58 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

Yeah, the jump through the hanger bay was so completely unnecessary. They saw it in TFAs and had to put it in the show somehow.

I haven't really seen it mentioned, but Ezra essentially let the lizard captain die. Seems like another foreshadowing of darker things to come for him.

Rule of Cool on the hyperspace jump through the hanger, but I do agree, it was unnecessary. And the way the lizard Captain was handled was ridiculous, and not for the way you are saying, but just for the Rebels being unable to keep him contained. They let him sound the alarm, then Zeb(who is 10 times stronger) lets him get away and Ezra has to clothes line him. Then they can't keep him quite, while they are talking to the other Mining Guild guys, and then he escapes. Ridiculous for our heros.

42 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Ezra's had some pretty dark places in the past - though in late 3 and throughout 4 he's been pretty well grounded. Start of S3 Ezra would have pushed that little ****er into the mouth. I think letting your enemy destroy himself is okay in the Jedi playbook though.

Yeah, Ezra has been alot more reserved about randomly killing troopers and stuff, but the way he handles the lizard Captain is silly. They all go way to easy on him and they almost pay dearly for it. But you are right, early season 3 Ezra would have force pushed him into the fire!

Am I the only one that just always assumed that Hera and Kanan were together? I wasn't aware them finally kissing was supposed to be a big deal.

And yeah, Kanan is totally gonna ****ing die. The wolf is even telling him he's doomed, and he thinks it's just trying to say his name.

11 hours ago, Sir Orrin said:

Regarding the Imperial gunship topic, I think it is a cool ship but it would have to be really flimsly, like TIE fighter flimsy. an extremly cheap support ship would be interesting.

I could see it being the Empire's HWK-290.

But in all honestly, until they add boarding actions to the game, I don't think it needs to get added at all.

1 hour ago, JJFDVORAK said:

And the way the lizard Captain was handled was ridiculous, and not for the way you are saying, but just for the Rebels being unable to keep him contained. They let him sound the alarm, then Zeb(who is 10 times stronger) lets him get away and Ezra has to clothes line him. Then they can't keep him quite, while they are talking to the other Mining Guild guys, and then he escapes. Ridiculous for our heros.

COMPLETELY agree. It was soooo dumb. The fact that that guy got to interrupt Ezra's performance THREE times. What the **** was Zeb even doing!

5 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

I could see it being the Empire's HWK-290.

But in all honestly, until they add boarding actions to the game, I don't think it needs to get added at all.

I think the TIE Scout should still be the Imperial HWK.

2 hours ago, Jo Jo said:

Yeah, the jump through the hanger bay was so completely unnecessary. They saw it in TFAs and had to put it in the show somehow.

I haven't really seen it mentioned, but Ezra essentially let the lizard captain die. Seems like another foreshadowing of darker things to come for him.

I honestly thought the hyperspace jump was awesome. I like that we're getting alternative Hyperspace jumps.

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In regards to Tarkin saying that The Jedi are basically dead by ANH, I dunno how exactly they're going to play that out in Rebels. But I don't exactly suspect they're going to kill off Ezra and Kanan.

But I do know they're not gonna be around, one way or another, for the rest of The Rebellion's activities. There's really no way they can. But they don't really even have to die, either. In regards to the new episodes...

I think Rukh is neat. Should be a solid villain for us to have to see do his thing- he's been reasonably formidable thus far. I did very much like the World Devastator callback as well- and it makes perfect sense, machine like that. The episodes are good- and that consistently surprises me given the terrible precedent Season 4's opening set.

11 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I think the TIE Scout should still be the Imperial HWK.

I got my Imperial HWK:

https://imgur.com/a/VMKSf

14 minutes ago, weisguy119 said:

I got my Imperial HWK:

https://imgur.com/a/VMKSf

Good man. I think I can recall my stat line for it..? 1/3/3/2? With a decent dial too. Except, instead of a turret or cannon slot to increase its attack, I figured it should have a (or two) system slot(s). Plus a retrofit card that makes one of them a Tech slot. There'd definitely be ways to utilize this. The idea was to have a craft that could act as an AWACS, maybe even having one pilot ability being able to hand a free target lock to every ally within range 2. Requires a LITTLE bit of formation flying or close quarters use but frees up the attack's actions. Stuff like that.

2 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Am I the only one that just always assumed that Hera and Kanan were together? I wasn't aware them finally kissing was supposed to be a big deal.

There has always been tension, but neither of them had the time to actually commit to a romantic involvement, and from the start of the series, they were both not 'there' yet as far as definitive interest in pursuing more. The characters had to grow, and grow closer, but it was always in the background.

2 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

In regards to Tarkin saying that The Jedi are basically dead by ANH, I dunno how exactly they're going to play that out in Rebels. But I don't exactly suspect they're going to kill off Ezra and Kanan.

People seem to really over-analyze that line from ANH.

First, at the time of filming and scripting nobody knew that there were other living members of the former Jedi Order. Even if they did know (or suspect) there clearly were too few of them and no clear attempt to rally them as a force against the Empire. The line is a drop in the bucket of the whole of Star Wars continuity, and trying to make sure that everything written afterwards takes every little line like that literally and as though it were made by an omniscient speaker is a fool's errand.

Second, now that we do know it there's no reason to think that the line means any more than Tarkin dismissing a couple of surviving ex-Jedi as anything worth taking into consideration at the scale the Empire is working. He is literally standing in a conference room aboard a planet-destroying super weapon when he says that the Jedi are gone. A couple of living 'Jedi' doesn't mean squat against that kind of power and scale in his estimation (and his military history would back up that stance - the Jedi did well as leaders and agents during the Clone Wars, but they only did what Tarkin would consider to be real, meaningful, lasting work with an army behind them).

12 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Good man. I think I can recall my stat line for it..? 1/3/3/2? With a decent dial too. Except, instead of a turret or cannon slot to increase its attack, I figured it should have a (or two) system slot(s). Plus a retrofit card that makes one of them a Tech slot. There'd definitely be ways to utilize this. The idea was to have a craft that could act as an AWACS, maybe even having one pilot ability being able to hand a free target lock to every ally within range 2. Requires a LITTLE bit of formation flying or close quarters use but frees up the attack's actions. Stuff like that.

I’m going to use mine to dole out free target locks to all allies. I also have a TIE Vanguard. T hey’ll both play a role in my TIE Fighter prototype facility/asteroid base Epic scenario where Thrawn lays a trap for an attacking Rebel force.

On 11/6/2017 at 4:30 PM, JJFDVORAK said:

Maybe, but Disney does seem to care about a cohesive cannon, and none of the Specters are in the OT. Also they just killed the entire cast of a major movie because they weren't in the OT, so I don't think the "It's Disney" argument really works.

Except that it's now canon that Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost survived and even were on Endor after the destruction of the second Death Star.

53 minutes ago, Aaron Foss said:

People seem to really over-analyze that line from ANH.

First, at the time of filming and scripting nobody knew that there were other living members of the former Jedi Order. Even if they did know (or suspect) there clearly were too few of them and no clear attempt to rally them as a force against the Empire. The line is a drop in the bucket of the whole of Star Wars continuity, and trying to make sure that everything written afterwards takes every little line like that literally and as though it were made my an omniscient speaker is a fool's errand.

Second, now that we do know it there's no reason to think that the line means any more than Tarkin dismissing a couple of surviving ex-Jedi as anything worth taking into consideration at the scale the Empire is working. He is literally standing in a conference room aboard a planet-destroying super weapon when he says that the Jedi are gone. A couple of living 'Jedi' doesn't mean squat against that kind of power and scale in his estimation (and his military history would back up that stance - the Jedi did well as leaders and agents during the Clone Wars, but they only did what Tarkin would consider to be real, meaningful, lasting work with an army behind them).

Unfortunately lines in movies have meaning and consequences. They didn't know in ANH that Vader was Luke's father when they had Obi-Wan talk about Vader killing Luke's father. So they had to shoehorn in a facepalm moment that makes it look like Obi-Wan was caught in a lie in RotJ. Luke asked Leia about her real mother and later there had to be another facepalm explanation about how Leia had some Force connection with her mother after she was born but right before she died or got feelings in the womb that Luke didn't somehow.

If Tarkin hadn't been in Rebels, you could excuse him for not knowing about Kanan or Ezra just as he didn't know about Obi-Wan and Yoda. But again he sat right across from Kanan in a gunship and had the other lightsaber wielding Rebel help blow up his flagship helping Kanan escape. You don't just forget the people who caused that kind of annoyance to you.

And yet there he is, on the Death Star, saying that the Jedi were wiped out not once but 3 times.

The Jedi are extinct.

Their fire has gone out of the universe.

You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.

The first two comments alone could possibly be forgiven as saying that the Jedi were an insignificant speck at this point (although extinct has a very exact meaning in that there are no survivors). But the last one specifically paints Vader as the last member of their 'religion'. This brings up issues of how much Tarkin knows about Palpatine, but the real question is does Tarkin consider Vader a Jedi? Of course not. But Vader is a guy that frequently hacks at people with a laser sword and moves stuff around with a wave of his hand. Who else did that? The annoying guys that Grand Moff Tarkin was killing his officers off for because they couldn't catch them while they were swinging their laser swords and throwing stuff around with a wave of their hands.

Let's face it. The galaxy at large was never too knowledgeable about the intricacies of the different levels of the Jedi Order. Anybody, Padawan or Knight, that had a glowstick was likely to be called Master Jedi by the general population. The Empire, in an era where the Jedi Order no longer exists, likely cares even less about who the dead members of the Jedi Council would actually consider to be Jedi or not. Thrawn, likely the most cunning and one of the most intelligent officers in the Empire, frequently has called both Kanan and Ezra 'the Jedi' in his encounters with them. Nobody stopped him to explain that he was using the wrong titles for them, because as far as the Empire is concerned if you're waving around a glowstick and it isn't red, you're a Jedi.

As people who have watched the movies, read the books, and seen all the backstories, we get the benefit of having a measure of omniscience when it comes to the storyline. We cannot however assume that the characters in this story have that same knowledge. Tarkin knows about Kanan and Ezra, he knows about their abilities, and he says that everybody of that 'religion' besides Vader is dead. That doesn't call for Ezra just retiring his lightsaber to hang out with Sabine. That calls for both of them to be either dead or caught up in such a destructive event that a reasonable person would assume that they were dead. Tarkin is many things, but he's not a senile fool who forgets his enemies.

4 hours ago, JJFDVORAK said:

Rule of Cool on the hyperspace jump through the hanger, but I do agree, it was unnecessary. And the way the lizard Captain was handled was ridiculous, and not for the way you are saying, but just for the Rebels being unable to keep him contained. They let him sound the alarm, then Zeb(who is 10 times stronger) lets him get away and Ezra has to clothes line him. Then they can't keep him quite, while they are talking to the other Mining Guild guys, and then he escapes. Ridiculous for our heros.

Yeah, Ezra has been alot more reserved about randomly killing troopers and stuff, but the way he handles the lizard Captain is silly. They all go way to easy on him and they almost pay dearly for it. But you are right, early season 3 Ezra would have force pushed him into the fire!

I will definitely agree it was rather ridiculous that our heroes couldn't contain a wiry trandoshan. It was really kinda dumb, honestly.

But we got payoff by him biting the dust. Killer Queen didn't even have to touch that compactor.

The cynic in me says the lizard guy got to stick around so long because they got Seth Green back in to voice him, so they probably wanted to make sure they got their money's worth. From what I know of animation, scripts and VO work is done way before the actual animating.

3 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Am I the only one that just always assumed that Hera and Kanan were together? I wasn't aware them finally kissing was supposed to be a big deal.

Yeah, it’s been subtlety hinted at they’ve been sort of a thing since season one.

27 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Yeah, it’s been subtlety hinted at they’ve been sort of a thing since season one.

Subtly as in "Ghost crew is like a family, Hera is the mother and Kanan the father".

1 hour ago, flyboymb said:

The first two comments alone could possibly be forgiven as saying that the Jedi were an insignificant speck at this point (although extinct has a very exact meaning in that there are no survivors). But the last one specifically paints Vader as the last member of their 'religion'. This brings up issues of how much Tarkin knows about Palpatine, but the real question is does Tarkin consider Vader a Jedi? Of course not.

Considering Vader a jedi seems fitting for Tarkin. Might not have been defined that way in the OT, but in the prequels content Tarkin becomes friendly with Anakin Skywalker, opposed to the Jedi methods and becomes a close Palpatine. It is rather safe to assume that Vader's identity is known to Tarkin, they are basically old war buddies.

15 minutes ago, eMeM said:

Subtly as in "Ghost crew is like a family, Hera is the mother and Kanan the father".

There’s been a lot more than just the nuclear family trope.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Yeah, it’s been subtlety hinted at they’ve been sort of a thing since season one.

13 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

There’s been a lot more than just the nuclear family trope.

In some episodes, Kanan is mysteriously absent from his cabin while everybody is sleeping (when Ezra is looking for the holocron, for example). Where is he sleeping with then?
When they meet Hera's father, Kanan is acting really out of character. Totally like a teenager meeting his girlfriend's father.
In some occasion Hera says "Come on, make daddy and mommy proud" when talking to Sabine and Ezra.

Kanan and Hera are having a copy of the relationship Han and Leia have. Hera is all in for the Rebellion, while Kanan is in for Hera. This is more evident during the first and early second season. But last chapter he insisted on this idea again.
I find it really strange that people are now saying that it is confirmed that there is something between Kanan and Hera. Wasn't it explicit enough?

1 hour ago, Azrapse said:

I find it really strange that people are now saying that it is confirmed that there is something between Kanan and Hera. Wasn't it explicit enough?

It has nothing to do with 'confirming' a romantic interest that was clear as a bell from the beginning. It's about celebrating that these characters we have come to care about are finally at a place where they can move forward with it. It took a couple of seasons for the characters to grow in the right ways to where they were both able to honestly get to the same place at the same time and say "we are going to make this work now."

It was entirely possibly that Rebels would come to an end without Kanan and Hera actually finding the time to make a real move to go from "people who love each other" to "people actively making a romantic relationship work". With the looming threat of some number of the Ghost family not living out the season finale, it had to happen now, or possibly never happen. The kiss is a way of shorthanding (they only get 22 minutes an episode, after all) that Hera and Kanan are done talking around the issue and are going to make a commitment, so yeah, that's a big deal.

Also of note, depicting a relationship building slowly, requiring that both of the characters grow into making something more than interest a reality is an extremely welcome choice for the show. It shows a level of maturity that easily outstrips the oft-dismissive "Rebels is a kid show" comments.

47 minutes ago, Aaron Foss said:

The kiss is a way of shorthanding (they only get 22 minutes an episode, after all) that Hera and Kanan are done talking around the issue and are going to make a commitment, so yeah, that's a big deal.

Sure. But I would think that Kanan missing from his cabin at sleep time has a stronger implied meaning than them two kissing under a U-wing.
Perhaps it is something cultural that I am missing.
If anything, that kiss felt kind of a goodbye kiss, more than a "now we are couple" kiss.

6 hours ago, weisguy119 said:

I got my Imperial HWK:

https://imgur.com/a/VMKSf

I will drop this :

" A limited production scout craft, the TIE/sr included a hyperdrive, a crew of three and a highly sophisticated sensor suite. "

Remember : Tie agressor, Gunboat was present too on the CG

1 hour ago, Arkanta974 said:

I will drop this :

" A limited production scout craft, the TIE/sr included a hyperdrive, a crew of three and a highly sophisticated sensor suite. "

Remember : Tie agressor, Gunboat was present too on the CG

It's a shame this ship is so ugly...

Subtly hinted? ?

Hera calls Kanan “love “ in like the first episode of Season 1....

Also in regards to them running around with light sabers there were some old stories where non-Jedi smugglers and bounty hunters or even random travelers would use one they found for trophy or intimidation. With how many Jedi fell during the clone wars there are a lot of sabers out there. Just like how force sensitivity does not equal Jedi. I mean it’s one thing if a major general was running around, a drop out cadet isn’t a Jedi. Also as a matter of scale most of the damage done is sabetour level rather than the Jedi level of the clone wars. Making it easier to cover up

8 hours ago, Aaron Foss said:

Also of note, depicting a relationship building slowly, requiring that both of the characters grow into making something more than interest a reality is an extremely welcome choice for the show. It shows a level of maturity that easily outstrips the oft-dismissive "Rebels is a kid show" comments.

Don't get me wrong, but it imo they did not grow their relationship, they were banging right from season 1 episode 1 and were in the middle of a relationship already. They just had recently no time for that, so it becomes a plot point, especially after Kanan got blinded. They never gave to me the vibes of getting together, but as an old couple and iirc the comics had their relationship building slowly already, so basically before rebels started and Ezra joined the team.

7 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

The cynic in me says the lizard guy got to stick around so long because...

Me? What?