12 minutes ago, xanderf said:

FWIW, and I wish this was something the movie did spell out better, but it was answered by one of the writers/producers at some point along the way...

The Falcon didn't get from the Hoth-system asteroid field to Bespin 'in a few days', nor was Luke trained by Yoda 'in a few days'. That scene transition covers a jump of (IIRC) 6 months.

(Still, realistically, not enough time for either to happen - but at least someone, somewhere, was thinking about it at all. They just didn't show it on-screen very well.)

Yeah, the Falcon limps to Bespin without a hyperdrive. There's no way they got there as quickly as the movie makes it seem.

14 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:

I woudln't know, I've only seen him in Rebel's Recon/The Star Wars show.

He's been mean on twitter plenty of times to people that promote or ask for legends.

3 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

Yeah, the Falcon limps to Bespin without a hyperdrive. There's no way they got there as quickly as the movie makes it seem.

I thought the hyper drive worked but worked poorly. Maybe a month to get to Bespin.

11 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

He's been mean on twitter plenty of times to people that promote or ask for legends.

Keep in mind the man is bombarded 24/7 by hundreds of people who all have very strong opinions on how THEY want Star Wars to be like. I follow him and people will tweet Pablo Hidalgo pictures with practically essays written in them to get around the twitter character limit.

He is in sort've a thankless job. Look I love Star Wars and most fans i've interacted with have been pleasant but they tend to have strong opinions and imagine the vitriol some have directed at you on a constant basis? Yeah he's going to be brusque.

There's a reason he posts so much Transformers stuff now and its because he's trying to keep his feed positive.

6 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

He's been mean on twitter plenty of times to people that promote or ask for legends.

Mean? Did he call people names? Did he insult their ideas? Do you have proof of these things?

Or did he just answer curtly and move on like a busy executive addressing someone shouting loudly at him and their feelings got hurt that he didn't act like their best friend?

I haven't heard of him being mean yet.

According to the old RPGs, the Falcon had a backup hyperdrive. It was incredibly slow and absolutely no use for escaping from the Empire but it was enough to get them from Anoat to Bespin without dying of old age along the way.

I agree that the middle-section of ESB is meant to show a significant (albeit undefined) portion of time. When Luke is about to leave, Yoda says "Remember your failure at the cave" to which Luke responds "But I've learned so much since then" . Luke's reply would make no sense if it had only been a matter of days. Clearly a decent enough interval has passed for Luke to consider it as no longer applicable.

Another thing is, in RTOJ Luke is pretty skilled, which I think might be an indication of more training than what we saw on-screen. Also he dueled Vader and didn't die.

7 minutes ago, ViscerothSWG said:

Mean? Did he call people names? Did he insult their ideas? Do you have proof of these things?

Or did he just answer curtly and move on like a busy executive addressing someone shouting loudly at him and their feelings got hurt that he didn't act like their best friend?

I haven't heard of him being mean yet.

I'm not one to save pictures of tweets from two years ago. Multiple times I saw people on twitter ask him a question and be berated about it. Telling people to suck it up and get over it.

Which still seems odd considering how much he did to promote the EU originally. He seemed to want to have nothing to do with it anymore.

2 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:

Another thing is, in RTOJ Luke is pretty skilled, which I think might be an indication of more training than what we saw on-screen. Also he dueled Vader and didn't die.

Vader was trying to capture Luke, not kill him. If anything, the battle with Luke kind of unfolded this way for me:

First confrontation : Vader attacks almost attacks casually, giving Luke time to get back up, chatting, etc. He seems almost dissapointed when he almost captures him right away. He gets pushed off, but that almost felt as though he was allowing himself to fall to give Luke the impression that giving in to his hatred was the only way to win.

Second confrontation: Vader is almost in a cat and mouse mode, throwing stuff around without any effort, as if to show a glimpse of what the dark side can do.

Third confrontation: That's the one where Vader means business, as if to say ok, so maybe turning you to the dark side will take a bit more work, so I might as well get it over with.

While the end scene in Rogue One felt a bit like fan service, I will say this: it at least highlighted what Vader was truly capable of. To me, that showed that he had the skills to lead the Jedi purge and was a real threat when he meant business.

9 minutes ago, Sir Orrin said:

Another thing is, in RTOJ Luke is pretty skilled, which I think might be an indication of more training than what we saw on-screen. Also he dueled Vader and didn't die.

Vader also has no intention of killing him, but Luke definitely knows more than we see. He builds a new lightsaber after all.

13 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

According to the old RPGs, the Falcon had a backup hyperdrive. It was incredibly slow and absolutely no use for escaping from the Empire but it was enough to get them from Anoat to Bespin without dying of old age along the way.

I agree that the middle-section of ESB is meant to show a significant (albeit undefined) portion of time. When Luke is about to leave, Yoda says "Remember your failure at the cave" to which Luke responds "But I've learned so much since then" . Luke's reply would make no sense if it had only been a matter of days. Clearly a decent enough interval has passed for Luke to consider it as no longer applicable.

Excellent point about the cave!

Yeah, maybe the fight with Vader is bad example, I think Luke being very skilled (and building his own lightsaber as LunarSol pointed out) is a good indication of his level of training.

2 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

Which still seems odd considering how much he did to promote the EU originally. He seemed to want to have nothing to do with it anymore.

What good is there on dwelling on the EU? Do you think he has the ability to tell Disney to bring it back? There are times when its best to grieve and move on and times when you have to push people to do the same.

Just now, Sir Orrin said:

Another thing is, in RTOJ Luke is pretty skilled, which I think might be an indication of more training than what we saw on-screen. Also he dueled Vader and didn't die.

There is also training vs practising. In "Shadows of the Empire" (non-Canon, I know ) Luke spends a while on Tatooine practising new skills while also building his new lightsaber. Once you know a particular skill, it is possible to improve through repetition without having to be actively taught.

Another impression I get is that Jedi training in the Old Republic was deliberately done slowly. There was a lot more to being a Jedi than just fighting. Mediating disputes, enforcing laws, keeping the peace etc require a whole lot of skills and many problems cannot be resolved with a lightsaber. Plus each Jedi was responsible for upholding the Order's reputation for impartial fairness (whether the reputation was deserved or not is probably down to fluff interpretation). Luke's training on Degobah was very practical in nature. He was taught "that which he needed" to deal with what Vader and Sidious. Obi-wan and Yoda clearly saw them individually (rather than the Empire as a whole) as crucial (" Stopped, they must be! On this, all depends .").

The big question is whether Obi-wan and Yoda were bluffing Luke and knew what would (hopefully) happen in the Emperor's throne room. Or did they believe what they were telling Luke and fail to see what the real path to destroying the Sith was? Did Luke's final confrontation with Vader go exactly as they had forseen or did the Force move in mysterious ways to perform its wonders?

Personally I like the idea that the Jedi had it wrong in trying to repress their emotions (with the obvious problems it created). Luke represented a potential new type of Jedi who could balance his emotions without being consumed by them rather than having to suppress them. Of course TFA may somewhat undermine that picture, depending on what we learn about Ben's fall.

7 minutes ago, LunarSol said:

What good is there on dwelling on the EU? Do you think he has the ability to tell Disney to bring it back? There are times when its best to grieve and move on and times when you have to push people to do the same.

Very true. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

5 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

There is also training vs practising. In "Shadows of the Empire" (non-Canon, I know ) Luke spends a while on Tatooine practising new skills while also building his new lightsaber.

That's actually expanding on a pretty famous deleted scene from RotJ where Luke appears to be finishing up the saber before giving it to Artoo.

3 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

Very true. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

I do not have the specifics to judge whether or not something was done the right way or the wrong way, but given how little it takes for someone to feel personally slighted on the internet, I'm guessing it was, at worst, not done the best way.

7 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

Very true. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Can't comment on the guy's twitter manners as I haven't seen his posts, but regarding what he's saying, you have to keep in mind he is a Disney employee. Regardless of what he personally thinks about it he has to support the official Disney stance, which about the EU is largely 'suck it up, get over it and give us your money'.

My own feeling about Luke is that by Return of the Jedi, he had amassed enough power to be on a level similar to a Jedi Knight, but that was about it: force jump, deflect blaster bolts, force pull, mind trick, good piloting, etc. It’s good, but not exceptional. All of those skills had also been mastered by all the Jedi knights before him and they all fell to Vader and the Emperor.

The only thing Luke had that others did not was that connection to Vader himself. Enough to make him hesitate or to remind him of the light side? Perhaps not enough to win, but enough to distract the Emperor and Vader long enough for the Rebels to destroy the Death Star (with them on board)? For example, had Luke not been aboard the Death Star and Palpatine not tried to make a point, I think the Death Star would have started firing its main laser right away instead of waiting for a dramatic moment.

To me, this is why Kenobi is almost dismissive of Ezra. He may very well know that if he or Yoda could not best the Sith in a straight out fight then their hopes would have to reside with someone who had an emotional connection with Vader.

13 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

Can't comment on the guy's twitter manners as I haven't seen his posts, but regarding what he's saying, you have to keep in mind he is a Disney employee. Regardless of what he personally thinks about it he has to support the official Disney stance, which about the EU is largely 'suck it up, get over it and give us your money'.

Disney owns the EU though. So why bash it?

38 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

I'm not one to save pictures of tweets from two years ago. Multiple times I saw people on twitter ask him a question and be berated about it. Telling people to suck it up and get over it.

Which still seems odd considering how much he did to promote the EU originally. He seemed to want to have nothing to do with it anymore.

He calls people out on their stupidity, which makes them but*hurt.

You aren't gonna get a nice answer after asking for a millionth time if Malachor in Rebels makes KotOR canon.

He also takes jabs at TFA from time to time.

I love the guy.

8 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

Disney owns the EU though. So why bash it?

He isn't bashing EU, he is bashing people who can get over the fact that

Just let it go, man.

1 hour ago, LunarSol said:

Yeah, the Falcon limps to Bespin without a hyperdrive. There's no way they got there as quickly as the movie makes it seem.

The Falcon hyperdrive is an incredibly fast 0'5 class.
With it, they could do 1k LY's in a few hours.
Without hyperdrive, those 1k LY's take, not several months, but several human lives.

So the unique explanation is the falcon did the travel with his secondary hyperdrive, probably a 12 class (typical secondary hyperdrive in a YT1300), so they do the travel 24 times slower (maybe in more than 24 hours but less than 72 and less than a human lifespan).

Luke must did a suboptimal route from Hoth to Bespin, but he have a class 2 hyperdrive, so he can spend several hours training with Yoda.

3 hours ago, Voitek said:

He killed general grevious, granted - with blaster not with his lightsaber, but grevious was a living creature inside an armour.

I included Greivous - that's why if you don't count the acklay and the mandos in TCW or the Clones in ROTS, Greivous and Maul are the only two living things he's ever killed (they are the only notable things anyway), and that's why I thought statistically he's as good with a blaster and a lightsaber.

2 minutes ago, aRandomBoardGamingDude said:

I included Greivous - that's why if you don't count the acklay and the mandos in TCW or the Clones in ROTS, Greivous and Maul are the only two living things he's ever killed (they are the only notable things anyway), and that's why I thought statistically he's as good with a blaster and a lightsaber.