3 minutes ago, eMeM said:"Can withstand a single shot of fighter grade light laser cannon" also isn't a thing anymore. In this show X-wings have better shields than CR-90.
Dramatic freedom to show and cut accordingly to the format. 20 minutes show does not have the time to keep shooting over and over at the shields before getting the same narrative result.
And I hate that myself too.
accidental double post.
Edited by IronlordJust now, eMeM said:"Can withstand a single shot of fighter grade light laser cannon" also isn't a thing anymore. In this show X-wings have better shields than CR-90.
Are you thinking of the scene in The Antilles Extraction? I was under the impression that Interceptor cannons are heavy, not light.
Cool episode. They need to release a "Rebels Rogues" pack with an X wing and a Y wing, but with cards for A wings and B wings (a la most wanted) putting the characters from Rebels in all the classic ships. Include some fixes and....
Oh well,
Dream on.....
21 minutes ago, Ironlord said:Are you thinking of the scene in The Antilles Extraction? I was under the impression that Interceptor cannons are heavy, not light.
They don't look heavy copared to for example X-wing, but yeah, that was what I was thinking about. There was also an episode with a TIE/x1 destroying a Pelta-class frigate, and another one with madalorians destroying the Interdictor with pistols (which means Interdictor's amour is worse than stormtrooper armour, because in Rebels handguns can't pierce stormtrooper armour).
30 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Dramatic freedom to show and cut accordingly to the format. 20 minutes show does not have the time to keep shooting over and over at the shields before getting the same narrative result.
And I hate that myself too.
If they want a narrative result of a CR-90 (in AA configuration with quad turbolasers) having to run for its life they should use at least an Arghkittens!, not a TIE Interceptor.
12 hours ago, JJFDVORAK said:Back to Rebels....
Am I the only one who thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Ruhk fought Hera multiple times this episode in hand to hand and didn't instantly destroy her? She held her own way more than she had any right to do. He should have just fought her once and owned her instantly.
and she appeared to be injured in the crash. 2 minutes later she's fine.
For this season so far it was an okay episode. At least they lost, but the tension is not that great since we know Hera made it to the Battle of Endor. At least it has some continuity with Rogue One. Shows why they were so reluctant to commit naval forces against the Imperials because the last time they did they got annihilated.
Edited by Jo JoAccording to the Rebels Recon Hera is a better pilot than Poe...so uh PS 9 I guess for her too?
X-Wings magically appear, Hera is magically a general. I feel like there is an untold story that is going to be told either through flashbacks or through another format/series.
2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:Because no one plays him..
Ouch, right in the childhood lol
I know we like Hera because she is our mom etc.
But this episode kinda bugged me. I'm fine with her being a good commander and pilot. That has been established in the series so far, and that's what she has been doing most of the time.
What I am not fine with is her wolverine like healing abilities and unarmed expertise. Why can she go toe to toe with a trained assassin (who is soo awesome, he is Thrawn's personal hitman)????
It's fine if she can "defeat" him using her smarts, or something unexpected... but having comparable combat skills? eh... she is getting a bit Sabine-y.
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3 hours ago, eMeM said:If they want a narrative result of a CR-90 (in AA configuration with quad turbolasers) having to run for its life they should use at least an Arghkittens!, not a TIE Interceptor.
Low amounts of turbo lasers are basically worthless as defense against small and agil fighters piloted by any ace, no matter if imperial or alliance. A single X-Wing is enough to give an ISD trench sickness. An single ace interceptor is more than a match for a CR90.
Hera gets destroyed by Ruhk. Even when he goes in 3 vs 1 he still pressure them into running from him. And he nails her the second she loses her numbers advantage.
I'm also very happy that the Ghost crew was not involved in getting the X-wings for the Alliance. Gotta leave something for all the other rebel groups to contribute. I'm willing to bet a novel will be coming along that fills in that particular story.
Sooooo.... what are the odds the unannounced SKU is a Rebels themed X-wing pack with Hera and extra copies of Flight Assist Astro?
2 hours ago, Wiredin said:X-Wings magically appear, Hera is magically a general. I feel like there is an untold story that is going to be told either through flashbacks or through another format/series.
Hera is phoenix leader and a general since a while now.
1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:Low amounts of turbo lasers are basically worthless as defense against small and agil fighters piloted by any ace, no matter if imperial or alliance. A single X-Wing is enough to give an ISD trench sickness. An single ace interceptor is more than a match for a CR90.
Hera gets destroyed by Ruhk. Even when he goes in 3 vs 1 he still pressure them into running from him. And he nails her the second she loses her numbers advantage.
Yeah, that's why some corvettes instead of two big barrels have four smaller ones... like the one in that episode. CR-90 is also equipped with laser cannons for anti-fighter duty... and goddamn shields which shouldn't get pierced by the first shot of a light fighter.
If fighters were untouchable to capships, and at the same time able to efortlessly destroy them, why would anyone use anything bigger than an X-wing?
3 hours ago, Wiredin said:X-Wings magically appear, Hera is magically a general. I feel like there is an untold story that is going to be told either through flashbacks or through another format/series.
I hope it's Anime. I want some Hera fan service LOL.
The Rebel Alliance seems to confer rank through some kind of arbitrary process. They made Lando a general to reward him for going to get Han. Luke blew up the Death Star and is only a commander. During the Clone Wars, Jedi who have heretofore displayed zero tactical, strategic, or leadership abilities are assigned to lead legions of clones. Don't even get me started on the rest of this Mary Sue era.
It's best not to think about it. It's just too darn stupid sometimes.
45 minutes ago, eMeM said:If fighters were untouchable to capships, and at the same time able to efortlessly destroy them, why would anyone use anything bigger than an X-wing?
Aces are high in demand, but low in availability. And fighters don't do well in orbital blockades, bombardments, troop transport, cargo transport, troop coordination, fighter maintenance, force projection and a bunch of other things.
We switched from battleships to carriers for a reason and imperial class star destroyers still have 72 fighters locked and loaded. Republican star destroyers had even more fighters loaded.
And a quad-turbolaser is still a turbolaser. Now quad-laser turrets are pretty solid against fighters, but have a low range, not useable for orbital bombardment at all and do little damage against the larger, heavy armored capitals like imperial or republican star destroyers … which bring for that reason turbolasers. Meanwhile turbolasers on a CR90 are perfectly valid against freighters used by pirates, mercs and bounty-hunters. So a valid tool for self-defense, but lacking against military fighters which usually are a lot smaller and too short operational ranges to be used by pirates.
On 01/11/2017 at 4:19 AM, DarthEnderX said:
Can we just take a moment to note that once again Green Squadron seem to have made an unacknowledged token appearance... Only to be utterly decimated. Poor sods... I assume losses like this are why they seem to have been amalgamated with Pheonix by Scarif (hence the icons on the helmets?)
(Sorry about whatever that mess in the post above is, phone went weird and posted it with a quote which I now can't delete, or add anything outside the quote box).
Edited by Arterial Spray2 hours ago, gamblertuba said:I'm also very happy that the Ghost crew was not involved in getting the X-wings for the Alliance. Gotta leave something for all the other rebel groups to contribute. I'm willing to bet a novel will be coming along that fills in that particular story.
Sooooo.... what are the odds the unannounced SKU is a Rebels themed X-wing pack with Hera and extra copies of Flight Assist Astro?
You know, Rex and Kallus have to have been up to something. We might yet see some Rebels cast involvement in the X-Wing aquisition, perhaps the first few episodes of the second half of the season will be parallel to the Lothal arc.
43 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Aces are high in demand, but low in availability. And fighters don't do well in orbital blockades, bombardments, troop transport, cargo transport, troop coordination, fighter maintenance, force projection and a bunch of other things.
We switched from battleships to carriers for a reason and imperial class star destroyers still have 72 fighters locked and loaded. Republican star destroyers had even more fighters loaded.And a quad-turbolaser is still a turbolaser. Now quad-laser turrets are pretty solid against fighters, but have a low range, not useable for orbital bombardment at all and do little damage against the larger, heavy armored capitals like imperial or republican star destroyers … which bring for that reason turbolasers. Meanwhile turbolasers on a CR90 are perfectly valid against freighters used by pirates, mercs and bounty-hunters. So a valid tool for self-defense, but lacking against military fighters which usually are a lot smaller and too short operational ranges to be used by pirates.
You don't need to be an ace if you are unhittable, have shields stronget than a heavy cruiser, and weapons capable of destroying targets a thousand times larger.
ISD and MC-80 fighter complements are tiny when compared to Clone Wars ships (and comparable to laughably small real world aircraft carriers), which suggests that wartime experiences resulted in less reliance on fighters. If fighters were ultimate solution to warfare Rebels shows them to be, we would see ships looking much more like actual carriers with no weapons (real world carriers only carry defensive armament, and it doesn't exist in Star Wars apparently if a CR-90 is unable to destroy a single target), instead of battleships with a dozen fighters thrown in as an afterthought.
Edited by eMeM6 minutes ago, eMeM said:You don't need to be an ace if you are unhittable, have shields stronget than a heavy cruiser, and weapons capable of destroying targets a thousand times larger.
ISD and MC-80 fighter complements are tiny when compared to Clone Wars ships (and comparable to laughably small real world aircraft carriers), which suggests that wartime experiences resulted in less reliance on fighters. If fighters were ultimate solution to warfare Rebels shows them to be, we would see ships looking much more like actual carriers with no weapons (real world carriers only carry defensive armament, and it doesn't exist in Star Wars apparently if a CR-90 is unable to destroy a single target), instead of battleships with a dozen fighters thrown in as an afterthought.
Today's carriers carry aircraft. An ISD carries a whole army of stormtroopers, modular bases, walkers, and ships to land all of these. And a full wing of fighters. And supplies in terms of fuel, food, munitions and ordnance for all of these.
An ISD is not a carrier. The Venator is a carrier.
24 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:Today's carriers carry aircraft. An ISD carries a whole army of stormtroopers, modular bases, walkers, and ships to land all of these. And a full wing of fighters. And supplies in terms of fuel, food, munitions and ordnance for all of these.
An ISD is not a carrier. The Venator is a carrier.
Exactly, the Empire doesn't have pure carriers, which is illogical if the fighters are so powerful one can solo a frigate.
EDIT And even Venator is more akin to Soviet "heavy aviation cruisers" sacrificing a lot of space for heavy offensive armament.
Edited by eMeM2 minutes ago, eMeM said:Exactly, the Empire doesn't have pure carriers, which is illogical if the fighters are so powerful one can solo a frigate.
They do though - the Quasar Fire carriers/cruisers. We saw them in Rebels as the captured ship Phoenix Nest.
Just now, Batinthebelfry72 said:They do though - th e Quasar Fire carriers/cruisers. We saw them in Rebels as the captured ship Phoenix Nest.
Small and rarely used, never seen in any fleet action, the only example we've seen was just sitting if orbit of a defenceless planet, launching bombers.
4 hours ago, gamblertuba said:I'm also very happy that the Ghost crew was not involved in getting the X-wings for the Alliance. Gotta leave something for all the other rebel groups to contribute. I'm willing to bet a novel will be coming along that fills in that particular story.
Sooooo.... what are the odds the unannounced SKU is a Rebels themed X-wing pack with Hera and extra copies of Flight Assist Astro?
Yeah I can think of at least two more X-Wing pilots they can add to that as well, and now I know why it's taken so long. Huge BATTLEFRONT spoilers ahead, you have been warned.
Iden Versio is Rebel Scum. So is her buddy Del. But they're both good pilots and both have X-Wings. They have very, very **** good reasons for leaving The Empire but there you go. Iden as an X-Wing pilot makes a load of sense to include as well.