STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!

By KCDodger, in X-Wing

9 hours ago, xanderf said:

Eh...Hera was name-dropped in Rogue One . She was paged over the intercom at Yavin 4 during the movie. So 'that she survives the Rebels TV series' has been known for some time. (As does Chopper and the Ghost - also all in the RotJ short, which may or may not be a coincidence)

The Syndula name was called out in Rogue One. It could be her father instead.

Yeah hundred percent confirmed to be Hera. Is there room for that to change? Absolutely but then Forces of Destiny obliterated any form of tension her capture may have.

32 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Yeah hundred percent confirmed to be Hera. Is there room for that to change? Absolutely but then Forces of Destiny obliterated any form of tension her capture may have.

Star Wars has never changed anything, ever!

But what a turn it would have been to know that Hera was executed by Thrawn and "General Syndulla" in Rogue One was actually her father. Only those who watched Rebels would know the sad truth. Since we saw Chopper, it could have been him flying the Ghost in battle and that's why it wasn't doing as crazy of maneuvers.

From the Star Wars: Rebels Team:


Lock s-foils in attack position... but only for a wider field of fire. Not because you have to in order for your laser cannons to work. 1f913.png ?

1 hour ago, HaranHaste said:

Star Wars has never changed anything, ever!

But what a turn it would have been to know that Hera was executed by Thrawn and "General Syndulla" in Rogue One was actually her father. Only those who watched Rebels would know the sad truth. Since we saw Chopper, it could have been him flying the Ghost in battle and that's why it wasn't doing as crazy of maneuvers.

Or maybe the General is her clone, Heraa Syndulla?

X-Wing Air Brakes.

I think Hera learned that move from seeing her squadron decimated by Vader. I remember him pulling a sharp k-turn like that and blasting away a bunch of A-Wings. She's smart enough to learn from stuff like that. Nice little call-back.

Was weird seeing them fire with s-foils closed though.

There's precedent for it going all the way back to the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Artoo fires the x-wing's cannons with the wings closed to save Luke from C'baoth.

Just sayin...

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41 minutes ago, Gullwind said:

There's precedent for it going all the way back to the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Artoo fires the x-wing's cannons with the wings closed to save Luke from C'baoth.

Just sayin...

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5 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Or maybe the General is her clone, Heraa Syndulla?

I think the standard clone name wouuld force it to be Synduulla.

Seriously who inside or ouutside of the Star Wars uuniverse thouught that was anything but stuupid? If Luuke was cloned so youu had a clone of a clone wouuld it be Luuuke? How far couuld youu stretch that gag ouuuuuuuuuuut?

1 minute ago, flyboymb said:

I think the standard clone name wouuld force it to be Synduulla.

Seriously who inside or ouutside of the Star Wars uuniverse thouught that was anything but stuupid? If Luuke was cloned so youu had a clone of a clone wouuld it be Luuuke? How far couuld youu stretch that gag ouuuuuuuuuuut?

Maybe all the clones are Canadian?

Of course, if clones can add on to any vowel and Palp's clones used the same rule, we'd be up to Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev by the time he finally died.

Just now, flyboymb said:

Of course, if clones can add on to any vowel and Palp's clones used the same rule, we'd be up to Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev by the time he finally died.

Or Fraaaaaaaaaaaaaank... or The Senaaaaaaaaaaaaate.... or Too Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak...

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28 minutes ago, flyboymb said:

If Luuke was cloned so youu had a clone of a clone wouuld it be Luuuke?

Pretty sure there was actually a "Luuuke" in a joke story.

10 hours ago, Democratus said:

The Syndula name was called out in Rogue One. It could be her father instead.

It isn't. Cham is still at Ryloth, and The Ghost is at Scarif. That's a very 1+1 scenario, no offense.

5 hours ago, InterceptorMad said:

I think Hera learned that move from seeing her squadron decimated by Vader. I remember him pulling a sharp k-turn like that and blasting away a bunch of A-Wings. She's smart enough to learn from stuff like that. Nice little call-back.

Was weird seeing them fire with s-foils closed though.

Bingo! Was super neato.

17 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Yeah, double down instead of taking 5 seconds to fix it. That's endearing...

You labeled something a "huge spoiler" in the Rebels thread. The natural response to that for most people is to go "Well, I'm all caught up on Rebels atm, so whatever that spoiler is, I've already seen it, so it's safe for me to click it!"

Then it's a spoiler for something else entirely that they may not have already experienced.

Dangerous assumption to make, really.

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13 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

From the Star Wars: Rebels Team:

That, combined with the general 'not as clumsy or random as a blaster' line, makes me really very seriously question the accuracy of Star Wars beam weapons. I mean, normally with a gun, 'wide field of fire' is the WORST THING EVER, and you'd much rather have a single shot that, ya know, goes where you aim it . Which is why basically no fighter since the 1960s has had more than a single gun on it - because being able to aim a single bullet accurately is VASTLY better than spraying a wall of lead around.

I mean, for real, I'm starting to think a single infantryman with an M16, covered by an F-18 flying CAP, could cleanse the surface of every world in the Star Wars setting of any army they wanted to fight...

Just managed to find the time to watch the latest episode on the ol' DVR. It was decent to be sure, but there were a few gripes I had that brought the episode down from the realm of really enjoyable to entertaining.

1. The ghost of Konstantine possesses Thrawn and Skerris

So I'm guessing that the only reason that Thrawn decided to fire upon an expensive prototype with a veteran pilot in it is that a) a single X-Wing can threaten a Star Destroyer or b) he just REALLY doesn't like having his orders ignored. I guess now that he doesn't have any bungling officers to thwart his plans the show has to start making him bungle things himself. Given how the episode ended, we're not to the point of 'that pesky Thrawn' yet, but would it really have killed him to just divert some power to the deflectors and let Skerris line up his shot?

2. Plot armor

The TIE Defender's weaponry was blowing through the shields of the X-Wings if not popping them in a single hit. And yet when Thrawn opens fire, and the fire comes from the main batteries, the same batteries that are meant to obliterate opposing ships of the line, a direct hit merely takes down the shields of the X-Wing and the Defender. Great job to the gunnery team for being able to make two of those shots connect (even if one was blue on blue), but I'm really starting to wonder about the firepower of an ISD in the new canon.

3. Random mercy

Hi, I'm Hera Syndulla. Today I just blew up multiple TIE pilots including one of the most senior in the task force. In doing so, I also killed off the crew of a light cruiser and likely killed at least a couple thousand crew on a Star Destroyer. I then came down here and turned a stormtrooper into roadkill after braining the driver of an assault speeder. But you mister walker pilot? You get to be stunned today. Because we wouldn't want people to think I'm a cold blooded killer right?

4. More wolves

Because we can't have an episode go by these days without Filoni getting his fetish tickled.

All in all, not too bad. The Empire manages to regain about half the competency that it lost in that fight. I'm even more convinced that Kanan got the kiss of death from Hera now that he's getting his game plan from the wolves.

15 minutes ago, xanderf said:

That, combined with the general 'not as clumsy or random as a blaster' line, makes me really very seriously question the accuracy of Star Wars beam weapons. I mean, normally with a gun, 'wide field of fire' is the WORST THING EVER, and you'd much rather have a single shot that, ya know, goes where you aim it . Which is why basically no fighter since the 1960s has had more than a single gun on it - because being able to aim a single bullet accurately is VASTLY better than spraying a wall of lead around.

I mean, for real, I'm starting to think a single infantryman with an M16, covered by an F-18 flying CAP, could cleanse the surface of every world in the Star Wars setting of any army they wanted to fight...

Eh, the lack of guns on modern fighters has more to do with advances in guided missiles than then inefficiency of massed guns. It's more of a begrudging concession after the F4 showed the various air forces that a missile only aircraft fared rather poorly if something managed to get into close range. Still not going to sacrifice anymore weight or space than absolutely necessary though.

In Star Wars on the other hand, dogfighting is the standard rather than standing off and lobbing warheads. Having a good spread on the lasers is therefore beneficial to help ensure that you get a hit when your target is trying to evade you.

2 hours ago, xanderf said:

That, combined with the general 'not as clumsy or random as a blaster' line, makes me really very seriously question the accuracy of Star Wars beam weapons. I mean, normally with a gun, 'wide field of fire' is the WORST THING EVER, and you'd much rather have a single shot that, ya know, goes where you aim it . Which is why basically no fighter since the 1960s has had more than a single gun on it - because being able to aim a single bullet accurately is VASTLY better than spraying a wall of lead around.

I mean, for real, I'm starting to think a single infantryman with an M16, covered by an F-18 flying CAP, could cleanse the surface of every world in the Star Wars setting of any army they wanted to fight...

Star fighter guns with offer a linked modus, need have at least 5° of target tracking to allow for auto-convergence of their shot. Without that, it can be a huge pain to hit with more than one shot or even worse at long shots past the (fixed) convergence point you will lose completely the ability to hit where you aim. Moving the S-Foils together without adjusting the angle of the canons should lead to a closer convergence point and limits the arc of possible convergence points.

And thrust me, firing guns without convergence is a huge pain, especially when distance vary as wide as from 10m to 1000m shots. Having a target directly in front of you and missing all 4 shots because the target is smaller than the spread between your 4 shots and literally missing to the left, right, top and bottom in a single volley can piss of people quite a lot. If X-Wings would use a single gun this would not be an issue, but they use 4 laser cannons :)

2 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Eh, the lack of guns on modern fighters has more to do with advances in guided missiles than then inefficiency of massed guns. It's more of a begrudging concession after the F4 showed the various air forces that a missile only aircraft fared rather poorly if something managed to get into close range. Still not going to sacrifice anymore weight or space than absolutely necessary though.

In Star Wars on the other hand, dogfighting is the standard rather than standing off and lobbing warheads. Having a good spread on the lasers is therefore beneficial to help ensure that you get a hit when your target is trying to evade you.

In real fight you don't want to pray for RNGesus, you want to hit where you aim.

MGs were mounted in the wings of many WW2 planes not to "improve" spread but because the engine limits the space in the nose, and the propeller gets in the way reducing the rate of fire, so it's a trade off between accuracy and rate of fire.

Planes which weren't restricted by the frontal engine and propeller, like those with pusher propellers and engine in the back, twin engine designs, and jet fighters went for guns close together, and more importantly, close to the centerline, in basically every case.

Missiles aside, modern jets don't have many guns because rotary cannons and revolver cannons have extreme rate of fire. WW2 autocannons like HS 404, ShVAK, and MG 151 have a rate of fire of 700-800 RPM, M61 Vulcan... 4000-6000 RPM with the same caliber, while 30mm cannons achieve 1300-2500 RPM.

18 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

From the Star Wars: Rebels Team:

I think the Rebels team is wrong. S-Foils simply don't change in angle enough for "wider spread" to be the real reason, especially when the shots will be focused in anyway.

Personally, I'm still going with the "heat dissipation" idea.

5 hours ago, xanderf said:

That, combined with the general 'not as clumsy or random as a blaster' line, makes me really very seriously question the accuracy of Star Wars beam weapons. I mean, normally with a gun, 'wide field of fire' is the WORST THING EVER, and you'd much rather have a single shot that, ya know, goes where you aim it . Which is why basically no fighter since the 1960s has had more than a single gun on it - because being able to aim a single bullet accurately is VASTLY better than spraying a wall of lead around.

I mean, for real, I'm starting to think a single infantryman with an M16, covered by an F-18 flying CAP, could cleanse the surface of every world in the Star Wars setting of any army they wanted to fight...

Concerning blasters vs M-16s, I think you're relying a bit much on American/NATO military doctrine of every infantryman being a marksman. The Soviets took a more "throw enough lead in the air and some of it's bound to come down on the enemy" approach. I may not like that strategy much, but it's hard to deny that they had some success from it.

Watched the final episodes (finally) last night with my boy. He loved it and was upset when i said it was the mid season finale.

Now I want to give him some more rebel toys to play with and one thing he wants is Ryders U wing and Hera's X wing. does anyone have any screen grabs of them i can use for reference? I'm happy to start cutting up the u wing for it but need a reference point. and need a reference for Hera.

Got a sneak peek at the next episode

In Bladerunner 2049, Harrison Ford doesn't die

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54 minutes ago, McFoy said:

Got a sneak peek at the next episode

In Bladerunner 2049, Harrison Ford doesn't die

:mellow: If you care about Bladerunner 2049 spoilers, don't open the spoiler tab...Thanks dude.

16 hours ago, flyboymb said:

Of course, if clones can add on to any vowel and Palp's clones used the same rule, we'd be up to Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev by the time he finally died.

*Insert the wire reference here*