Hera is one of the best characters in the Star Wars universe full stop.
STAR WARS: REBELS Discussion Thread!
48 minutes ago, Major Tom said:Hera is one of the best characters in the Star Wars universe full stop.
100% agreed.
On 5.11.2017 at 6:07 PM, RufusDaMan said:*Vult Skerris
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Interceptor and Defender Pilot
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Comes in Imperial Aces 2. Defender and Interceptor.
A boy can dream
You just want Palpatine to be more useful again
16 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:So what is the Wolf?
Force Sensitive.
12 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:Jyn had no family left, Cassian no friends outside of a ragtag group of allies of convience and a sassy droid, chirrut and baze had no home, poor bohdi had nothing.
Sabine could still go fight for manadalore, which was never a thing on the OT, zeb could retire to his secret nebula and raise a family, also not mentioned.
The other two it’s not so certain, but hey, moff tarkin was half crazy anyway, he thought blowing up a planet would break Leias resolve and betray her allies and then thought he couldn’t torture the info out of her and wanted to kill her.
He also thought a bunch of X-wings couldn’t destroy the station, and while he was partly right, his improper planning cost him his life because all the Jedi and force users who hated the empire weren’t as dead as he thought. so his whole quote about Vader being the last is absurd, because we know tarkins wrong as soon as he says it because we know obi-wans alive at the time of him saying it.
Shadows of the empire was canon for a long time and we never saw Dash or the outrider at Hoth in ESB so anything’s possible. (Even though Death is the simple solution it doesn’t have to be the only solution.)
The galaxy is a freaking big space. There is a trillion people alone on coruscant. For all we know there could be still some jedi HIDING in the undercity and half the inquisition busy with keeping everything down there and Yoda just couldn't sense them because of them hiding at close to one of the dark sides vergence, just like Yoda was hiding on a light-side vergence, masking his presence under all the background noise.
Tarkin might be mostly right, Tarkin might be wrong. It really doesn't matter. And the family soap opera style of star wars does not really apply to different family branches, so Ezra and Luke don't have to meet in the OT, just because they both exist. Even the rebellion consists of millions of people, Mon Mothma made it very clear they they are needed basically everywhere and can't be everywhere with all their forces.
Anyway. Back to X-Wing. Remove all 3s and make that thing more expensive and we have a deal. It basically an attack chopper, so the slow turns are cool, the missiles are cool, the crew is cool, 3 attack dice is ... most likely to much for what they really have, but still cool from a design perspective. But you don't get 3 attack dice for 19 points, you just don't …
With that thing is more like 26 points or it has just two reds. And it should have less hull as well, 3 sounds right for the point costs you have right now. ;-)
The gunship would be interesting, but agree that it needs to be carefully designed to be different to the multitude of both shuttles and light ordnance carriers the Imperials already have.
- I can't think of any reason to justify reinforce. We've no indication it has shields at all.
- An extended aux arc might be nice, but is largely irrelevant with only a 1-2 die primary.
- Reverse moves might be good.
- Slow greens and whites are fine, but only at a cost of red fast moves.
14 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:The gunship would be interesting, but agree that it needs to be carefully designed to be different to the multitude of both shuttles and light ordnance carriers the Imperials already have.
- I can't think of any reason to justify reinforce. We've no indication it has shields at all.
- An extended aux arc might be nice, but is largely irrelevant with only a 1-2 die primary.
- Reverse moves might be good.
- Slow greens and whites are fine, but only at a cost of red fast moves.
Personally I don't see a point of having fast moves at all with this thing. Slow, reserve, lots of slow turns, all good. This thing literally seems to turn on a dime, but it doesn't go fast at all.
10 hours ago, JJFDVORAK said:The Empire doesn't have a cheap cannon carrier.
If this is not cheap enough...
FFG can release later the TIE Hunter...
2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:You just want Palpatine to be more useful again
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Well, sue me
10 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:Well, sue me
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Focus on the TIE Reaper. That one at least looks cool (and can bring a more agile shuttle to the table).
If we are going to get a shuttle, can we at least get the Sentinel shuttle first? It would allow for Rebels characters to appear as crew and is one of the last OT film ships to not be in the game.
The episodes were good, especially the World Devestator callout but I'm a little disappointed we aren't getting the incom facility raid, since I think next episode they will be doing battle, and we know X-wings show up at lothal.
1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:The gunship would be interesting, but agree that it needs to be carefully designed to be different to the multitude of both shuttles and light ordnance carriers the Imperials already have.
- I can't think of any reason to justify reinforce. We've no indication it has shields at all.
- An extended aux arc might be nice, but is largely irrelevant with only a 1-2 die primary.
- Reverse moves might be good.
- Slow greens and whites are fine, but only at a cost of red fast moves.
Maybe a flyer for Legion. It doesn’t seem to fit in a dogfighting game.
23 minutes ago, Odanan said:Focus on the TIE Reaper. That one at least looks cool (and can bring a more agile shuttle to the table).
I like the reaper. I want a fast and mobile large base, like Dash or the Jumpmaster, and is a capable combat craft, not just a troop carrier.
maybe like this
Edit: Just imagine Good Old RAC in this baby
Edited by RufusDaManRAC
Back to Star Wars Rebels, a thought just occured to me: what if the Tie Defender cannot actually be mass produced on Lothal?
Here is my theory: while prototypes are being produced on Lothal, mass producing them is just not possible due to a lack of specific ressources. Instead of taking the loss for what it is, Thrawn has been purposely letting the Rebels get glimpses on how dangerous a mass produced Tie Defender would be. Meanwhile, the Empire strip mines the planet (minerals for the Death Star), making it appear as though mass production has already begun. End result: the Rebels attack Lothal, exactly as Thrawn had planned since last season.
It would make every "blunder" that Thrawn seemed to have made over the past fall into place of a grander plan; to use Lothal and its connection to Pheonix squadron to draw out the Rebel fleet before it is ready into a trap. It's probably not the case, but it would be fun if it were.
16 minutes ago, dotswarlock said:Back to Star Wars Rebels, a thought just occured to me: what if the Tie Defender cannot actually be mass produced on Lothal?
Here is my theory: while prototypes are being produced on Lothal, mass producing them is just not possible due to a lack of specific ressources. Instead of taking the loss for what it is, Thrawn has been purposely letting the Rebels get glimpses on how dangerous a mass produced Tie Defender would be. Meanwhile, the Empire strip mines the planet (minerals for the Death Star), making it appear as though mass production has already begun. End result: the Rebels attack Lothal, exactly as Thrawn had planned since last season.
It would make every "blunder" that Thrawn seemed to have made over the past fall into place of a grander plan; to use Lothal and its connection to Pheonix squadron to draw out the Rebel fleet before it is ready into a trap. It's probably not the case, but it would be fun if it were.
And the removal of all imperial forces from the planet is also something to look out for.
And this is why
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song is the best possible choice for Thrawn
1 hour ago, RufusDaMan said:Well, sue me
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No way, I love my Palpatine on the table.
Regarding the Imperial gunship topic, I think it is a cool ship but it would have to be really flimsly, like TIE fighter flimsy. an extremly cheap support ship would be interesting. Also, I still think Reinforce on anything that isn't a huge ship is nonsensical, but I guess that precedant is set now.
4 hours ago, Odanan said:If this is not cheap enough...
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FFG can release later the TIE Hunter...
| Nu Squadron Pilot — Alpha-class Star Wing | 18 |
| Heavy Laser Cannon | 7 |
| Linked Battery | 2 |
| XG-1 Assault Configuration | 1 |
| Ship Total: 28 | |
| Nu Squadron Pilot — Alpha-class Star Wing | 18 |
| Heavy Laser Cannon | 7 |
| Linked Battery | 2 |
| XG-1 Assault Configuration | 1 |
| Ship Total: 28 | |
| Kylo Ren (TIE Silencer) — TIE Silencer | 35 |
| Push the Limit | 3 |
| Fire-Control System | 2 |
| Primed Thrusters | 1 |
| First Order Vanguard | 2 |
| Ship Total: 43 | |
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Total: 99
I'd say for the stats, Nu with HLC is very cheap for what it is. You can even fit the highest price Silencer in there. |
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2 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:I like the reaper. I want a fast and mobile large base, like Dash or the Jumpmaster, and is a capable combat craft, not just a troop carrier.
maybe like this
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Edit: Just imagine Good Old RAC in this baby
Just now, Celestial Lizards said:
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What's the dial like?
I don't think it should have a 180 arc, and I don't think the system slot is warranted on this ship. Besides, it's yet another 1 agi, 2 crew shuttles, of which we have 2, and they don't see much use.
18 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:Jyn had no family left, Cassian no friends outside of a ragtag group of allies of convience and a sassy droid, chirrut and baze had no home, poor bohdi had nothing.
Sabine could still go fight for manadalore, which was never a thing on the OT, zeb could retire to his secret nebula and raise a family, also not mentioned.
The other two it’s not so certain, but hey, moff tarkin was half crazy anyway, he thought blowing up a planet would break Leias resolve and betray her allies and then thought he couldn’t torture the info out of her and wanted to kill her.
He also thought a bunch of X-wings couldn’t destroy the station, and while he was partly right, his improper planning cost him his life because all the Jedi and force users who hated the empire weren’t as dead as he thought. so his whole quote about Vader being the last is absurd, because we know tarkins wrong as soon as he says it because we know obi-wans alive at the time of him saying it.
Shadows of the empire was canon for a long time and we never saw Dash or the outrider at Hoth in ESB so anything’s possible. (Even though Death is the simple solution it doesn’t have to be the only solution.)
Tarkin was ruthless and arrogant, not crazy. He had no issue executing rebels or consigning a planet that heavily supported rebels to destruction. Heck, his rise to power in Legends came from landing his ship on a bunch of protesters because they were keeping him from collecting taxes. And from RO we know that the weakness of the Death Star was something not easily found and only the plans AND Galen's clues. The Empire saw the Rebel's tactics during Yavin, some gearheads did a bit of calculations as to what would happen if a warhead went down that shaft, and found the weakness. Tarkin was presented with all this information for the first time after being led to believe that the station was invincible and then asked if he wanted to evacuate right as the station was about to fire on Rebel HQ. It was his arrogance that kept him on the station, something that most high ranking military would do regardless.
Saying that WE know that Obi-Wan is alive means nothing. He literally came out of a 20 year hermitage within the last day. Tarkin knew Obi-Wan and knew his personality. He knew that Kenobi had already come back from a reported death once to face Vader because he couldn't stand by and let the Empire live. He likely assumed that if Kenobi was alive, he'd have started fighting with the Rebels and couldn't stand just sitting on his haunches for two decades.
You're right that Kanan and Ezra don't have to die, but they have to be pretty far off the Empire's radar in order to not make Tarkin actually crazy. That definitely means no lightsabers ignited for a long period of time. And that of course begs the question of why those lightsabers aren't being used when the Rebellion needs them the most.
18 hours ago, mithril2098 said:i suspect we might see Kanan sacrifice himself, for a greater good. but i suspect that Ezra and Sabine will end up wrapped up in mandalorian matters, and thus safely offscreen from the OT.. and Ezra is not a jedi. he barely even a padawan. he has force training, but even kanan has fallen from the Jedi ideals, and Ezra has consistently questioned those ideals, even the ones he actually kinda understood. i suspect that the loss of Lothal will drive him to abandon his connection to the Jedi. and he's been disallusioned with mon Mothma's "wait and see" political approach, so him going to help Sabine with the mandalorian's rebellion, which is separate from Mon Mothma's rebel alliance, actually seems in character for him. with no more Jedi ties beyond a bit of training by a former padawan, he can safely be discounted from jedi narratives.with kanan and Ezra out of the picture before Luke arrives, the rest aren't a big issue to continuity. Hera, Chopper, and Zeb can stay with the Rebel Alliance without interfering with anything in the OT. (though i suspect that they would be part of a different cell than the one that set up base on Hoth.)
What if Ezra's death is what drove Kanan to make that sacrifice? He likely wouldn't give his life when he believes that the last of the Jedi Order would die with him and leave his apprentice with no training. What if Ezra faced Rukh believing that his skills were more than enough to beat a non Force user only to find out that Noghri assassin skills cut straight through the strongest plot armor? Losing a good friend and protege drives Kanan to resolve to stop Thrawn's plans then and there resulting in a Rogue One-like calmly facing a huge explosion about to engulf him.
6 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:
Force Sensitive.
The galaxy is a freaking big space. There is a trillion people alone on coruscant. For all we know there could be still some jedi HIDING in the undercity and half the inquisition busy with keeping everything down there and Yoda just couldn't sense them because of them hiding at close to one of the dark sides vergence, just like Yoda was hiding on a light-side vergence, masking his presence under all the background noise.
Tarkin might be mostly right, Tarkin might be wrong. It really doesn't matter. And the family soap opera style of star wars does not really apply to different family branches, so Ezra and Luke don't have to meet in the OT, just because they both exist. Even the rebellion consists of millions of people, Mon Mothma made it very clear they they are needed basically everywhere and can't be everywhere with all their forces.
Key word there is hiding. Half the stormtrooper corps likely knows that there's a couple of guys with lightsabers in and around the Lothal system slicing their buddies up. Even if they just left the Rebellion and hung up their lightsabers to go into hiding, the Empire (and Tarkin) wouldn't consider them to be dead. This is what makes Tarkin's quote so important. He's sat across from Kanan and had a conversation with him. He's certainly followed Ezra's exploits. The going into hiding tactic worked in RotS because the Empire had just been born and there was a lot of work to be done to birth it from the carcass of the Old Republic. Tarkin saw Kanan get yanked off of his flotilla of Star Destroyers on the way to Mustafar, he knows what odds a Jedi can overcome in order to survive. There's really no good way to explain why a galactic organization that is now focusing on eradicating a rebellion against it would just write off two of the most hard to kill members of that group easily.
As for the Rebellion, the galaxy-wide thing might work for some Joe Schmo operative, but we're talking about people with laser swords that can lift stuff with a wave of their hand. Seeing that there's now another person that can do the same thing, Mon Mothma and the high command would be stupid not to put 2+2 together and figure out that 3 working together would be awesome. Instead, we have Luke just hanging around on Hoth with his buddies.
Having seen the Patrol Transport operate in deep space, I would be okay with them in the game. They could easily come with some relevant imperial crew upgrades - though given the ship has only been shown in space clearly this season (and wasn't forced out before so there's no corporate push) it might be a while before it shows. I like the TIE Reaper but we might need more intel.
Based on it's design, the Patrol should be kind of a pocket shuttle, a bit like TIE shuttle but keeping it's one missile slot, maybe only the singular crew slot (even with a troop bay, you rarely see more than one important imperial dude standing on it). It should have the 180 arc if only so imperials get that function, and you might arrange some shenanigans that way, like a unique pilot who fires missiles out of the aux arc. It can forego the rear arc just like the Lambda does. It would basically be like the HWK or Sheathipede or whatever, small, cheap, support focused, hopefully some maneuverability.
On the other hand, if Tarkin doesn't consider these force users Jedi, then it still makes his quote fit. Tarkin could be referring to the ancient order of the Jedi. Kanan was not ascended by the order and his apprentice is unsanctioned. Both of them are rogues. Lord Vader by contrast was knighted, just not on the council. *Shrug*
We're splitting hairs trying to divine the fate of some characters. I'd bet Kanan doesn't live to the end of the series, but Ezra remains on Lothal or hangs with Sabine on mandalore away from the war. The crew will part but I don't think it means nearly everyone will die.
I am looking forward to more of captain syndullas exploits in the rebellion. It's awesome to see a new character become this interesting in a period long locked down by the Legends EU.
Edited by Norsehound13 hours ago, Major Tom said:Hera is one of the best characters in the Star Wars universe full stop.
I've run a scan of this post for lies, and I'm happy to report none were detected.
17 hours ago, Aaron Foss said:FINALLY!
I mean, sure - teasing it just one more time was kinda funny, but when Kanan started stumbling over his words, Hera just made the move and kissed him. Then she gives him a "May the force be with you" and takes off... taking care to murder an entire hangar bay full of Imperial pilots and flight crew when she makes her hyperspace jump.
Space mom is absolutely the best character on the show.
Yeah, the jump through the hanger bay was so completely unnecessary. They saw it in TFAs and had to put it in the show somehow.
I haven't really seen it mentioned, but Ezra essentially let the lizard captain die. Seems like another foreshadowing of darker things to come for him.
Edited by Jo JoEzra's had some pretty dark places in the past - though in late 3 and throughout 4 he's been pretty well grounded. Start of S3 Ezra would have pushed that little ****er into the mouth. I think letting your enemy destroy himself is okay in the Jedi playbook though.