Season 4:

Would love to see Cassian Andor; K-2S0, Krenec, Bail Organa, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka Tano, Yoda, Pao, Bista , Raddus, and more bounty hunters!

5 hours ago, eMeM said:

Medicore-to-decent ending of an underwhelming season.

What the writers of Rebels do to capital ships and space combat is a crime against humanity.

Will elaborate tomorrow when I get to my PC.

I actually enjoyed the episode a lot, but I have to strongly agree that what the Rebels writers do to capital ships and space combat, is massively frustrating.

Everything blows up in seconds, nothing shoots beyond point blank range, and, most annoying for me, ships don't shoot much at all. I guess it's due to animation issues, but it seems stupid to see a Star Destroyer engaged with multiple ships, but not actually firing any weapons.

The bombardment scene reinforces this, actually. It shows that ships CAN fire weapons rapidly, accurately, and over a long distance.

I will give the finale credit where it is due, I did not fully see Bendu just attacking everyone indiscriminately. That was pretty cool.

I'm just miffed that we are not likely to get any meaningful followup to the implied history Sato and Thrawn have now.

5 hours ago, eMeM said:

Medicore-to-decent ending of an underwhelming season.

What the writers of Rebels do to capital ships and space combat is a crime against humanity.

Will elaborate tomorrow when I get to my PC.

I liked it:

They killed Doofenstine, Thrawn thrawned adequately, Kallus survived so we'll get to see him develop as he learns how to rebel properly, the Empire actually won for once, the Defender Factory is in tact, hopefully pumping out Defenders for use across the galaxy, and the Bendu said defeat not death, so who knows? Maybe Thrawn will end up being Snoke?

... he won't be Snoke. Pretty sure.

I was just joking oh please don't let him be Snoke.

Just now, OneKelvin said:

I liked it:

They killed Doofenstine, Thrawn thrawned adequately, Kallus survived so we'll get to see him develop as he learns how to rebel properly, the Empire actually won for once, the Defender Factory is in tact, hopefully pumping out Defenders for use across the galaxy, and the Bendu said defeat not death, so who knows? Maybe Thrawn will end up being Snoke?

... he won't be Snoke. Pretty sure.

I was just joking oh please don't let him be Snoke.

Snoke thus far is implied to be something from either outside the galaxy or from deep in the uncharted parts of space.

So no.

Here's my season 4 hopes and predictions.

1) More Rogue One material. For the Empire I want to see the Imperials upgrade their AT-DP's to AT-ST's and the AT-AT's they currently use to the ESB models as well as AT-ACT's. I want to see the Empire employ Occupier Combat Assault Tanks and I hope the show's ISD's get a whiter paint job.

For the Rebels I think we'll see X-Wings and U-Wings and most certainly Admiral Raddus. I hope we get to see Ackbar and Raddus on screen together and see them interact and maybe even clash in their tactics. If Raddus is Patton then make Ackbar General Montgomery and get some conflict between them. The more internal conflict within the rebellion like we see in Rogue One the better.

2) The Underworld. I hope next season gets down and dirty with the scum of the universe and I hope that the Empire along with new Inquisitors dispatches bounty hunters after remaining rebels. Give us old man Cad Bane and Boba Fett who has entered his prime as a total terminator like killing machine.

3) Admiral Sloane. She has proven a crucial part of the new canon and unless the story group has plans for her to appear in one of the spinoff movies I think she should pop up in rebels.

4) Lets keep far far far away from the Lothal sector. The Galaxy is absolutely MASSIVE. Lets explore other areas now.

Just now, Wilhelm Screamer said:

Snoke thus far is implied to be something from either outside the galaxy or from deep in the uncharted parts of space.

So no.

Well, if good old imperial firepower can "vanishise" Bendus, then I'm sure it can take care of horrors from beyond the stars.

31 minutes ago, FlyingToaster said:

I actually enjoyed the episode a lot, but I have to strongly agree that what the Rebels writers do to capital ships and space combat, is massively frustrating.

Everything blows up in seconds, nothing shoots beyond point blank range, and, most annoying for me, ships don't shoot much at all. I guess it's due to animation issues, but it seems stupid to see a Star Destroyer engaged with multiple ships, but not actually firing any weapons.

The bombardment scene reinforces this, actually. It shows that ships CAN fire weapons rapidly, accurately, and over a long distance.

I chalk it up to budget constrains. Clone Wars had a significantly bigger budget so the battles looked more spectacular.

3 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Here's my season 4 hopes and predictions.

1) More Rogue One material. For the Empire I want to see the Imperials upgrade their AT-DP's to AT-ST's and the AT-AT's they currently use to the ESB models as well as AT-ACT's. I want to see the Empire employ Occupier Combat Assault Tanks and I hope the show's ISD's get a whiter paint job.

For the Rebels I think we'll see X-Wings and U-Wings and most certainly Admiral Raddus. I hope we get to see Ackbar and Raddus on screen together and see them interact and maybe even clash in their tactics. If Raddus is Patton then make Ackbar General Montgomery and get some conflict between them. The more internal conflict within the rebellion like we see in Rogue One the better.

2) The Underworld. I hope next season gets down and dirty with the scum of the universe and I hope that the Empire along with new Inquisitors dispatches bounty hunters after remaining rebels. Give us old man Cad Bane and Boba Fett who has entered his prime as a total terminator like killing machine.

3) Admiral Sloane. She has proven a crucial part of the new canon and unless the story group has plans for her to appear in one of the spinoff movies I think she should pop up in rebels.

4) Lets keep far far far away from the Lothal sector. The Galaxy is absolutely MASSIVE. Lets explore other areas now.

Sloane does have a personal history with Kanan so her showing up is under the "possible" category. It all boils down to if that story benefits the one they want to tell.

Lothal is here to stay for a while longer, it is tied to the type of story they want to resolve first.

14 hours ago, Ghost XV15 said:

Thrawn is shocked, shooting Bendu, but when they switch to Bendu it was like he was never there and everyone is confused and Bendu laughs

So Force beings appear to be basically immortal, I guess

It literally is the same when Obi-Wan chooses to ascend instead of keeping the duel on with Vader. Though Bendu might have been never actually a physical being in the first place.

11 hours ago, Crabbok said:

Good episode. A few REALLY cool scense... but overal it was a bit expected..

some interesting parts -

A) Bendu sees Thrawn's end - embraced by many arms? I guess a Borgullet or an Octopus kills Thrawn eventually.

B) Dodonna's fleet happened to have Dornean Gunships anyhow, so no backstory on them, they just exist

C) Sato is a BEAST!

D) The Rebels actually outsmarted Thrawn slightly, in that he didn't know the full size of the fleet at all.

E) Happy to see multiple Interdictors!

Something else that I liked was Kallus chuckling at Thrawn when he decided to lead the ground assault. Also, the smirk on his face when the Stormtroopers put him in the elevator was priceless. ?

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45 minutes ago, FlyingToaster said:

I actually enjoyed the episode a lot, but I have to strongly agree that what the Rebels writers do to capital ships and space combat, is massively frustrating.

Everything blows up in seconds, nothing shoots beyond point blank range, and, most annoying for me, ships don't shoot much at all. I guess it's due to animation issues, but it seems stupid to see a Star Destroyer engaged with multiple ships, but not actually firing any weapons.

The bombardment scene reinforces this, actually. It shows that ships CAN fire weapons rapidly, accurately, and over a long distance.

And with little to no effect. Take note that based on what we have seen, we would need to assume that heavy turbolasers have less firepower than modern artillery. This is a trend in recent star wars, as Rogue One had the same problem. Each and everyone of those shots missing the shield and hitting the area around it should have been more like this:

And it would have been a lot cooler for Kanan to hide from those blast-waves instead in some cave with the bugs instead of literally avoiding turbolaser hits, going in 2m away from him at best. Rebels really is horrible when dealing with scales.

I've said this other places, I feel like Rebels is very broad strokes, y'know?

They only have so much time and so much money to hit the points they want to hit and primarily they want to tell stories and show characters - not make tiny plastic spaceship nerds happy. If they can make us happy that's a bonus, but I think to the production crew its an acceptable loss because y'know, sure, the heavy turbolaser assault of 5 ISDs should have significantly altered that landscape, but that's like a 5 second establishing shot out and maybe some background stuff in the model when they already have all these other models to wreck and reskin (For instance, Thrawn would have needed an entirely new model/rig for his new costume, and technically I think Kallus with his disheveled hair is a new model) that from a production standpoint it's just not worth it. So they take some broad strokes stuff - The Defender has strong laser cannons and shields, they both show and tell this to you. The ISD bombardment was really bad, there was some smoke and the shield generator almost blew up... etc. And it's not like even a live action production where if they were shooting in a desert or something, they could get some effects guys to do some demo and actually make some craters to put in the establishing shot every single detail is stuff the animators have to do all in the same time, software, etc. So while I wish they had more detail, I completely understand when they can't do that.

Force Unleashed? More like Force Restrained am I right? heh heh... I'll show myself out

I think this is the new definition of Base Delta Zero. It is never mentioned as slagging a planet, just exterminating the population. Either way it looks like ol' Curt Saxton was off by a few dozen zeros albeit after the fact.

1 hour ago, Wilhelm Screamer said:

I will give the finale credit where it is due, I did not fully see Bendu just attacking everyone indiscriminately. That was pretty cool.

I'm just miffed that we are not likely to get any meaningful followup to the implied history Sato and Thrawn have now.

Actually we probably will with Iron squadron getting mixed up with Thrawn in some filler episode.

Fun Fact: This episode confirms that you can see other holographic projections while being projected holographically?

Does that mean if you're being projected in a room with holograms that in the image you see on your end has the holograms already present in the room?

5 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Fun Fact: This episode confirms that you can see other holographic projections while being projected holographically?

Does that mean if you're being projected in a room with holograms that in the image you see on your end has the holograms already present in the room?

Just makes spying on Imperial citizens that much easier.

38 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

I've said this other places, I feel like Rebels is very broad strokes, y'know?

They only have so much time and so much money to hit the points they want to hit and primarily they want to tell stories and show characters - not make tiny plastic spaceship nerds happy. If they can make us happy that's a bonus, but I think to the production crew its an acceptable loss because y'know, sure, the heavy turbolaser assault of 5 ISDs should have significantly altered that landscape, but that's like a 5 second establishing shot out and maybe some background stuff in the model when they already have all these other models to wreck and reskin (For instance, Thrawn would have needed an entirely new model/rig for his new costume, and technically I think Kallus with his disheveled hair is a new model) that from a production standpoint it's just not worth it. So they take some broad strokes stuff - The Defender has strong laser cannons and shields, they both show and tell this to you. The ISD bombardment was really bad, there was some smoke and the shield generator almost blew up... etc. And it's not like even a live action production where if they were shooting in a desert or something, they could get some effects guys to do some demo and actually make some craters to put in the establishing shot every single detail is stuff the animators have to do all in the same time, software, etc. So while I wish they had more detail, I completely understand when they can't do that.

Not really. It not about budget here. They explicitly chose to have Kannan evade the shots. That is deliberate choice which is not related to budget at all. He could have been just farer away and the establishing shot of the surroundings a little bit bigger in scale and that's it. We see scorched earth around the base anyway, removing a few structures and maybe showing us a few explosions from orbit would not have stretched the budget at all. It would just have established how powerful those guns are and how powerful the shield was. No extra budget needed. They choosed explicitly to have super-long range, but rather weak bombardment instead. DBZ operations seem implausible now, especially as we have with R1 and Rebels two strong cases against it, while TCW as well has no sign of weapons with the required firepower for DBZ either, not even close. The ESB asteroid vaporisation scene looks these days more of a fluke and the firepower of all star wars ships vastly reduced to early estimated and technical handbooks. (DC-15A rifle has for example a range of 100km and iirc mega or even gigajoules of energy transferred per shot)

Now for those ISDs launching about one TIE-Fighter per squadron they have on board, that might be really some budget constraints, note that I have not complained about that either, I may not like it, but I can see that broad stroke approach there.

I have to agree. You can do a lot even with a tight budget, its all in how creative you are with it. I ultimately think the people making the show suffer from the syndrome of assuming the audience already knows how powerful something is or that the war is really devastating without having to show it. They probably didnt think they need to demonstrate a ISD devastating the landscape because you should already assume that as a viewer. This of course is counter intuitive.

Honestly the only two things I hate about the finale is the second interdictor's destruction and the scene where Kanan is dodging turbo laser blasts. Those should be the most powerful guns on a ISD and they look like peashooters. For the record though I did really enjoy and love the finale.

Yeah, the second interdictor take out was lame, especially as they had sabine and could have just actually made it "cool" which placing some charges on the gravity domes and getting the **** out of there. Instead they blow it with with personal scale blasters and a few micro-rockets. It just silly that now everything can be blowing up with a DC15a or DL-44, even star destroyers. And it was a missed opportunity as Sabine Wren is the Queen of explosives anyway, just grabbing explosives and placing it on critical points on the dome would have been so much cooler imho.

The basic idea to send infantry to the hull was even a cool one imho and Pryce not reacting correctly to the situation was fitting too, but why blasters?

I'm pretty sure the technical handbooks were always a bit over-inflated.