fanatical ideas at Jakku was like "****, yeah, republic".
And we are back to square one: A corrupt senate. Local corrupt governments and no internal union against a common enemy. This actually works for me.

It's just silly that the new republic let's this happen without plenty of executions of ex-imperials to clean up as good as they can before letting all that scum join the senate.

Eventually people may think that but remember the Empire has been pumping propaganda into all of their worlds. Jakku is a distant battle and the rebels are terrorists that destroyed two Death Stars (causing the deaths of millions of "patriots") and assassinated their emperor. That's only going to rally people against the Rebels.

Look at the US and the Confederacy and the major role it still plays in modern Southern Culture. Battles do not break a populace's spirit easily. I'm a yankee and I don't understand that culture but I understand the stubborn mentality. That's even without the Nazi esque propaganda machine of the Empire.

I agree though and I love that we see the pro Imperialists still around infecting the New Republic, its a brilliant idea that helps form the reality of the situation.

So maybe as @Captain Lackwit says between Operation: Cinder and the defeat at Jakku the fight was taken out of most of the remaining Empire, I can totally buy that for what it could be, but not for what it is.

There are a million reasons why the Empire could collapse in a year from a massive battle between two Moffs that involves a quarter of the Imperial fleet and results in cataclysmic losses to thousands of battles that grind the Empire down in a war of attrition as more worlds join the New Republic. There is an incredibly epic story to be told in this short era that got rushed by sadly.

I just think the story group wants to focus on the sequel trilogy and bum rushed the OT's arc. I'm sure this can be rectified once the Last Jedi and third movie in the trilogy comes out. In that way they can have characters from the next two movies appear thirty years earlier.

Here's what I got out of watching all the cutscenes for Battlefront II

3 hours ago, Forresto said:

Eventually people may think that but remember the Empire has been pumping propaganda into all of their worlds. Jakku is a distant battle and the rebels are terrorists that destroyed two Death Stars (causing the deaths of millions of "patriots") and assassinated their emperor. That's only going to rally people against the Rebels.

The added end scenes of Return of the Jedi paints a vastly different picture. Even Coruscant had major rioting at the slightest moment of weakness. That stormtrooper wasn't getting crowdsurfed as a sign of support for the Empire. As I mentioned in the spoiler, once news that the Empire was building a 2nd Death Star came out, that would likely piss off a large group of the galaxy's population. They knew that it was a weapon to be used for the destruction of loyal, neutral, and disloyal citizens alike and probably didn't want a government that kept building these things and probably really liked the guys that kept destroying them. Once you get a large percentage of any population rising up against a government not even a Death Star could keep you in power.

In one of the new comics where Darth Vader has an audience with the Emperor after the loss of the first Death Star, with the Senate disbanded and the Death Star destroyed, there was not longer any control of the local populations. It was the first time in 20 years that the Emperor believed that his hold upon the galaxy was threatened. Combine that with what we see on planets like Lothal, and you can see that the populace sees straight through the Empire's propaganda and has no desire to see it perpetuated. The reason for this outlook compared to the American Confederacy is because the Confederacy never brutalized their own citizens like the Empire did. The citizenry had a good thing going until their government was disbanded and so had reason to foster a culture of remembering their former nation as a grand thing. It wouldn't be the case if Lee started burning major Southern cities to ensure that the US would inherit nothing but ashes.

7 hours ago, Forresto said:

Eventually people may think that but remember the Empire has been pumping propaganda into all of their worlds.

That's irrelevant. The empire is no democracy, Moffs and local governours hold the power and can easily claim to have been always loyal to the republic and bring the worlds under their control back to the new senate. Naturally with them as Senator or someone of their choosing and their ISDs becoming part of their local militia.

3 hours ago, flyboymb said:

The reason for this outlook compared to the American Confederacy is because the Confederacy never brutalized their own citizens like the Empire did.

Did they not technical count their slaves as 1/2 citizens to have more voting power in the union? ;-)

7 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Here's what I got out of watching all the cutscenes for Battlefront II

The Empire was on the ropes when it came to maintaining their fleet and building new equipment. All those Star Destroyers needed fuel, Tibanna, and other requisitions that they could no longer get in sufficient quantities after losing their supply chain. Losing single supply centers such as Sullust and Bespin suddenly put huge kinks into the Empire's ability to prosecute major battles. It's not possible at this point to see why their supply chain went south so fast. Maybe the revelation of a second Death Star and news of its destruction drove large numbers of planets straight into the Rebellion's arms. Maybe Operation Cinder managed to destroy a lot of Imperial supply worlds and nobody thought to question that the Emperor was royally trolling them. Only future stories will clear this up.

The added end scenes of Return of the Jedi paints a vastly different picture. Even Coruscant had major rioting at the slightest moment of weakness. That stormtrooper wasn't getting crowdsurfed as a sign of support for the Empire. As I mentioned in the spoiler, once news that the Empire was building a 2nd Death Star came out, that would likely piss off a large group of the galaxy's population. They knew that it was a weapon to be used for the destruction of loyal, neutral, and disloyal citizens alike and probably didn't want a government that kept building these things and probably really liked the guys that kept destroying them. Once you get a large percentage of any population rising up against a government not even a Death Star could keep you in power.

In one of the new comics where Darth Vader has an audience with the Emperor after the loss of the first Death Star, with the Senate disbanded and the Death Star destroyed, there was not longer any control of the local populations. It was the first time in 20 years that the Emperor believed that his hold upon the galaxy was threatened. Combine that with what we see on planets like Lothal, and you can see that the populace sees straight through the Empire's propaganda and has no desire to see it perpetuated. The reason for this outlook compared to the American Confederacy is because the Confederacy never brutalized their own citizens like the Empire did. The citizenry had a good thing going until their government was disbanded and so had reason to foster a culture of remembering their former nation as a grand thing. It wouldn't be the case if Lee started burning major Southern cities to ensure that the US would inherit nothing but ashes.

Except the Confederates did burn down Atlanta and other places to prevent the Union from gaining those resources. Then you get the conscription in later years...

My point isn't that it can't make sense is that the canon has done a poor job showing any of this. Certainly we can assume but we shouldn't have to do the foot work. I enjoy the foot work mind you but still.

14 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Did they not technical count their slaves as 1/2 citizens to have more voting power in the union? ;-)

In the Union, not the Confederacy.

10 hours ago, Forresto said:

Except the Confederates did burn down Atlanta and other places to prevent the Union from gaining those resources. Then you get the conscription in later years...

My point isn't that it can't make sense is that the canon has done a poor job showing any of this. Certainly we can assume but we shouldn't have to do the foot work. I enjoy the foot work mind you but still.

Pretty sure that was General Sherman who was quite the Union general. And the story of Battlefront II does blatantly put out quite a few hints as to the Empire's issues between Endor and Jakku.

On 11/24/2017 at 2:17 AM, flyboymb said:

The reason for this outlook compared to the American Confederacy is because the Confederacy never brutalized their own citizens like the Empire did. The citizenry had a good thing going until their government was disbanded and so had reason to foster a culture of remembering their former nation as a grand thing. It wouldn't be the case if Lee started burning major Southern cities to ensure that the US would inherit nothing but ashes.

The only reason you can claim the Confederacy "never brutalized their own citizens" is because the resident people they did brutalize weren't allowed to become citizens. Which is why the Underground Railroad existed in the first place. Which is why, despite segregation and discrimination in the North, Southern African Americans joined up with the Union army to fight the Confederacy.

As for why the Confederacy is built up as some grand thing to remember, that's a rather different topic that is much more complicated than you are making it out to be, and definitely not an appropriate topic for this forum.

So 7 episodes left to tie up this story. Doesn't seem like a lot, and I am worried this is going to be a rush job mess. Not sure about most people here, but I have not been impressed with season 4 thus far. In my opinion seasons 2 and 3 were just way better in terms of story, development and keeping you engaged. It has felt more like a chore to watch this season. The pre-season trailers hyped this season so much for me, but I am finding that even those scenes have been lackluster, some scenes have been great, but overall, very disappointed.... I'm also really not a fan of some of these concepts introduced into Star Wars. Like teleporting force wolves? C'mon.....

5 hours ago, Freeptop said:

The only reason you can claim the Confederacy "never brutalized their own citizens" is because the resident people they did brutalize weren't allowed to become citizens. Which is why the Underground Railroad existed in the first place. Which is why, despite segregation and discrimination in the North, Southern African Americans joined up with the Union army to fight the Confederacy.

As for why the Confederacy is built up as some grand thing to remember, that's a rather different topic that is much more complicated than you are making it out to be, and definitely not an appropriate topic for this forum.

Which is why I specifically mentioned the term citizens. In the end, the experience of your average Imperial citizen during Imperial rule was likely a lot different than that of a Wookiee on Kashyyk. But that Imperial citizen still had to worry about ISB investigations, ships landing on protesters, Base Delta Zeros, and having his planet destroyed. All these things were tactics the South didn't utilize because they not only didn't have the need, but they couldn't afford to take that kind of action while they were at war with a nation with superior industry and population size. If they had just decided to dynamite a major Confederate city into the ground or line up a small village's population to be executed on suspicion of treason, it is likely that the descendants of the Confederates would hold such a fond memory of that period in their history.

And just so you know, when doing a simple compare and contrast, one doesn't need to go into the subtle nuances of history, one needs only point out how things are different thereby showing the comparison being made doesn't work out between the two groups and another one would be more appropriate. I don't need to worry about 'complications' when those complications have no common denominator between the two groups being compared. If the Empire was built on the foundation of slavery, perhaps you would have a point in your response. But as things stand forced labor was always tertiary in the movies and novels to the brutal treatment that the Empire subjected everybody to so to focus on it is totally superfluous to the point I was trying to make.

Unless you're trying to tell me that Alderaan didn't have a single Imperial citizen on it, I get the feeling that you've totally misunderstood my post.

7 hours ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

So 7 episodes left to tie up this story. Doesn't seem like a lot, and I am worried this is going to be a rush job mess. Not sure about most people here, but I have not been impressed with season 4 thus far. In my opinion seasons 2 and 3 were just way better in terms of story, development and keeping you engaged. It has felt more like a chore to watch this season. The pre-season trailers hyped this season so much for me, but I am finding that even those scenes have been lackluster, some scenes have been great, but overall, very disappointed.... I'm also really not a fan of some of these concepts introduced into Star Wars. Like teleporting force wolves? C'mon.....

It's...

It's been very TCW. And not in a good way. I really hope Rebels ends strongly.

5 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

It's...

It's been very TCW. And not in a good way. I really hope Rebels ends strongly.

Yeah, it's starting to feel like a "Droids in the Desert" or whatever arc and that's not a good thing.

Can I just say i'm extremely disappointed in the lack of the use of the Imperial Suite Theme in Rebels, its such a great musical answer for the lack of an Imperial March in A New Hope.

To apologize for my essay rants of late here is the Imperial Suite in all its 8-bit glory...

Also a really great transposition to cover the introduction of Darth Vader and the Imperial fleet in the Empire Strikes Back.

Mind you this version is higher pitched then the regular, which I think somewhat takes away from the menace but still cool nonetheless.

So i've been watching a lot of clips from Rebels involving only the Imperials and I have to say the writers do really well with the Empire when its focused on just the Empire. Through Imperial Eyes is regarded as one of the best episodes of the show and no surprise its also almost all about the Empire.

I find that kind've strange.

They have used the Imperial March though. As parade music during empire day.

https://youtu.be/OIGXgDOZr-Y

I really don't like Rogue One's soundtrack. I find myself consistently disappointed in Gianacchio's work, and I get the feeling his parents hung up every single piece of art he drew on their fridge.

Until he was thirty.

The only soundtrack of his I like is 2009's Star Trek. It's a stellar soundtrack, but then the next two films, he doesn't deviate from those same bars at all. He's a complete hack.

1 hour ago, mithril2098 said:

They have used the Imperial March though. As parade music during empire day.

https://youtu.be/OIGXgDOZr-Y

One thing I did notice was the higher rank of the person they were playing it for, the closer to the original version of the Imperial March it was.

9 hours ago, Forresto said:

Can I just say i'm extremely disappointed in the lack of the use of the Imperial Suite Theme in Rebels, its such a great musical answer for the lack of an Imperial March in A New Hope.

To apologize for my essay rants of late here is the Imperial Suite in all its 8-bit glory...

Also a really great transposition to cover the introduction of Darth Vader and the Imperial fleet in the Empire Strikes Back.

Mind you this version is higher pitched then the regular, which I think somewhat takes away from the menace but still cool nonetheless.

So i've been watching a lot of clips from Rebels involving only the Imperials and I have to say the writers do really well with the Empire when its focused on just the Empire. Through Imperial Eyes is regarded as one of the best episodes of the show and no surprise its also almost all about the Empire.

I find that kind've strange.

I wonder if anybody has the musical knowhow to seamlessly blend the Imperial Suite so that it would segue into the main part of the Imperial March? Use the Suite for the Star Destroyers as they get overshadowed by the Executor then blast into the main stanzas of the March when it is finally revealed. The tempo for the Suite is just a tad slower than March, but with a change in speed of one you could likely find a point to make the two connect seamlessly.

I think Imperial March is likely the most flexible song in the Star Wars film series from the foreboding of young Anakin's theme to the final harp piece when Anakin dies in Luke's arms.

There's a lot more that could be done with it, but then again it was used just infrequently enough (in the movies at least) to give maximum impact without getting stale.

On 11/23/2017 at 11:17 PM, flyboymb said:

Here's what I got out of watching all the cutscenes for Battlefront II

The Empire was on the ropes when it came to maintaining their fleet and building new equipment. All those Star Destroyers needed fuel, Tibanna, and other requisitions that they could no longer get in sufficient quantities after losing their supply chain. Losing single supply centers such as Sullust and Bespin suddenly put huge kinks into the Empire's ability to prosecute major battles. It's not possible at this point to see why their supply chain went south so fast. Maybe the revelation of a second Death Star and news of its destruction drove large numbers of planets straight into the Rebellion's arms. Maybe Operation Cinder managed to destroy a lot of Imperial supply worlds and nobody thought to question that the Emperor was royally trolling them. Only future stories will clear this up.

The added end scenes of Return of the Jedi paints a vastly different picture. Even Coruscant had major rioting at the slightest moment of weakness. That stormtrooper wasn't getting crowdsurfed as a sign of support for the Empire. As I mentioned in the spoiler, once news that the Empire was building a 2nd Death Star came out, that would likely piss off a large group of the galaxy's population. They knew that it was a weapon to be used for the destruction of loyal, neutral, and disloyal citizens alike and probably didn't want a government that kept building these things and probably really liked the guys that kept destroying them. Once you get a large percentage of any population rising up against a government not even a Death Star could keep you in power.

In one of the new comics where Darth Vader has an audience with the Emperor after the loss of the first Death Star, with the Senate disbanded and the Death Star destroyed, there was not longer any control of the local populations. It was the first time in 20 years that the Emperor believed that his hold upon the galaxy was threatened. Combine that with what we see on planets like Lothal, and you can see that the populace sees straight through the Empire's propaganda and has no desire to see it perpetuated. The reason for this outlook compared to the American Confederacy is because the Confederacy never brutalized their own citizens like the Empire did. The citizenry had a good thing going until their government was disbanded and so had reason to foster a culture of remembering their former nation as a grand thing. It wouldn't be the case if Lee started burning major Southern cities to ensure that the US would inherit nothing but ashes.

Something to keep in mind, in the Aftermath series (not popular, but it does explain things pretty well) they have citizen interactions with the new post Empire senators, and they are portrayed as being just as corrupt as the Empire. It even references smaller planets as complaining that while the Empire wasn't perfect, they provided for its people with reliable supply chains. This leaves open the case that much of the Empire is still preferred by the citizens

As for the Death Star public relations issue, keep in mind, the Jedi, an institute spanning thousands of years, was nearly completely washed from the public memory, in a matter of 2 decades. Even by the time of the Force Awakens, the Jedi are still viewed as myths, if the Empire can do that, they can clean up the Death Star.

As for the Confederacy, they did brutalize their own people, if you weren't a loyal citizen, you were an enemy of the state. As for the sacking and burning through to Atlanta by Gen Sherman, that helped lock in the "good guy" narrative that still exists in the south today. It's totally off topic, but I'd argue that half of whats written, and remembered, about the south during the civil war is propagandist BS.

42 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:

Something to keep in mind, in the Aftermath series (not popular, but it does explain things pretty well) they have citizen interactions with the new post Empire senators, and they are portrayed as being just as corrupt as the Empire. It even references smaller planets as complaining that while the Empire wasn't perfect, they provided for its people with reliable supply chains. This leaves open the case that much of the Empire is still preferred by the citizens

As for the Death Star public relations issue, keep in mind, the Jedi, an institute spanning thousands of years, was nearly completely washed from the public memory, in a matter of 2 decades. Even by the time of the Force Awakens, the Jedi are still viewed as myths, if the Empire can do that, they can clean up the Death Star.

As for the Confederacy, they did brutalize their own people, if you weren't a loyal citizen, you were an enemy of the state. As for the sacking and burning through to Atlanta by Gen Sherman, that helped lock in the "good guy" narrative that still exists in the south today. It's totally off topic, but I'd argue that half of whats written, and remembered, about the south during the civil war is propagandist BS.

A religious order which spent most of its public interactions either leading armies that eventually turned on them, stealing force sensitive children, or staying sequestered in their various temples is a lot easier to pencil out of history than an asteroid field that used to be a major player in galactic affairs. Alderaan's destruction was meant to be a message to the people of the Empire that they were always vulnerable to Imperial reprisal. When the Death Star was destroyed, the threat behind that message was suddenly toothless. While I'm sure that any actual footage of Alderaan's destruction doesn't exist in the galaxy, I'm sure the Rebels would have no issue smuggling out the Death Star plans, statements by the former princess of Alderaan who witnessed its destruction, and maybe even camera footage captured by the fighters that survived the battle. You can gloss over the destruction of a mining colony, but planets don't just explode without a huge causing factor behind it.

People aren't going to let that go. People really aren't going to let that go when their government is caught trying to do it again. And when that same government punctuates those attempts with Operation Cinder, all in a matter of about half a decade, then that's an image that is burned into the minds of the people: the Empire razes whole planets at the drop of a hat. People may complain about the new system, they might grumble at the growing pains that system has as it fills in the void of the old, but that doesn't mean that they preferred a return to the Empire. If they did, they're likely the radicals who loved the Empire and went off to eventually create the First Order. People of Earth remark (wrongly) that Mussolini at least made the trains run on time. That doesn't mean that they're pining for the days of fascism to return.

And to wrap up my end of the Confederacy debate, there wasn't a large-scale system of intimidation and investigation in the CSA anywhere close to what the Empire did. These repressions were reserved for the dictatorships of the 20th century and beyond. The CSA had multiple openly Unionist pockets inside its borders such as Scott County, Tennessee and most blatantly the entire region of West Virginia. Both places eventually seceded from the CSA and sent thousands of volunteers to the Union Army. Despite having these 'rebel rebels' inside their border, the CSA didn't, or couldn't send large military forces in to reclaim these lands. The most history records are handfuls of people executed for treason or forced into the Confederate Army in exchange for clemency. However history has painted the CSA and however accurate that image may be, they weren't the Empire. That is a special brand of evil to hold up to the likes of Pol Pot or any of the Kims of North Korea.

On 11/24/2017 at 5:36 AM, SEApocalypse said:

That's irrelevant. The empire is no democracy, Moffs and local governours hold the power and can easily claim to have been always loyal to the republic and bring the worlds under their control back to the new senate. Naturally with them as Senator or someone of their choosing and their ISDs becoming part of their local militia.

Did they not technical count their slaves as 1/2 citizens to have more voting power in the union? ;-)

It was actually 3/5ths, not 1/2. And that was while the states were all still apart of the Union(the pre-civil war years). I assume the confederate congress kept the count the same. They never really lasted long enough to take a census.

16 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

It was actually 3/5ths, not 1/2. And that was while the states were all still apart of the Union(the pre-civil war years). I assume the confederate congress kept the count the same. They never really lasted long enough to take a census.

The 3/5 compromise was actually made due to pressure from the North. The South wanted each slave to count as one vote because that would cause their share of the House of Representatives to skyrocket. The anti-slavery proponents of the North knew that this would result in the South blocking any attempts at abolition so demanded that the slaves not be counted at all. The 3/5 compromise was just that, a middle ground between the two sides. Given that this was a measure to hinder power in the southern states, I doubt it was maintained once the CSA was formed...

I really do apologize for this. History discussions are the Interdictor to my hyperspace route.

Rabababa back on topic. So I have to wonder how the show is going to end? I'm sure that Hera will be rescued and the TIE Defender facility will be destroyed. But that will take 1-2 episodes at the most. I doubt that everybody is going to eventually split to go their separate ways, there's still an Empire to fight. The only thing really left in the story is to free Lothal, but that really isn't possible with an Imperial fleet in orbit. The whole of the Rebels crew now seems to be stuck on Lothal with no Ghost, the Rebel fleet is still licking its wounds, and the starfighter corps is likely unable/unwilling to mount another attack.

I know for sure that Dave isn't going to let the series end on a sour note so no major hero deaths this late in the game. That also means no extermination of Lothal by Thrawn's fleet. That leaves either liberation or kicking the can down the road as there simply aren't enough episodes left to start another story arc. I'm guessing that the crew, following the destruction of the TIE facility, manage to incite the populace of Lothal to riot resulting in the Empire losing control of the surface of the planet and possibly losing Governor Price as she tries to save her career by suppressing the rioters. I'd imagine that Thrawn would ready his fleet to bombard the planet in response when something drives him off. It can't be the Alliance, as that would be 'their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire'.

I'm going to seriously facepalm if Thrawn is defeated and Lothal is liberated by the stinking wolves... There's just no other deus ex vi to spring in this late in the game without getting shoehorned in outside of Ahsoka. And she isn't really the type to solo a whole fleet of Star Destroyers. In any case, we're likely to get an ending where Lothal is liberated and something keeps the Empire from just coming back with an even bigger fleet and glassing it.

2 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Snipped for length

I agree to an extent. Depending on where they want to take Thrawn in the future, his actions here are pretty clear. I won't go into the spoilers of his book, but he's not your typical Imperial leader to just glass a city and it's population. I doubt Lothal is liberated, the rebels never really "liberate" planets, they just don't have the manpower or fleets to protect them. It's not until after Endor that this becomes plausible.

It's obvious the defender program is shut down, or at the very least stalled. Nothing major enough to call it a victory, it's already cost them a fleet with thousands of lives, multiple squadrons (including X-Wings,) most of their pilots, and possibly a main character (I think they may kill a character for emotional effect, Dave was always ready to kill of characters in Clone Wars.)

As for a Deus ex moment, I'm wondering if the Mon Calamari and their new B-Wings rush to the rescue. It's been how long since the B-Wing prototype episode? They have the Home One in the series, haven't seen much of it.

I'm also curious if they are going to go back to Saw, maybe we see what turned him into a walking iron lung.

It's also getting near that time for Biggs to make an appearance. Perhaps an episode or two dedicated to recruiting replacement pilots.

1 hour ago, Gadgetron said:

I'm also curious if they are going to go back to Saw, maybe we see what turned him into a walking iron lung.

I think this is a given, it would be awkward if they do not show this, unless the next show is about Saw.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I think this is a given, it would be awkward if they do not show this, unless the next show is about Saw.

Oh god please no. He's just not that interesting.

1 hour ago, Gadgetron said:

It's obvious the defender program is shut down, or at the very least stalled. Nothing major enough to call it a victory, it's already cost them a fleet with thousands of lives, multiple squadrons (including X-Wings,) most of their pilots, and possibly a main character (I think they may kill a character for emotional effect, Dave was always ready to kill of characters in Clone Wars.)

As for a Deus ex moment, I'm wondering if the Mon Calamari and their new B-Wings rush to the rescue. It's been how long since the B-Wing prototype episode? They have the Home One in the series, haven't seen much of it.

Getting the Mon Cala involved is a fair point. Whilst they don't show up in A New Hope, since Rogue One it's established that at least one (big) Mon Cala warship was in the rebel inventory and we've yet to see any sign of them that I've noticed. (there might have been some answering Mon Mothma's call to action? Can't remember).

I think the defender programme is going to die to "budget cuts" given the quote about stardust/krennic from Tarkin in the trailers, but there surely needs to be something more significant to wrap up the story. I honestly expected more of a story to explain where the X-wings came from since they just seemed to 'turn up' this episode.